Kabini 5350 a good option for basic usage?

[crashtech]

Well if OP would allow used stuff, that really opens up the possibilities.

 

[Magic Carpet]

So OP, what's your say? Are you going to treat your wife like the treasure she is?

 

[VirtualLarry]

So OP, what's your say? Are you going to treat your wife like the treasure she is?

Heck, I wouldn't even stick my Mom with a Kabini.

IB, at least!

Edit: What about a 1037U mini-ITX board? Those are around $60, and have pretty decent capabilities.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Funny, I was going to respond with a resounding NO. Don't get any AM1 CPU, they are painful. (Well, at least the 1.3Ghz quad Sempron 3850 is.)

Just joking Larry, no offense meant. I do enjoy your posts, although I would do things a lot differently than you. But each to his own.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Edit: What about a 1037U mini-ITX board? Those are around $60, and have pretty decent capabilities.

It doesn't seem to be much faster in ST than the original plan (AMD 5350), but heck a lot slower in MT. Skip it.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Just joking Larry, no offense meant. I do enjoy your posts, although I would do things a lot differently than you. But each to his own.

I didn't take any offense, don't worry. I know, low-end systems and me are a running theme. It's OK.

 

[escrow4]

Still can't see the point of AM1 when a Celeron would slaughter it real world. And I doubt there is a country on this planet that jacks up Celeron prices. They are always cheap. $50 or so would get you it.

 

[dark zero]

Still can't see the point of AM1 when a Celeron would slaughter it real world. And I doubt there is a country on this planet that jacks up Celeron prices. They are always cheap. $50 or so would get you it.

Err.. try to find a decent Mini ITX board. Is very hard to find a great one.
Also... It doesn't have any XP support (even Ivy can deliver that and AM1 cand eliver if you get the correct drivers) and to make it "better" all the boards who are Mini ITX doesn't support more than 2 serial ports.

 

[Shivansps]

There is a beta haswell XP driver... ive made tons of pc with haswell running XP...

 

[VirtualLarry]

There is a beta haswell XP driver... ive made tons of pc with haswell running XP...

Interesting, and a bit surprising to boot.

Are most of your clients SOHO, Small Biz, Corp, or Medical? I'm curious what market segment is still interested in XP. (Gov't?)

 

[jpiniero]

Android, Chrome etc is just as big as a turd with a slow CPU as Windows or IOS is.

You'd have to define slow, the bar for acceptable performance is really low when talking about web browsing, everyday usage type tasks. Factor in Chrome's multithreading and it's not so simple to think that the 5350 would really be any worse. That's why the OEMs have been able to get away with Bay Trail in laptops and desktops.

What bothers me about the G1840 is the 54 W TDP, it'll last a very long time but that high TDP is going to look bad in a few years.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Chrome isn't more multithreaded than anything else.

 

[TheELF]

What bothers me about the G1840 is the 54 W TDP, it'll last a very long time but that high TDP is going to look bad in a few years.

It has a higher TDP because it delivers on the promised clocks unlike the 5350.
At idle/light loads they both have the same power needs.
http://www.techspot.com/review/806-amd-kabini-vs-intel-bay-trail-d/page8.html

 

[skipsneeky2]

I also only thought about the 5350 due to the computer case i was intending to use for the build.Its a older case with only a 80mm intake fan.It has some vent holes in the rear but no exhaust fan option.

I know the 5350 is ultra low wattage,but would the G1820 overheat in such a case with its higher overall tdp?

I guess i could go ghetto and leave the shell of the case off for the G1820 but eventually i would cave in and get another case.Would be a decent while before i could drop some cash on that.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I also only thought about the 5350 due to the computer case i was intending to use for the build.Its a older case with only a 80mm intake fan.It has some vent holes in the rear but no exhaust fan option.

I know the 5350 is ultra low wattage,but would the G1820 overheat in such a case with its higher overall tdp?

I guess i could go ghetto and leave the shell of the case off for the G1820 but eventually i would cave in and get another case.Would be a decent while before i could drop some cash on that.

It wont overheat. Not even remotely close.

 

[crashtech]

I also only thought about the 5350 due to the computer case i was intending to use for the build.Its a older case with only a 80mm intake fan.It has some vent holes in the rear but no exhaust fan option.

I know the 5350 is ultra low wattage,but would the G1820 overheat in such a case with its higher overall tdp?

I guess i could go ghetto and leave the shell of the case off for the G1820 but eventually i would cave in and get another case.Would be a decent while before i could drop some cash on that.

Does it have the PSU on top, relying on it to exhaust air? For instance, many Athlon X2 and Core 2 systems were built with such cases, and those CPUs had TDPs in the 45-65W range. The Haswell Celeron has a 53W TDP, and the benefit of more advanced power management, so it's right in the tested and proven range for that kind of setup.

 

[escrow4]

Err.. try to find a decent Mini ITX board. Is very hard to find a great one.
Also... It doesn't have any XP support (even Ivy can deliver that and AM1 cand eliver if you get the correct drivers) and to make it "better" all the boards who are Mini ITX doesn't support more than 2 serial ports.

Its nearly 2016. There is zero reason to use an OS that came out in 2001 when VHS was still a thing and DVD was nascent. Seriously. Example H81 mITX board:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157451

Same for serial ports. Wrong century. If you are still supporting primitive rubbish imagine how would it will cost to actually replace when it finally goes.

 

[escrow4]

You'd have to define slow, the bar for acceptable performance is really low when talking about web browsing, everyday usage type tasks. Factor in Chrome's multithreading and it's not so simple to think that the 5350 would really be any worse. That's why the OEMs have been able to get away with Bay Trail in laptops and desktops.

What bothers me about the G1840 is the 54 W TDP, it'll last a very long time but that high TDP is going to look bad in a few years.

Unless you run Prime95 all day every day I doubt any Celeron will come even close to maxxing out its TDP. For a basic internet usage box it will idle most of the time and only spark up briefly.

 

[Shivansps]

Interesting, and a bit surprising to boot.

Are most of your clients SOHO, Small Biz, Corp, or Medical? I'm curious what market segment is still interested in XP. (Gov't?)

Mostly some companies that they still need to run legacy software and dont want to upgrade, nothing too big, mostly it was a local supermarket chain with ancient software.
And a few of other aislated requests, there still several of these cases here, some even requesting COM/LPT/2 PS2....

 

[Zodiark1593]

Its nearly 2016. There is zero reason to use an OS that came out in 2001 when VHS was still a thing and DVD was nascent. Seriously. Example H81 mITX board:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157451

Same for serial ports. Wrong century. If you are still supporting primitive rubbish imagine how would it will cost to actually replace when it finally goes.

There is some "rubbish" that would be obscenely expensive to replace. Same for certain software used in some businesses that only functions on XP, with the software maker out of business so no updates available. Thankfully, there are no shortage of Serial cards available.

For example, the wave solder machine I use at work has drivers that only function in XP. However, said machine would cost $200K to replace. It makes no sense to upgrade when it is currently functioning perfectly, and when the PC connected to it goes, is a cheap fix provided XP still exists. As the PC is not connected to the network, security is almost non-issue.

 

[PG]

Go buy this from Dell and add a hard drive, OS, and external optical:

http://slickdeals.net/f/8385655-del...l-core-139-free-shipping?v=1&src=SiteSearchV2

 

[dark zero]

Its nearly 2016. There is zero reason to use an OS that came out in 2001 when VHS was still a thing and DVD was nascent. Seriously. Example H81 mITX board:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157451

Same for serial ports. Wrong century. If you are still supporting primitive rubbish imagine how would it will cost to actually replace when it finally goes.

Ask the banks... even some of them are on DOS despite what Intel and Microsoft says.

And you say that serial ports are rubish? You must be totally mad to say that.

 

[Magic Carpet]

And you say that serial ports are rubish? You must be totally mad to say that.

Ignorance is bliss. Heh.

 

[TheELF]

Ask the banks... even some of them are on DOS despite what Intel and Microsoft says.

And you say that serial ports are rubish? You must be totally mad to say that.

And as we all know there are a lot of banks posting on anand...
If a simple user still has peripherals that old then it is time to upgrade them.

 

[dark zero]

And as we all know there are a lot of banks posting on anand...
If a simple user still has peripherals that old then it is time to upgrade them.

You don't know how the banks works on the 3rd world, no?
Anand is not all geeks sit on their houses. Some people are from the 3rd world and know about that too.
Old tech is still useful.
If not, why the MoBo manufacturers are still using PS2/VGA ports?

BTW, I am not defending AMD because their CPU performance is a dissaster, however even Intel is NOT offering any option with more than 2 serial ports.
I was thinking on VIA, but it cost the insane amount of 500 dollars per motherboard and has all the requirements meeting (Windows XP support, Serial Ports and Serial Ports Expansions), and AMD doesn't officially support Windows XP (however it can be posible via generic ports).