Just read that 770 gays were discharged from service

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Rogue
As a military member myself, I tend to agree with the other posts. If you can't handle the presence of a homosexual, it's you that has the problem not them. I can say that I've served with at least two lesbians that I know of outright and both were damn fine soldiers. I have no problem showering around anyone, especially in a field environment when that's all you got. The way I look at it is, there are two types of people in this world, men and women, and if by the time you've joined the military you haven't seen both sets of equipment at some point in your life, it's time to learn. I mean c'mon! It's a penis, a vagina, some breasts and buttocks people! What is the big fvcking deal with it all? Hell, as an MP, our basic training is co-ed. When we did our week in the field, I bathed every night out of my canteen cup right outside my tent in the woods. If a female saw me, so be it. In war you see far worse than the natural human form. I'd venture a guess that a disfigured, mangled human corpse if far more disturbing than a living, breathing, naked human. If you can't handle either, you simply shouldn't be in the military. That goes for those that are homosexual and can't shower with heterosexuals and those that are heterosexual and can't shower with homosexuals as far as I'm concerned. If you can't handle the problem going either direction, you're not a good fit for morale and esprit de corps in the first place.

I'll admit outright that when I was younger (about 10 years ago) I had a gay guy that had a crush on me. Being young and somewhat immature, I handled the problem totally wrong and made threats to him. Thinking on it later, he didn't hardly know me in the first place and I guess it was worth it to him to ask if I was interested just as I would ask a woman I don't know only to find out I'm not even close to her type of man. Granted, being hetero and lovin' the ladies I was taken aback and repulsed by it at the time, but I can see the error of my ways now.

As I am now married, I'd have to say that if I had to share bunks/close quarters with a gay male or a hetero female and either of them grabbed my ass in the middle of the night, I'd let either of them know I'm not interested, it was inappropriate and it should not happen again, but it's no cause to get drastic on anyone. There's plenty of women's asses I want to grab from time to time, but I just don't do it because if it's not asked for, it's not wanted. Too many people read too much into this stuff and are too narrow minded about it in the first place. Everyone is quick to take sides on an issue and not budge.

BTW, you all do know that according to the UCMJ, even consensual, oral sex between a male and a female is against the law, right? As is male to female anal sex and any other form of "sodomy." So hell, it's damn near illegal to be a healthy heterosexual person according to the UCMJ. Granted, no one enforces that law unless it's related to a crime of some sort, but it's spelled out clearly in there.

best post yet 😀

 

[3chordcharlie]

I'm almost out of beer for today, but nice post rogue - :beer:

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
I'm almost out of beer for today, but nice post rogue - :beer:

:beer::beer::beer:
:beer::beer::beer:

:beer::beer::beer:
:beer::beer::beer:


A six-pack for you *and* Rogue!

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Rogue
As a military member myself, I tend to agree with the other posts. If you can't handle the presence of a homosexual, it's you that has the problem not them. I can say that I've served with at least two lesbians that I know of outright and both were damn fine soldiers. I have no problem showering around anyone, especially in a field environment when that's all you got. The way I look at it is, there are two types of people in this world, men and women, and if by the time you've joined the military you haven't seen both sets of equipment at some point in your life, it's time to learn. I mean c'mon! It's a penis, a vagina, some breasts and buttocks people! What is the big fvcking deal with it all? Hell, as an MP, our basic training is co-ed. When we did our week in the field, I bathed every night out of my canteen cup right outside my tent in the woods. If a female saw me, so be it. In war you see far worse than the natural human form. I'd venture a guess that a disfigured, mangled human corpse if far more disturbing than a living, breathing, naked human. If you can't handle either, you simply shouldn't be in the military. That goes for those that are homosexual and can't shower with heterosexuals and those that are heterosexual and can't shower with homosexuals as far as I'm concerned. If you can't handle the problem going either direction, you're not a good fit for morale and esprit de corps in the first place.

I'll admit outright that when I was younger (about 10 years ago) I had a gay guy that had a crush on me. Being young and somewhat immature, I handled the problem totally wrong and made threats to him. Thinking on it later, he didn't hardly know me in the first place and I guess it was worth it to him to ask if I was interested just as I would ask a woman I don't know only to find out I'm not even close to her type of man. Granted, being hetero and lovin' the ladies I was taken aback and repulsed by it at the time, but I can see the error of my ways now.

As I am now married, I'd have to say that if I had to share bunks/close quarters with a gay male or a hetero female and either of them grabbed my ass in the middle of the night, I'd let either of them know I'm not interested, it was inappropriate and it should not happen again, but it's no cause to get drastic on anyone. There's plenty of women's asses I want to grab from time to time, but I just don't do it because if it's not asked for, it's not wanted. Too many people read too much into this stuff and are too narrow minded about it in the first place. Everyone is quick to take sides on an issue and not budge.

BTW, you all do know that according to the UCMJ, even consensual, oral sex between a male and a female is against the law, right? As is male to female anal sex and any other form of "sodomy." So hell, it's damn near illegal to be a healthy heterosexual person according to the UCMJ. Granted, no one enforces that law unless it's related to a crime of some sort, but it's spelled out clearly in there.

best post yet 😀

Rogue, you just put the bigots to shame! :beer::thumbsup::laugh:

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: loki8481
eh.

even if it is a disease, I don't see how liking butt sex somewhow means you can't fire a gun.

Thats not the point. It lowers morale.

I'm in the military, explain to me how it lowers morale becaus i don't get it.

You dont get what?

How it lowers morale.

Apparently it didnt lower yours, being a member of a foreign military, but it lowers others who would rather not be hit on by gays while trying to do their job. They also dont want to shower naked with those pervs. But again that didnt affect you (I guess you liked being ogled?), but it affects others differently. And they shouldnt have to put up with it - thus the longstanding laws against openly gay people in the service. You can go in, but if you come out, you get thrown out.

Foreign to you but i was in Afghanistan and Kosovo so i did chew the same dirt as the American soldiers.

They don't, with those "pervs", ok, i assume you know this as you have a longer history in the service than me, and have spent more time on the ground with American soldiers than me.

I don't give a fvck, i really don't, why would i? I didn't even think about it in the unisex showers, obviously YOU are the perv with the naughty, naughty ideas, go out and get laid instead (if you have a wife, it doesn't matter, divorce her and get laid, you obviously need some). I am secure enough in my own masculinity to be able to take a shower next to a female or homosexual male and not get sexually aroused, you obviously lack that ability, and because you, who are not in the service lack that ability, others should damn well pay the price.

IOW, STFU, you have no idea WTF you are talking about.

I have no idea what Im talking about? Your just pissed off because I told you off. Now as you like to put it - go to hell.

You obviously don't. And you are obviously fvcked up if you think that sexuality has any place in the military.

I have already been in hell, you should go there, it gives you some perspective.

Whos the one thats advocating sex in the military - you or me? Did you receive a service related injury to the head while serving in the German army? You are the one who says that its ok to have gay brigades, Im the one saying that I agree with the current policy that you may serve but if you come out of the closet, you get thrown out on your ass.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer
You obviously don't. And you are obviously fvcked up if you think that sexuality has any place in the military.

I have already been in hell, you should go there, it gives you some perspective.

Whos [sic] the one thats [sic] advocating sex in the military - you or me? Did you receive a service related injury to the head while serving in the German army? You are the one who says that its [sic] ok to have gay brigades, [sic] Im [sic] the one saying that I agree with the current policy that you may serve but if you come out of the closet, you get thrown out on your ass.

Where in the hell is Klixxer advocating sex in the military?

He's for allowing gays in the military.

Those are two totally disparate issues.


Are heterosexual soldiers having sex in the showers, in the mess tent, etc.?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Felix:

What is the extent of your military service? It seems to me this is relevant to this discussion, so I'm curious.

 

[zzzz]

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Apparently it didnt lower yours, being a member of a foreign military, but it lowers others who would rather not be hit on by gays while trying to do their job. They also dont want to shower naked with those pervs. But again that didnt affect you (I guess you liked being ogled?), but it affects others differently.

Perhaps you're the gay sex magnet that you claim to be, but you might want to contemplate the possibility that you're not and stop worrying about it.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: loki8481
eh.

even if it is a disease, I don't see how liking butt sex somewhow means you can't fire a gun.

Thats not the point. It lowers morale.

I'm in the military, explain to me how it lowers morale becaus i don't get it.

You dont get what?

How it lowers morale.

Apparently it didnt lower yours, being a member of a foreign military, but it lowers others who would rather not be hit on by gays while trying to do their job. They also dont want to shower naked with those pervs. But again that didnt affect you (I guess you liked being ogled?), but it affects others differently. And they shouldnt have to put up with it - thus the longstanding laws against openly gay people in the service. You can go in, but if you come out, you get thrown out.

Foreign to you but i was in Afghanistan and Kosovo so i did chew the same dirt as the American soldiers.

They don't, with those "pervs", ok, i assume you know this as you have a longer history in the service than me, and have spent more time on the ground with American soldiers than me.

I don't give a fvck, i really don't, why would i? I didn't even think about it in the unisex showers, obviously YOU are the perv with the naughty, naughty ideas, go out and get laid instead (if you have a wife, it doesn't matter, divorce her and get laid, you obviously need some). I am secure enough in my own masculinity to be able to take a shower next to a female or homosexual male and not get sexually aroused, you obviously lack that ability, and because you, who are not in the service lack that ability, others should damn well pay the price.

IOW, STFU, you have no idea WTF you are talking about.

I have no idea what Im talking about? Your just pissed off because I told you off. Now as you like to put it - go to hell.

You obviously don't. And you are obviously fvcked up if you think that sexuality has any place in the military.

I have already been in hell, you should go there, it gives you some perspective.

Whos the one thats advocating sex in the military - you or me? Did you receive a service related injury to the head while serving in the German army? You are the one who says that its ok to have gay brigades, Im the one saying that I agree with the current policy that you may serve but if you come out of the closet, you get thrown out on your ass.

I have never been in the German Army, i am a NATO officer dipshit.

Would you please quote where i advocated sex in the army or stop lying.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer
You obviously don't. And you are obviously fvcked up if you think that sexuality has any place in the military.

I have already been in hell, you should go there, it gives you some perspective.

Whos [sic] the one thats [sic] advocating sex in the military - you or me? Did you receive a service related injury to the head while serving in the German army? You are the one who says that its [sic] ok to have gay brigades, [sic] Im [sic] the one saying that I agree with the current policy that you may serve but if you come out of the closet, you get thrown out on your ass.

Where in the hell is Klixxer advocating sex in the military?

He's for allowing gays in the military.

Those are two totally disparate issues.


Are heterosexual soldiers having sex in the showers, in the mess tent, etc.?

Actually, thursday is orgy day, we have sex everywhere then, it's been that way ever since they let women join.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer
You obviously don't. And you are obviously fvcked up if you think that sexuality has any place in the military.

I have already been in hell, you should go there, it gives you some perspective.

Whos [sic] the one thats [sic] advocating sex in the military - you or me? Did you receive a service related injury to the head while serving in the German army? You are the one who says that its [sic] ok to have gay brigades, [sic] Im [sic] the one saying that I agree with the current policy that you may serve but if you come out of the closet, you get thrown out on your ass.

Where in the hell is Klixxer advocating sex in the military?

He's for allowing gays in the military.

Those are two totally disparate issues.


Are heterosexual soldiers having sex in the showers, in the mess tent, etc.?

Actually, thursday is orgy day, we have sex everywhere then, it's been that way ever since they let women join.

DAMN! :|

And now I'm too old to enlist!!

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Felix:

What is the extent of your military service? It seems to me this is relevant to this discussion, so I'm curious.

He once saw a war movie on tv?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer
You obviously don't. And you are obviously fvcked up if you think that sexuality has any place in the military.

I have already been in hell, you should go there, it gives you some perspective.

Whos [sic] the one thats [sic] advocating sex in the military - you or me? Did you receive a service related injury to the head while serving in the German army? You are the one who says that its [sic] ok to have gay brigades, [sic] Im [sic] the one saying that I agree with the current policy that you may serve but if you come out of the closet, you get thrown out on your ass.

Where in the hell is Klixxer advocating sex in the military?

He's for allowing gays in the military.

Those are two totally disparate issues.


Are heterosexual soldiers having sex in the showers, in the mess tent, etc.?

Actually, thursday is orgy day, we have sex everywhere then, it's been that way ever since they let women join.

DAMN! :|

And now I'm too old to enlist!!

The few, the proud, the nymphos. 😉

Cheers conjur.

 

[classy]

Man people can say what they want. But no way would I want some flaming gay male to be serving in combat with me. Can you just imagine our elite forces having a bunch gay men? And while women need to be strong, being butched out is not a mark of strength.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: loki8481
eh.

even if it is a disease, I don't see how liking butt sex somewhow means you can't fire a gun.

Thats not the point. It lowers morale.

I'm in the military, explain to me how it lowers morale becaus i don't get it.

You dont get what?

How it lowers morale.

Apparently it didnt lower yours, being a member of a foreign military, but it lowers others who would rather not be hit on by gays while trying to do their job. They also dont want to shower naked with those pervs. But again that didnt affect you (I guess you liked being ogled?), but it affects others differently. And they shouldnt have to put up with it - thus the longstanding laws against openly gay people in the service. You can go in, but if you come out, you get thrown out.

Foreign to you but i was in Afghanistan and Kosovo so i did chew the same dirt as the American soldiers.

They don't, with those "pervs", ok, i assume you know this as you have a longer history in the service than me, and have spent more time on the ground with American soldiers than me.

I don't give a fvck, i really don't, why would i? I didn't even think about it in the unisex showers, obviously YOU are the perv with the naughty, naughty ideas, go out and get laid instead (if you have a wife, it doesn't matter, divorce her and get laid, you obviously need some). I am secure enough in my own masculinity to be able to take a shower next to a female or homosexual male and not get sexually aroused, you obviously lack that ability, and because you, who are not in the service lack that ability, others should damn well pay the price.

IOW, STFU, you have no idea WTF you are talking about.

I have no idea what Im talking about? Your just pissed off because I told you off. Now as you like to put it - go to hell.

You obviously don't. And you are obviously fvcked up if you think that sexuality has any place in the military.

I have already been in hell, you should go there, it gives you some perspective.

Whos the one thats advocating sex in the military - you or me? Did you receive a service related injury to the head while serving in the German army? You are the one who says that its ok to have gay brigades, Im the one saying that I agree with the current policy that you may serve but if you come out of the closet, you get thrown out on your ass.

I have never been in the German Army, i am a NATO officer dipshit.

Would you please quote where i advocated sex in the army or stop lying.

You are a clueless child. I have no idea why NATO would make you an officer. Look at your stupid reponses above, "orgy day", "he saw a war movie", etc. You are the liar and you wont admit it. Too bad, Im done trying to get through that thick skull of yours. You want gay brigades, I dont. End of story.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Felix:

What is the extent of your military service? It seems to me this is relevant to this discussion, so I'm curious.

You dont have to have a service record to have an opinion.

 

[M0NEYSH0T]

I have nothing but respect for those who wear the uniform and support our troops, including the gay ones who follow the rules and dont ask or tell. I also have a few very close family members serving proudly.

BINGO. I have nothing but HUGE respect for those that wear the uniform, regardless of race, sex, etc., etc...

 

[Stunt]

Poor gay ppl, they should be able to serve their country as well. You'd think the Bush admin would endorse sending gay into combat...

I know if i were gay, that's where i'd want to be 😉
I'd be like being the photographer for maxim...mmmm....haha

 

[M0NEYSH0T]

LOL

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: classy
Man people can say what they want. But no way would I want some flaming gay male to be serving in combat with me. Can you just imagine our elite forces having a bunch gay men? And while women need to be strong, being butched out is not a mark of strength.

So where are you stationed atm?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: loki8481
eh.

even if it is a disease, I don't see how liking butt sex somewhow means you can't fire a gun.

Thats not the point. It lowers morale.

I'm in the military, explain to me how it lowers morale becaus i don't get it.

You dont get what?

How it lowers morale.

Apparently it didnt lower yours, being a member of a foreign military, but it lowers others who would rather not be hit on by gays while trying to do their job. They also dont want to shower naked with those pervs. But again that didnt affect you (I guess you liked being ogled?), but it affects others differently. And they shouldnt have to put up with it - thus the longstanding laws against openly gay people in the service. You can go in, but if you come out, you get thrown out.

Foreign to you but i was in Afghanistan and Kosovo so i did chew the same dirt as the American soldiers.

They don't, with those "pervs", ok, i assume you know this as you have a longer history in the service than me, and have spent more time on the ground with American soldiers than me.

I don't give a fvck, i really don't, why would i? I didn't even think about it in the unisex showers, obviously YOU are the perv with the naughty, naughty ideas, go out and get laid instead (if you have a wife, it doesn't matter, divorce her and get laid, you obviously need some). I am secure enough in my own masculinity to be able to take a shower next to a female or homosexual male and not get sexually aroused, you obviously lack that ability, and because you, who are not in the service lack that ability, others should damn well pay the price.

IOW, STFU, you have no idea WTF you are talking about.

I have no idea what Im talking about? Your just pissed off because I told you off. Now as you like to put it - go to hell.

You obviously don't. And you are obviously fvcked up if you think that sexuality has any place in the military.

I have already been in hell, you should go there, it gives you some perspective.

Whos the one thats advocating sex in the military - you or me? Did you receive a service related injury to the head while serving in the German army? You are the one who says that its ok to have gay brigades, Im the one saying that I agree with the current policy that you may serve but if you come out of the closet, you get thrown out on your ass.

I have never been in the German Army, i am a NATO officer dipshit.

Would you please quote where i advocated sex in the army or stop lying.

You are a clueless child. I have no idea why NATO would make you an officer. Look at your stupid reponses above, "orgy day", "he saw a war movie", etc. You are the liar and you wont admit it. Too bad, Im done trying to get through that thick skull of yours. You want gay brigades, I dont. End of story.

Yeah, jokes are all serious. You are extremely childish for being 34 years old.

The end of the story is that you have never served while i do so you have no say and i do.

What have i lied about?

 

[cquark]

Can you just imagine our elite forces having a bunch gay men?

Sure. It's been done before successfully. Remember the Sacred Band of Thebes?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: M0NEYSH0T

I have nothing but respect for those who wear the uniform and support our troops, including the gay ones who follow the rules and dont ask or tell. I also have a few very close family members serving proudly.

BINGO. I have nothing but HUGE respect for those that wear the uniform, regardless of race, sex, etc., etc...

As long as they lie about their sexual orientation you are ok with gays in the army?

When you are joining the military, it's all good as long as you lie?

You people are not serving and have a fvcked up idea of how the military should work.

 

[CanOWorms]

They probably let in mentally retarded people in the military, but no homosexuals.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: loki8481
eh.

even if it is a disease, I don't see how liking butt sex somewhow means you can't fire a gun.

Thats not the point. It lowers morale.

I'm in the military, explain to me how it lowers morale becaus i don't get it.

You dont get what?

How it lowers morale.

Apparently it didnt lower yours, being a member of a foreign military, but it lowers others who would rather not be hit on by gays while trying to do their job. They also dont want to shower naked with those pervs. But again that didnt affect you (I guess you liked being ogled?), but it affects others differently. And they shouldnt have to put up with it - thus the longstanding laws against openly gay people in the service. You can go in, but if you come out, you get thrown out.

Foreign to you but i was in Afghanistan and Kosovo so i did chew the same dirt as the American soldiers.

They don't, with those "pervs", ok, i assume you know this as you have a longer history in the service than me, and have spent more time on the ground with American soldiers than me.

I don't give a fvck, i really don't, why would i? I didn't even think about it in the unisex showers, obviously YOU are the perv with the naughty, naughty ideas, go out and get laid instead (if you have a wife, it doesn't matter, divorce her and get laid, you obviously need some). I am secure enough in my own masculinity to be able to take a shower next to a female or homosexual male and not get sexually aroused, you obviously lack that ability, and because you, who are not in the service lack that ability, others should damn well pay the price.

IOW, STFU, you have no idea WTF you are talking about.

I have no idea what Im talking about? Your just pissed off because I told you off. Now as you like to put it - go to hell.

You obviously don't. And you are obviously fvcked up if you think that sexuality has any place in the military.

I have already been in hell, you should go there, it gives you some perspective.

Whos the one thats advocating sex in the military - you or me? Did you receive a service related injury to the head while serving in the German army? You are the one who says that its ok to have gay brigades, Im the one saying that I agree with the current policy that you may serve but if you come out of the closet, you get thrown out on your ass.

I have never been in the German Army, i am a NATO officer dipshit.

Would you please quote where i advocated sex in the army or stop lying.

You are a clueless child. I have no idea why NATO would make you an officer. Look at your stupid reponses above, "orgy day", "he saw a war movie", etc. You are the liar and you wont admit it. Too bad, Im done trying to get through that thick skull of yours. You want gay brigades, I dont. End of story.

Child? I am as old as you are, i have responded to you in another thread where you pointed out your racist opinions.

NATO made me an officer because of my accomplishments in battle in Afghanistan, do you know WHY i went to Afghanistan?

You see, some of us don't just spout off on things we don't know sh!t about, we actually do something while you sit on your fat arse and cheer those WASP soldiers on (and each and every one of them would like to kick your lily white little arse).

Ignorant little fool is what you are, that is all you are, go back to OT and post YAGT or something.