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How the hell do "they lie about their sexual orientation" ? Why must gay people always announce their homosexuality and feel it is a lie otherwise if they don't? Most people would rather not know your sexual orientation. Good thats GREAT you got over being an abused gay teenager and came out of the closet back wherever you live...straight people in the service don't want to know that. Somethings are best left behind and I don't see how your sexual deviance (gay or straight sex hobbies) needs to be brought up while you are in the service. There isn't a big checkbox on the enlistment papers that say "I love the c*ck" or something...geeze
So you are ok with discrimination in the military if it regards sexual orientation, how about race, sex, religion?
That is what it's about, discrimination, nothing else.
I do however agree with you that there is no need for anyone to flaunt their sexuality, but from what i have seen, no one does. Same goes for religion but unfortunatly i have spent too many nights listening to catholics trying to convert me in the field. (idiots, i am trying to stay awake)
For the sake of making gay people not feel discriminated if such a simple things matter that much to them then I don't think it should be tolerated.
I agree with restrictions on sexual orientation discussions though. People should be discharged if they talk about homosexual endeavors or if hetereosexuals put them on the spot and make them answer to their sexual orientation. The reason being is that this would create tension (whether you like it or not) among the soldiers and it is not needed.
because in the military you could be given a top secret clearence, and back before homosexuality was widely accepted and out in the open, it could be used as blackmail if an enemy spy [or something of the sort] found out. so, rather than be ostracized from society and everything you hold dear, you would divulge the information sought.
Bah, I'll answer this one too. Religion comes up often, especially if you're in a job where death my be imminent. My profession as an MP means I wear a bullet-proof vest and carry a loaded weapon almost all the time. Any good, cohesive unit will delve into this topic in the event of death or near death. As a leader, I notified my troops that I was an atheist, out and out. Naturally, nearly 3/4 of them were flabbergasted. I could hear the "if you die, you're gonna go to hell" spiel already. The first verbal reply was, "There are no atheists in foxholes!" I replied, "Damn straight, I have no God to fear and when I die no place to go. Staying in a foxhole gets me closer to neither. Getting out and destroying the enemy gets me closer to home. Stay in your foxhole if you wish, but when I give orders, you'll follow me wherever I charge, right?!" Brief silence, then laughter.
Believing previous to that discussion that I was a God fearing man because I'm morally righteous and have a tendency to chew some ass for certain things, they were all taken aback by it. As time wore on, they accepted my beliefs and one of my joes actually "confessed" his atheism to me afterward. After that, when time was slow and conversation boring, religion always came up (after sex talk, drunk stories, dumb teenager stories, stupid perpetrator stories, etc). I let them know not to pray for me or have anyone else do it because the Army wouldn't print atheist on my dog tags. They were printed and remain to this day "No Preference" because if it makes someone feel better to pray over me as I pass on, so be it. I always told them that the mission came first and to ensure I was buried ass up so the world could kiss it when I was gone.
Despite all that, religion comes up constantly and with the sheer diversity of the military is definitely more pronounced than the whole gays in the military issue. Most soldiers today when a gay soldier is identified simply accept it. It's your hard core, combat arms grunts who have a hard time because they're young, dumb and can't see the error of their ways.
FelixDeCat
Lifer
Since you have a problem reading English, heres this:
Öffnen Sie Ihre Öffnung und setzen Sie Fuß - wieder ein. Es gab keine rassistischen Aussagen - überhaupt. Jetzt liegen Sie wieder. Im auch nicht weiß Sie presumptious scumbag
Ok, I'm smelling bullcrap here. There is no such thing as a "NATO officer", only officers assigned to NATO duty from a member nation. You state that you're not German -- fine. From which member nation are you and what rank do you hold?
I've seen too many instances of people trying to pass themselves off as military to accept questionable statements like those quoted above without explanation. There was even a guy in these very forums who claimed to be "special forces" from Norway or something like that.
Sorry Klixxer, I think your opinion is crap, and while I respect Rogue for sharing his feelings on the matter I totally disagree. I think his lesbian example is rather worthless as he is a male, had he been a female then it might have more weight, I also don't necessarly believe that he would be totally at ease showering or any other act which involves nudity around homosexuals, it is one thing to say you will be fine with it on the net and a very liberal board such as this, but his actions in the past speak for themselves.
I have known and spoken with many people in the military and all share the same sentiments as train, you have to work as one and think as one group...someone posted a response citing what if you liked people of different color or what not and while that is a difference, it still isn't nearly as large of a difference as liking the same sex...if someone can say they like asian women I myself can look at the person in question and see the beauty even though I may prefer something else, whereas if someone said they like men and showed me a guy they liked I would have no understanding whatsoever and could not relate in the least.
also the line of being grabbed in the night is about as much crap as I have ever read in my life..there is one thing about being changed over time, and another about blatant bull to please the majority and Rogue's post stinks.
So if you like Country music and the other person likes Classical, or if you are religious and the other person is an atheist, or if you're Asian and he's White, how does that change anything? Is it that necessary that military people agree on ALL FRONTS? Honestly, when you're in the middle of a firefight with ten of your colleagues, is the first thing on your mind whether or not he is staring at your equipment? Utterly, utterly laughable. I really fail to see what is so different about SEXUAL ORIENTATION that gets people all riled up - unless, that is, that you have some sort of Puritanical view of sex that makes it so obsessively dirty or 'different' than race, religion, ancestry, musical taste, etc.
Edit: I am PERFECTLY comfortable showering around other guys, bathing communally, etc. I'm heterosexual. Perhaps some of it arises from my Japanese background and being exposed to a culture where communal bathing is quite common. That would also explain the indescribable comedy with which I regard the majority of this country's view toward sex and sexuality.
Have you ever been to a gym? Has it ever occurred to you that there might be a gay or two there with you? Does that scare you or something?
As long as they don't start grabbing your ass or something, WTF is the problem?
It's not like letting a pedophile into a kindergarden.
Please, your comparing sexual preference and attractions of the physical form to ones preference in music, race, and religion..possibly one of the weakest arguments I have read to date...if you don't see that there is a HUGE difference then I feel not only sorry for you, but also the educational system which trained you to be a thinking (possibly not though) member of society. It is not so much "in the heat of battle" where the concern lies but in every other facet of military life, or even other institutions where you are made to share tight quarters with others. I also think your edit is somewhat laughable, are you comfortable showering with random women? or even better guys you openly know who are gay and do happen to be sexually attracted to you? how would you feel if one of them inadvertantly bumped into you, maybe you would suspect it is on purpose? it is one thing to come on this board and say you are ok with it just to appease the masses here and then it is another to be honest with yourself and know your limitations...I am possibly one of the most un-catholic catholics anyone will ever meet, never go to church, and certainly don't have a "puritanical" view of sex, but I am honest with myself and know that I would be highly uncomfortable if placed in a situation that demaded close and rather "intimate" contact with homosexuals, and I think anyone who is straight would feel the same way, just as I would feel uncomfortable around random women or even women who I knew well if placed in a similar situation.
My question to you is what kind of Gyms are you going to? the only time that I was subjected to communal open showers was in grade school when no one knew any better and later in high school when you could opt to shower or not in the group facility and I would always opt out of that as it is uncomfortable...every gym that I have been a member of has individual shower stalls, and most that I have visited which do not people will wear their shorts into the shower. Again it is an awkward and uncomfortable situation which can be avoided, I have nothing wrong with homosexuals in the military but I can understand the lack of comrodary (sp?) that this creates...maybe they should set up seperate shower facilities for the straight and the homosexual members? but then that is just another way to break down the all as one mentality.
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