Kabini 5350 a good option for basic usage?

[AtenRa]

Why dont you read what he posts instead of blindly trying to sell AMD at every single opportunity. I feel sorry for your own customers.

Yea, i would feel more sorry for those that will try to game with the G1820 iGPU graphics.

If he was going to buy the 750 from the start, i would had no problem recommending the Celeron + 750.
You on the other hand will never recommend an AMD even when the A6-7400K has been shown to be able to play the WOT at 1080p Low settings on the iGPU alone.

So spare me the melodramatic about feeling bad for my customers when im not trying to push the Intel CPUs in every scenario, especially when the alternative is better at the budget the customer has to spend.

 

[TheELF]

I am guessing you posted that video,if so thanks bud.:thumbsup: If it wouldn't bother you much,could you do the Maximum standard preset+4xAA settings and see how that runs?Would be awesome.

Coming up...
I only have the SD version though so I can't do the Maximum standard preset it's custom with everything maxed out except for textures,the game is way to big as it is...

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

If i could afford a $65 chip,i would certainly aim for the G3258 and the cheapest motherboard that could overclock it.

My wifes sudden interest in WOT,pretty much deciding to go Intel here for that alone now.

To reiterate -- Micro Center gives you a free Gigabyte motherboard when you buy one. So it really isn't a $65 chip. The A6-7400K is also a Black Edition / unlocked. Any FM2+ motherboard will overclock it.... Which isn't the case for the G3258 -- you have to be careful in motherboard selection for the G3258, many low end Intel motherboards don't support overclocking.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

Why dont you read what he posts instead of blindly trying to sell AMD at every single opportunity. I feel sorry for your own customers.

You are the least objective person on the entire internet. Give us all a break. If you're not on Intel's payroll, total missed opportunity on your part.

 

[skipsneeky2]

Coming up...
I only have the SD version though so I can't do the Maximum standard preset it's custom with everything maxed out except for textures,the game is way to big as it is...

I have the SD too,Textures i think just go to high with those settings which work fine.

All the extra eye candy with everything maximum can be distracting,lowers the fps dramatically and honestly i get cleaner shots where tall grass and other obvious crap can honestly hender my game play.

 

[skipsneeky2]

To reiterate -- Micro Center gives you a free Gigabyte motherboard when you buy one. So it really isn't a $65 chip. The A6-7400K is also a Black Edition / unlocked. Any FM2+ motherboard will overclock it.... Which isn't the case for the G3258 -- you have to be careful in motherboard selection for the G3258, many low end Intel motherboards don't support overclocking.

If i had a Microcenter here,i would look at something like a cheap cpu+free mobo in a second.

I miss Frys,i used to get some killer deals with their combos.Don't got anything remotely decent around here so online shopping only it is.

 

[TheELF]

Coming up...
I only have the SD version though so I can't do the Maximum standard preset it's custom with everything maxed out except for textures,the game is way to big as it is...

Done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRBDt6aPs54

 

[cbn]

My wife is wanting me to build her a tower that does Facebook/Netflix and Youtube.She does play Wizard 101 and that should certainly be fine for the 8400.

I found these parts...

AMD Athlon 5350

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113364&cm_re=5350-_-19-113-364-_-Product

Gigabyte GA-AM1M-S2H

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128696&cm_re=am1-_-13-128-696-_-Product


Budget does include a psu and these parts are in my price range.I will toss in one of my 4gb 1333 sticks momentarily till i can afford to get a 4gb 1600 stick later in the future.I have a extra hard drive as well she can use.

I got this older case that is like new,it only has a intake 80mm so i figured a quiet 25w 5350 build would be perfect assuming its up to the tasks at hand.

So anyone with experience with this know if this build seems good for her usage?Only other options in my price range appear to be older C2D towers.....

What operating system are you planning to use?

 

[skipsneeky2]

Done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRBDt6aPs54

Not that bad

I run with the Maximum preset as well,but i click on the standard instead of improved and leave it at that.It does shut off all the eye candy but it also dramatically improves the frames.

I emulated my i5 2500 to a dual core at 2.7ghz,tested out the HD2000 and it certainly plays Wizard 101 perfectly fine upwards of 1366x768 and WOT it appears to be bottleneckd by the cpu speed as gpu usage is anywhere from like 75%-90% and other times it will hit 98% but frames are sitting about 45-63 fps.This is everything on bare minimum low 1024x768.

Emulated chip may not be the real G1820 but the IPC increases from Sandy Bridge to Haswell certainly could make up for the extra cache of the i5 maybe perhaps?I know the G1820 has a better IGP then HD3000 so the experience certainly could be the same or just a bit better maybe?

Will toss back in my gtx660 and see where the frames land for that game with the same settings.Maybe Nvidia driver overhead or something would dramatically the experience?

 

[Sweepr]

Emulated chip may not be the real G1820 but the IPC increases from Sandy Bridge to Haswell certainly could make up for the extra cache of the i5 maybe perhaps?

I think so. It is equal/faster than Sandy Bridge (Pentium) at 3.0GHz.

I know the G1820 has a better IGP then HD3000 so the experience certainly could be the same or just a bit better maybe?

Should be faster than the HD 3000, Sandy Bridge is based on an old architecture (Gen 6). Expect >70% the graphics performance of HD 4000.

 

[Engineer]

A little off topic (sorry), but do you think a Athlon 5350 would make a better Pfsense router than Sempron 3850, Sempron 2650, or E1-2100?

P.S. To the OP, I do own a Athlon 5350 and it is decent enough for web browsing.

I would think that would depend on the speed of your connection and how many other packages (squid, snort, etc) that you run with it. The developers of pfsense have already stated that, in the future, quad core 2GHz with AES-NI may be the MINIMUM requirements. Also, it really depends on pricing and how fast you need it. If you can catch the combo like I listed for $34, it would be just hard to beat for the price / power point. If you're running an encrypted connection at 100Mbps, no doubt. If you're running 10Mbits with nothing else, I'm not sure it would matter much.

 

[dark zero]

Errr... cbn... even a potato runs faster than the trash named E1 2100 or the Celeron N3000. Even the VIA C3 is faster.

PS: I own a Sempron 2650 and is ideal only for Windows XP or Linux Mint

 

[MrTeal]

Yea, i would feel more sorry for those that will try to game with the G1820 iGPU graphics.

If he was going to buy the 750 from the start, i would had no problem recommending the Celeron + 750.
You on the other hand will never recommend an AMD even when the A6-7400K has been shown to be able to play the WOT at 1080p Low settings on the iGPU alone.

So spare me the melodramatic about feeling bad for my customers when im not trying to push the Intel CPUs in every scenario, especially when the alternative is better at the budget the customer has to spend.

Why do you discount the Intel + 750 Ti option now since he doesn't have a timeframe on buying a dGPU, but keep on harping on 1080p performance when his wife is gaming on 768p and he's talking about an upgrade to 900p some unspecified time in the future?

 

[escrow4]

You don't know how the banks works on the 3rd world, no?
Anand is not all geeks sit on their houses. Some people are from the 3rd world and know about that too.
Old tech is still useful.
If not, why the MoBo manufacturers are still using PS2/VGA ports?

BTW, I am not defending AMD because their CPU performance is a dissaster, however even Intel is NOT offering any option with more than 2 serial ports.
I was thinking on VIA, but it cost the insane amount of 500 dollars per motherboard and has all the requirements meeting (Windows XP support, Serial Ports and Serial Ports Expansions), and AMD doesn't officially support Windows XP (however it can be posible via generic ports).

Old tech is rubbish. Its not 1995. And on that 200K replacement? Shouldn't you have bought something with the future in mind repair-wise? XP is a dodo and PS2/VGA are barely useful anymore.

 

[AtenRa]

Why do you discount the Intel + 750 Ti option now since he doesn't have a timeframe on buying a dGPU,

Because his budget doesnt allow him to buy both today.

but keep on harping on 1080p performance when his wife is gaming on 768p and he's talking about an upgrade to 900p some unspecified time in the future?

I was only pointing out that the A6-7400K is able to play WOT at even 1080p today. So at 768/900p it can raise the Image Quality settings of the game way higher than what the Celeron iGPU can do.

And when he will get a new 900p monitor, he will not need to spend more for the GTX750 or other GPU since the A6-7400K will be more than enough for his wife needs.

People here putting too much emphasis on the CPU performance when the GPU performance is the main criterion for his wife needs. His wife doesnt need a 4GHz Skylake CPU IPC to browse the internet, but she does need more GPU performance to play those two games. You can go along if your browser lags for half a second, but if your game performance is sub-par, the experience is awful and you cant enjoy the game
So from my point of view, the A6-7400K is the best option for the low budget he has.

 

[monstercameron]

Because his budget doesnt allow him to buy both today.



I was only pointing out that the A6-7400K is able to play WOT at even 1080p today. So at 768/900p it can raise the Image Quality settings of the game way higher than what the Celeron iGPU can do.

And when he will get a new 900p monitor, he will not need to spend more for the GTX750 or other GPU since the A6-7400K will be more than enough for his wife needs.

People here putting too much emphasis on the CPU performance when the GPU performance is the main criterion for his wife needs. His wife doesnt need a 4GHz Skylake CPU IPC to browse the internet, but she does need more GPU performance to play those two games. You can go along if your browser lags for half a second, but if your game performance is sub-par, the experience is awful and you cant enjoy the game
So from my point of view, the A6-7400K is the best option for the low budget he has.

I'm surprised you are still advocating...apparently Intel is better. /thread.

 

[skipsneeky2]

I am exploring other options as well,i may run a bit short on my budget of $130 for cpu+mobo+psu.Big maybe but will see what happens.May have to split the part purchases between 2 separate paychecks.Maybe buy the cpu first,then hold off on the motherboard and psu.

Options like the 7600k,the G3258 and the G4500 may be options as far as cpu goes.I am slapping one of my 4gb ddr3 1333mhz 1.5v kingston sticks in there.No overclocking will be done.

I doubt the G4500 would be a good choice,1.5v ddr3 obviously wouldn't work i don't think unless i went H110 and even 1.5v could damage the cpu?G3258 would be at home with the ram but with a lower end gpu.Damn certain the 7600k would be bottlenecked by 1333 but 2 sticks of higher priced fast ddr3 memory may be a purchase i would have to hold off a good while for.

 

[Shivansps]

As long is not AM1 you cant be wrong in what you buy. hell you could even get the A6-5400K cheaper than most AM1 options.

You have good options on 1150 and FM2, but at that budget you cant get anything more than a A4-7300 or Celeron G1840. If you can go higher i whould recomend to go for the A8-7600.

 

[Abwx]

Still can't see the point of AM1 when a Celeron would slaughter it real world. And I doubt there is a country on this planet that jacks up Celeron prices. They are always cheap. $50 or so would get you it.

In real world the Celeron is likely worse :

http://www.computerbase.de/2015-12/...m-multitasking-test-the-witcher-3-plus-winrar

You surely understand better why this happen :

I just swapped in a G1850 I had lying around and there is little difference between it and a i3 4170. Some Youtube 60FPS videos drop frames and hammer the CPU, otherwise it is sufficient. I would not drop lower than a Celeron (which is already dirt cheap anyway). I think I'll sell the i3 and see how this goes actually.

There s too much threads from different apps running concurently, when usage spikes occur the throughput decrease, wich increase even more the %age of CPU utilisation...

So much for your comparison, and you should had added that the Celeron has no AES acceleration, no AVX, no 4K and so on...

 

[coercitiv]

I am exploring other options as well,i may run a bit short on my budget of $130 for cpu+mobo+psu.Big maybe but will see what happens.May have to split the part purchases between 2 separate paychecks.Maybe buy the cpu first,then hold off on the motherboard and psu.

Using this thread you have managed to establish a performance baseline for your purchase, but you still need to find a way to spend your money efficiently. Avoid buying parts - especially separated by time intervals, buy combos, or better yet look for heavily discounted and/or refurbished systems. Someone in this thread already pointed towards a Dell system at $140 that ticked most of your needs. Similar deals can be found, you need only to look for them.

Aim for a discounted Haswell or AMD FM2 APU first, but as an AM1 owner I can also tell you the platform is still an option for you, however only if you find one at 2Ghz that is very attractively priced. (anything else just discard)

Also, any dollar you can spare and then redirect towards a (later) budget SSD purchase will be extremely welcome: it is my honest opinion your wife will have a better experience using the computer with a SSD and slower CPU rather than HDD and faster CPU.

 

[TheELF]

In real world the Celeron is likely worse :

http://www.computerbase.de/2015-12/...m-multitasking-test-the-witcher-3-plus-winrar

Lol you can get 60FPS in witcher 3 with the 2 core celeron?
And even 40Fps while hammering all the CPU cores with heavy compression work at the same time? That's pretty awesome!
Where is the 5350 in those benches,I'm in the mood for a laugh.

You surely understand better why this happen :

There s too much threads from different apps running concurently, when usage spikes occur the throughput decrease, wich increase even more the %age of CPU utilisation...

No you just have to activate hardware acceleration on the gt1,the CPU alone is not enough for HTML5 1080/60.

So much for your comparison, and you should had added that the Celeron has no AES acceleration, no AVX, no 4K and so on...

AES and AVX are pretty useless unless you are paranoid and cryptography everything and AVX I still never saw used.

Every haswell has 4k support, full playback of H264@25FPS on the celeron but you will need a motherboard with appropriate output as well.

 

[skipsneeky2]

Decided i will be going the 5400k route.If i go Intel i know i would eventually be dropping in a i3 and something pretty much like a gt740 anyways so with the 5400k set up i could easily just drop in a 7850k later on when one lands on sale or i could drop in a 860k and a gt740 still and save a bit of money and have a considerable decent low end gaming rig.

I think it would be fun playing around a good bit with the APU stuff,it fits a low power envelope and its something refreshing and new to tinker with.

From my understanding the 7850k does have comparable graphics to a gt740 doesn't it?I wouldn't mind some benchmarks of chips like the 5400k,the 7850k and the i3 4130 with their IGP if someone wouldn't mind

 

[escrow4]

In real world the Celeron is likely worse :

http://www.computerbase.de/2015-12/...m-multitasking-test-the-witcher-3-plus-winrar

You surely understand better why this happen :



There s too much threads from different apps running concurently, when usage spikes occur the throughput decrease, wich increase even more the %age of CPU utilisation...

So much for your comparison, and you should had added that the Celeron has no AES acceleration, no AVX, no 4K and so on...

There are few apps running. Foobar and Chrome with a few tabs. I tried Firefox and the drops disappeared. Its Chrome and its video decoder. Why would you expect AES and AVX for $40? 4K is supported depending on mobo. You are partially misinformed. Buying a throttling APU isn't a good idea.

 

[Shivansps]

Decided i will be going the 5400k route.If i go Intel i know i would eventually be dropping in a i3 and something pretty much like a gt740 anyways so with the 5400k set up i could easily just drop in a 7850k later on when one lands on sale or i could drop in a 860k and a gt740 still and save a bit of money and have a considerable decent low end gaming rig.

I think it would be fun playing around a good bit with the APU stuff,it fits a low power envelope and its something refreshing and new to tinker with.

From my understanding the 7850k does have comparable graphics to a gt740 doesn't it?I wouldn't mind some benchmarks of chips like the 5400k,the 7850k and the i3 4130 with their IGP if someone wouldn't mind

a A8-7600 with dual channel DDR3-1333 already perform better than a R7 240, i think the 7850K is exactly the same thing, no idea about the GT740, probably not.

 

[Abwx]

There are few apps running. Foobar and Chrome with a few tabs. I tried Firefox and the drops disappeared. Its Chrome and its video decoder. Why would you expect AES and AVX for $40? 4K is supported depending on mobo. You are partially misinformed. Buying a throttling APU isn't a good idea.

I wonder from where this fud come from..

Anyway so much for being misinformed, i have an Athlon 5350 and it doesnt throttle at all, not a single MHz, and i made extensive tests with Prime 95, Linpack and Luxmark CPU + GPU.

Consumption is barely 30W at full load measured at the wall..