Kabini 5350 a good option for basic usage?

[myocardia]

Also A8-7600 iGPU is faster than Intels HD530 by a good 30-50% depending on the game and Image Quality/resolution.

No, it isn't. They are more or less identical:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1473-page3.html

 

[AtenRa]

No, it isn't. They are more or less identical:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/files/images/intel-skylake/igp-perf6.gif

The link is broken but my testing and others disagree

 

[TheELF]

Because of quick synq acceleration but otherwise they have comparable throughput, although i m 100% sure that the Celeron wont deal as well with more than 3 threads, that s the big drawback of this CPU, not visible in the usual monotask benches (not even an antivirus + firewall activated) but is for sure felt by the users..

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/921-4/cpu-performances-applicatives-truecrypt.html

Winrar does not use quicksync and if they where using quicksync in mediaespresso then the celeron would have a much faster result.
~230FPS avg while converting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsTI-625Na0

3 threads is a joke for a celeron.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFPXTHm4Q1M

 

[skipsneeky2]

What PC Parts you going to use the $200 budget for ???

Also A8-7600 iGPU is faster than Intels HD530 by a good 30-50% depending on the game and Image Quality/resolution.

Looking for a cpu with the fastest IGP possible,one of the cheapest motherboards for it and pairing it with a CX430 or similar priced psu.Maybe overkill but a year or 2 down the road my 660 will end up in there.

Skylake G4500 at least from my Newegg and amazon price hunts would suck up the whole budget and i would have to most likely get one of the more expensive Asrock Combo H110 motherboards that supports both ddr3/ddr4 to get the most out of HD530 either way.Don't got funds this very second for memory to would be stuck pairing a 4gb ddr3 1333 1.5v stick to it till i could afford some ddr4 2133.

When i was sitting at about $130,the choice ended up obviously being the 5400k but other options certainly have showed up with $200 to spend.

 

[Sweepr]

I wouldn't say that Intel 530 is out of your budget if it's increased to $200. You could pick up a G4500+H110M motherboard+another 4GB of DDR3 for $135. That give plenty of extra for a power supply.

Agreed.

Looking for a cpu with the fastest IGP possible,one of the cheapest motherboards for it and pairing it with a CX430 or similar priced psu.Maybe overkill but a year or 2 down the road my 660 will end up in there.

You don't need anything faster than a HD 530 to play those games at the resolution you mentioned, even Celeron G1820 would do the trick and Skylake's iGPU is more than twice as fast. With Pentium G4500 or Core i3-6100 you're getting better CPU performance (overall) for other tasks, it also helps pushing that Geforce GTX660 or faster dGPUs you might use in the future (especially if you keep your current monitor).

 

[USER8000]

Right,I chucked together a quick build off Newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132408
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231666
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113371

It comes to around $210 including shipping and you get a $30 CPU cooler free,and there is potential for $30 of rebates too.

So basically you don't need to donate any RAM,and the system will also have 8GB of RAM too.

 

[USER8000]

Had another look on Newegg for an Intel based setup:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157483
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116974
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202163

It comes to around $230 but has $35 of rebates. Only issue is that you will be running the G1820 in single channel mode with only 4GB of 1333MHZ RAM,but then you get an R7 360.

There is this R7 265,but even after rebates it would be around $220:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127790

If you do get this GT740 GDDR5 it should be around $190 excluding any rebates:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127804

 

[Abwx]

3 threads is a joke for a celeron.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFPXTHm4Q1M

Rather a celeron being a joke for 3 threads...

http://www.computerbase.de/2015-10/...m-multitasking-test-winrar-plus-the-witcher-3

 

[Sweepr]

Rather a celeron being a joke for 3 threads...

http://www.computerbase.de/2015-10/...m-multitasking-test-winrar-plus-the-witcher-3

Yes, because running WinRAR while playing The Witcher 3 is a totally reasonable and common use case for low-budget Celeron users. Impressive how far you go to defend this Kabini crap when everydoby knows there are better Intel/AMD solutions for similar price.

 

[USER8000]

OP has a $200 budget now guys - keep up!

Looks like the OP has some reasonable options now,looking at those quick parts lists I did off Newegg. I suspect they might be able to do better if there are some deals at Amazon and Micro Center.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Yes, because running WinRAR while playing The Witcher 3 is a totally reasonable and common use case for low-budget Celeron users. Impressive how far you go to defend this Kabini crap when everydoby knows there are better Intel/AMD solutions for similar price.

Yea, I would like to see the benchmark for that Kabini running WinRAR and Witcher 3 simultaneously, or even one of the single module APUs. Personally, just seems absurd to me to run a heavy productivity app during a cpu demanding game no matter how powerful the processor. Its like running a stock car race with a thousand pounds of excess weight in the back seat.

But the AMD fans have to try to figure out some way to justify FX I guess.

 

[skipsneeky2]

Had another look on Newegg for an Intel based setup:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157483
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116974
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202163

It comes to around $230 but has $35 of rebates. Only issue is that you will be running the G1820 in single channel mode with only 4GB of 1333MHZ RAM,but then you get an R7 360.



If you do get this GT740 GDDR5 it should be around $190 excluding any rebates:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127804

That Intel build i nearly configured myself last night but i had added 8gb of DDR3 1333 instead of the gt740.Outside of the 7600 set up above,these were the 2 best options and the IGP of the 7600 had won me over.

I already ran my i5 2500 non k and 660 with a single stick of 4gb ram and CSGO/WOT/Wizard 101 and Borderlands 2 which are all titles i play currently ran perfectly fine.All titles ran well enough with 2 threads enabled as well at 2.6Ghz.All titles run under the 1gb vram usage as well with settings i use even on my 660.

Willing to bet a G1820 and gt740 would outrun the 7600 by a far bit.Beautiful digging bud.:thumbsup:

 

[USER8000]

That Intel build i nearly configured myself last night but i had added 8gb of DDR3 1333 instead of the gt740.Outside of the 7600 set up above,these were the 2 best options and the IGP of the 7600 had won me over.

I already ran my i5 2500 non k and 660 with a single stick of 4gb ram and CSGO/WOT/Wizard 101 and Borderlands 2 which are all titles i play currently ran perfectly fine.All titles ran well enough with 2 threads enabled as well at 2.6Ghz.All titles run under the 1gb vram usage as well with settings i use even on my 660.

Willing to bet a G1820 and gt740 would outrun the 7600 by a far bit.Beautiful digging bud.:thumbsup:

No problems,I am UK based so was not sure if there were cheaper websites in the USA - Newegg is well known. I also came to the same conclusion that the Celeron and a GT740 GDDR5 or even that R7 360(which is a tier above) would probably do better overall in games. I think the A8 7600 is probably better for a more general purpose build with some gaming on the side,and should do better at multi-tasking but that GT740 GDDR5 and the cheap R7 360 after rebate,kind of shook things up.

At least from my quick scan of gaming performance - the AMD A8 IGP should be able to outdo the GT730 and probably be close to the GT740 GDDR3. However,the GT740 GDDR5 should be faster and the R7 360 there is no contest.

 

[skipsneeky2]

TheELF

Thanks bud for posting your WOT videos showing the G1820 and gtx650.I knew about the 650 having had one some time ago but posting on what that G1820 can do certainly sets the build into motion now.

To many garbage videos on youtube,yours honestly ended up being the most useful i could find with all the hours of searching i did.The IGP videos made it look bad enough that others did and it was where in frustration the 7600 looked like the real option.


USER8000

Thanks for posting that configuration,its in my wishlist and hopefully when i order these parts in a few days everything there is available.

 

[Sweepr]

Willing to bet a G1820 and gt740 would outrun the 7600 by a far bit.Beautiful digging bud.:thumbsup:

65-70% faster according to this.

 

[skipsneeky2]

At least from my quick scan of gaming performance - the AMD A8 IGP should be able to outdo the GT730 and probably be close to the GT740 GDDR3. However,the GT740 GDDR5 should be faster and the R7 360 there is no contest.

I rather have a dedicated gpu over a IGP if the budget allows.I was under the impression that cards like the GDDR5 GT740 were well over $60 and certainly not a option with the little i have to spend.Checking of course your mostly getting DDR3 based GT 740 cards till you hit $90.I wont buy refurbished stuff.

Luckily enough that MSI GT 740 1GB is the only affordable GDDR5 card.It would have been certainly a 7600 build and the one you actually posted above just about.

 

[USER8000]

The GT740 GDDR5 is a rebadged GTX650 GDDR5 FYI,and TheELF used a GTX650 2GB GDDR5 so you already have a good idea of playability with WoT. I think WoT does use around 1GB of VRAM at 1080p at VHQ,but you can always turn down one or two texture settings.

Also,that MSI GT740 GDDR5 is a bit hidden for some reason,but its pretty cheap for what you are getting.

 

[skipsneeky2]

65-70% faster according to this.

Yeah i had recalled the big difference a GT 740 card would offer but i am surprised it really is that big. This is honestly my first low budget build since my E4500 combo deal at Frys back in 2007. I have found this stuff more interesting then even the higher end stuff as for $200 a i5 IS the only option.

$140 for a 7870k right now,even at full retail prices a G3258 and the GT 740 still could be had for nearly the same amount if you account for the cheaper memory prices for DDR3 1333/1600 over 2133 or 2400 for your APU.

I guess if someone really wants 4 threads and a decent IGP,the 7870k would work out better but with such a low end gpu chances are more times then not the IGP would be the bottleneck or the IGP is playing lower end games where a G1820+gt 740 would be better off for the price.The games pushing 4 threads honestly would run crappy enough on the IGP for me anyways.

 

[skipsneeky2]

The GT740 GDDR5 is a rebadged GTX650 GDDR5 FYI,and TheELF used a GTX650 2GB GDDR5 so you already have a good idea of playability with WoT. I think WoT does use around 1GB of VRAM at 1080p at VHQ,but you can always turn down one or two texture settings.

Also,that MSI GT740 GDDR5 is a bit hidden for some reason,but its pretty cheap for what you are getting.

Having had a 1gb 650 before,even games as demanding as BF4 and GTA V which i own and play only have playable frame rates with settings that use under 1gb anyways upwards of 1366x768.CSGO/COD BO2/WOT and other titles certainly use under 1gb and have huge playable framerates upwards of 1080p.

Wifes monitor and gaming resolution till she gets my 660 will be 1024x768.May end up with a 720p t.v sooner or later before that but the G1820 if anything would be the biggest issue.

 

[VirtualLarry]

If you do get this GT740 GDDR5 it should be around $190 excluding any rebates:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127804

Thanks for that link, I picked up a couple for builds. Seems around $20-30 cheaper than any other cards. Newegg had some others on their ebay site, for around the same price, but they were all factory refurbs. This was the only new one in that price range.

Edit: OT, I know, but how does the GT740 (==GTX650?) compare to a GTX460 1GB card? I guess the GTX460 would have more memory bandwidth.

 

[myocardia]

The link is broken but my testing and others disagree

The link is fixed now. BTW, Silent PC Review has at least 1,000x more credibility than you happen to have. Care to link to some of these "others", or are we talking about posters on other forums/these forums?

 

[AtenRa]

If you want a dGPU, go Athlon 860K + Mobo + R7 360 and use your own Memory.

Athlon 860K = $75
ASUS A68HM-K FM2+ = $40 or $30 AR
R7 360 = $100 or $85 AR
Corsair CX430 = $40 or $20 AR

Total = $255 or $210 AR

With the AR at $210 you get a unlocked Quad Core CPU + way better dGPU with higher DX-12 performance and support for FreeSync when you will get a new monitor.

 

[USER8000]

I did suggest the R7 360 and the R7 265 for $100,but I don't know whether the OP wants to spend more than $200 even if the rebates would knock it under $200.

 

[AtenRa]

The link is fixed now. BTW, Silent PC Review has at least 1,000x more credibility than you happen to have. Care to link to some of these "others", or are we talking about posters on other forums/these forums?

let see,

First off all the results are from the Core i7 6700K, the Pentium HD530 is 10-20% slower.

Secondly, they used DDR-4 2666MHz memory on the Core i7 and only 1866MHz on the A8-7600.

Thirdly, no driver version to be found anywhere. That is because they used the original February 2014 A8-7600 review results in the Core i7 6700K review posted on September 2015. That makes them 1000 times more credible than me

Also, those games are more than 5 years old (Crysis released 2007, Resident Evil 5 demo released on 2008 etc) with many of them being DX-9/10 which are more CPU bound than iGPU at 1600x900.

In newer games (DX-11/ Mantle and DX-12) that really need more iGPU performance, the Kaveri A8-7600 iGPU is 30-50% faster than HD530 found on the Core i3 6300 when both are using 2133MHz Memory.

 

[cbn]

If you want a dGPU, go Athlon 860K + Mobo + R7 360 and use your own Memory.

Athlon 860K = $75
ASUS A68HM-K FM2+ = $40 or $30 AR
R7 360 = $100 or $85 AR
Corsair CX430 = $40 or $20 AR

Total = $255 or $210 AR

With the AR at $210 you get a unlocked Quad Core CPU + way better dGPU with higher DX-12 performance and support for FreeSync when you will get a new monitor.

The Power Color R9 270 2GB is also on sale for $89.99 AR, free shipping:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2455804

P.S. R9 270 also works with CX430 (as it only needs one 6 pin PCIe).