just lost my job to out sourcing

[GreasyBurger]

I don't get it. I really don't see how GWB has anything to do with outsourcing. We've been outsourcing manufacture jobs to China, Taiwan for like forever and this happened before the services industrialization came to play. Globalism market took place way even before GWB came to the office.

 

[Yax]

Originally posted by: GreasyBurger
I don't get it. I really don't see how GWB has anything to do with outsourcing. We've been outsourcing manufacture jobs to China, Taiwan for like forever and this happened before the services industrialization came to play. Globalism market took place way even before GWB came to the office.

Perhaps he's not saying that BUSH had anything to do with outsourcing. Perhaps he's saying that GWB isn't doing anything to help the economy so companies have to outsource to stay alive. Perhaps he's saying that because so many people loss their jobs in a GWB economy that it will be hard for him to find a new job. Perhaps he's saying that the GWB tax cuts and war spendings aren't helping the economy as GWB predicted so perhaps GWB was wrong thus will not get his vote this year. Perhaps.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: blodhi74

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Sorry, but it's not Bush's fault you lost your job. What, you want government intervention in even more aspects of the economy?

Hands off, please!

the millions he spent on Iraq is Fubar .....Iraq did not pose a threat to US and our guys are dying to protect the OIL ..... why not go for countries that spawn the f*cking terrorists ... saudi arabia is start .... if we want democracy , why do we support the anarchist Saudies ... .we as a nation are a amulgem of different races that are proud to call US home .... and if compnies call middle class americans " not good for the dollar " F*ck em .... try explaining this to my 7 yr old ...why his dad cant have his B-day @ the park

I have sympathy for you losing your job but your blaming economic issues (it's just damned cheaper labor over there) on politics is horse manure. And I hate politics in the first place.

EDIT>>> After reading your other posts... maybe I don't have as much sympathy for you...

 

[jyates]

It's interesting that a person losing his job blames it on President Bush.

Why don't you blame it on the company who made the decision to give your
$22 a hour job to a person who will take it for $2 an hour?

I'm also wondering if the $2 an hour worker is going to be able to perform
said job?

The world is getting smaller and communications overseas is getting cheaper
all the time and I've avoided ever working for a large company that would
even think of sending my job overseas.

Don't blame Mr. Bush for the economics of a cheaper workforce being offered
outside of the USA.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: virtueixi
Finally, DO YOU REALLY THINK BUSH HAS NO INFLUENCE OVER THE FED? and ...........
Is it a coencidence that we are in such a huge deficit during his term? Did it just happen on it's own???

Trying to steer the economy is like trying to steer a tanker. Bush didn't just say "Die, economy!" and *poof* it happened. There are tons of factors that have been working since at least the late 1980s that slowly lead to this outcome. It takes significant time even for a small change like changine the interest rate .1% to even show a little bit of result.

Herbert Hoover often got crucified for "causing" the Great Depression, but let's be honest - how much could he have possibly single-handedly done between his inauguration on March 4 and "Black Tuesday" October 29?

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: blodhi74
I work for SprintPCS as a trouble specialist in chicago and I went to work today and the VC of the compney was there with a big annocement ..... the are closing the center on Aug 3 and moving 1100 positions to India ... people in my field make $22+ an hour and the the people in India will make less than $2 per HR ..... been with Sprint for 3 1/2 years and we are all getting the shaft .... managers and all .... I am very capable of getting a new job but the way me and my fellow workers are being treated is driving me nuts ...... thank U GW ...... fu*k fighting over oil and take care of the Tax Payers and the citizens of this fair land.... I will not vote for GW...... I am a 2nd generation immigrant and belive in american way of life ..... it pisses me off when people have anti american views ...... thats my rant for today.

I'm sure if Kerry is elected President that all outsourcing will cease and all old jobs will be given back to their former holders. After all, George Bush is the one who told these companies that saving $20/hr per employee was smart!

I'm sorry for your loss man, but blaming George Bush is dumb. You've got a better case blaming the VC who told you about it in the first place.

 

[virtueixi]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: virtueixi
Finally, DO YOU REALLY THINK BUSH HAS NO INFLUENCE OVER THE FED? and ...........
Is it a coencidence that we are in such a huge deficit during his term? Did it just happen on it's own???

Trying to steer the economy is like trying to steer a tanker. Bush didn't just say "Die, economy!" and *poof* it happened. There are tons of factors that have been working since at least the late 1980s that slowly lead to this outcome. It takes significant time even for a small change like changine the interest rate .1% to even show a little bit of result.

Herbert Hoover often got crucified for "causing" the Great Depression, but let's be honest - how much could he have possibly single-handedly done between his inauguration on March 4 and "Black Tuesday" October 29?

Of course it didn't happen over night.....However spending 400 billion dollars over the course of a year on "liberating Iraq" didn't exactly help the economy.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: virtueixi
Of course it didn't happen over night.....However spending 400 billion dollars over the course of a year on "liberating Iraq" didn't exactly help the economy.

Military operations are a great way to stimulate short-term economic growth. The cash laid out by the government has little short-term impact compared to the increased industrial demand military operations cause.

The effect is short-lived, however. A few years after the operation ends, the growth recedes as the demand wanes.

It's impossible to simplify economics enough to be able to blame one person for its state at any given time.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: virtueixi
Of course it didn't happen over night.....However spending 400 billion dollars over the course of a year on "liberating Iraq" didn't exactly help the economy.

It's impossible to simplify economics enough to be able to blame one person for its state at any given time.

But, OMG!!11!, he's the President!

 

[SackOfAllTrades]

If I ever lose my job, I'm blaming Chester A. Arthur.

 

[SuperTool]

How are we gonna pay for Bush's debts when we are working for $2 trying to compete with third world labor? 😀

 

[rh71]

It's out of consumers' hands... no matter how much they spend. $20/hr is the only difference here... and companies are just being smart about their finances.

 

[virtueixi]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
How are we gonna pay for Bush's debts when we are working for $2 trying to compete with third world labor? 😀

lol.

 

[AmbitV]

a lot of people are saying don't blame Bush since there are too many variables, and he can't be held responsible for everything.

Well I think if Bush, like any other president, takes credit for things he wasn't responsible for, then he should take the heat as well. How convenient that when the economy tanks, he can point to things like the dotcom bust, 9/11, the drumbeat to war, then when the economy turns around he says it was because of his strong policies and resolve. Wtf.

Presidents are politicians, and like any politician they should take the blame for anything and everything. They are, after all, the ones running the country. It's their job to take the heat and listen to your concerns, whether you are justified or not. Someone has to be held accountable, might as well be the guy at the top.

 

[mboy]

Originally posted by: blodhi74

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Sorry, but it's not Bush's fault you lost your job. What, you want government intervention in even more aspects of the economy?

Hands off, please!

the millions he spent on Iraq is Fubar .....Iraq did not pose a threat to US and our guys are dying to protect the OIL ..... why not go for countries that spawn the f*cking terrorists ... saudi arabia is start .... if we want democracy , why do we support the anarchist Saudies ... .we as a nation are a amulgem of different races that are proud to call US home .... and if compnies call middle class americans " not good for the dollar " F*ck em .... try explaining this to my 7 yr old ...why his dad cant have his B-day @ the park

Hey Einstein? If the war in IRAQ is over oil, why didn't we just go after Saudi Arabia. Our Army was already there, they have no defense (we are it), they have WAAAY more oil then Iraq. Don't give me this crap about Iraq war being about oil.

 

[GreasyBurger]

The war in Iraq is about oil? Then why do I have to pay over $2/gallon for my car?

If every war/conflict America involved in is about steal other people natural resources then what were doing in Korea, Vietnam and why do we spend hundred of million dollars to support Isreal?

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: blodhi74
I work for SprintPCS as a trouble specialist in chicago and I went to work today and the VC of the compney was there with a big annocement ..... the are closing the center on Aug 3 and moving 1100 positions to India ... people in my field make $22+ an hour and the the people in India will make less than $2 per HR ..... been with Sprint for 3 1/2 years and we are all getting the shaft .... managers and all .... I am very capable of getting a new job but the way me and my fellow workers are being treated is driving me nuts ...... thank U GW ...... fu*k fighting over oil and take care of the Tax Payers and the citizens of this fair land.... I will not vote for GW...... I am a 2nd generation immigrant and belive in american way of life ..... it pisses me off when people have anti american views ...... thats my rant for today.

I'm sure if Kerry is elected President that all outsourcing will cease and all old jobs will be given back to their former holders. After all, George Bush is the one who told these companies that saving $20/hr per employee was smart!

I'm sorry for your loss man, but blaming George Bush is dumb. You've got a better case blaming the VC who told you about it in the first place.

I almost hope that Kerry gets elected so as to see the reaction of dimwitted Kerry voters when outsourcing continues under his reign. I said almost.


edit: VC == Viet Cong? 😕 😛

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: AmbitV
Someone has to be held accountable, might as well be the guy at the top.

Sure, as long as it's not you they're pointing the finger at, eh?

Thing is, pointing the finger won't solve the problem. Let's say you really could blame all your life's problems on one slack-jawed yokel from Texas....you would still have problems! What's the point? Go ahead and blame Bush if it makes you feel better, but blaming people isn't going to help you cope as the world continues to change.

Everybody just wants a whipping boy so that they don't have to feel responsible themselves.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: virtueixi

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Mandos

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: blodhi74

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: blodhi74

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Sorry, but it's not Bush's fault you lost your job. What, you want government intervention in even more aspects of the economy?

Hands off, please!

the millions he spent on Iraq is Fubar .....Iraq did not pose a threat to US and our guys are dying to protect the OIL ..... why not go for countries that spawn the f*cking terrorists ... saudi arabia is start .... if we want democracy , why do we support the anarchist Saudies ... .we as a nation are a amulgem of different races that are proud to call US home .... and if compnies call middle class americans " not good for the dollar " F*ck em .... try explaining this to my 7 yr old ...why his dad cant have his B-day @ the park

Why not explain to your son why you're a looser?

why dont u put in a nice sentence so I could read it to him when I tell him a bed time story F*ck face

Tell him a nice story about how he should take economics in college so he's not as ignorant as his father.

You are really pushing it man. Seriously. Don't talk aobut peoples' kids or stuff like that, its not proper. You'll really get screwed for doing this.

Oooooh, sorry dude - the guy has no grasp on simple economics if he thinks this is all GWBs fault. And since when did I say anything negative about his kid? Is telling him to value an education a bad thing?
😕

I agree. He was clearly upset after loosing his job and you (and a bunch of others) were totally acting insensitive. If it happened to you, I'm sure you would be upset and would want someone to blame. At the same time you wouldn't like people talking sh!t to you.

If you think Bush has no control of the economy:

He can authorize the expansion release of the reserves and depending on how much is released, the price could definitly drop more than 10 cents. He could provide grants for theof oil excavation, like in Iraq or Alaska for instance.

Currently, there are tax law loopholes in effect supporting outsourcing. Bush could change those laws, so that the companies have to pay much more taxes for outsourcing and discouraginh it by forcing companies to end up paying more than saving. Bush's logic on outsourcing is that it will save the coroprations so much money, that in the long run they will have more jobs. However, this plan does not take into account other consequences, like increased welfare reciption, decreased spending and other damages to economy during this period.

Finally, DO YOU REALLY THINK BUSH HAS NO INFLUENCE OVER THE FED? and ...........
Is it a coencidence that we are in such a huge deficit during his term? Did it just happen on it's own???

Hmm ,read the link I posted earlier in the thread - releasing the reserves will drop gas prices by 10 cents (whooptidoo), I admit, but every time they have been released, gas prices rose back up to the same high prices within a week. Yea, talk about some massive control. Messing with the reserves will no have ANY KIND of lasting effect on prices.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: mboy

Originally posted by: blodhi74

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Sorry, but it's not Bush's fault you lost your job. What, you want government intervention in even more aspects of the economy?

Hands off, please!

the millions he spent on Iraq is Fubar .....Iraq did not pose a threat to US and our guys are dying to protect the OIL ..... why not go for countries that spawn the f*cking terrorists ... saudi arabia is start .... if we want democracy , why do we support the anarchist Saudies ... .we as a nation are a amulgem of different races that are proud to call US home .... and if compnies call middle class americans " not good for the dollar " F*ck em .... try explaining this to my 7 yr old ...why his dad cant have his B-day @ the park

Hey Einstein? If the war in IRAQ is over oil, why didn't we just go after Saudi Arabia. Our Army was already there, they have no defense (we are it), they have WAAAY more oil then Iraq. Don't give me this crap about Iraq war being about oil.

Because American oil companies are already in Saudi Arabia, Sherlock.

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: virtueixi
Of course it didn't happen over night.....However spending 400 billion dollars over the course of a year on "liberating Iraq" didn't exactly help the economy.

Military operations are a great way to stimulate short-term economic growth. The cash laid out by the government has little short-term impact compared to the increased industrial demand military operations cause.

The effect is short-lived, however. A few years after the operation ends, the growth recedes as the demand wanes.

It's impossible to simplify economics enough to be able to blame one person for its state at any given time.

Problem is, this time the economic growth isn't translating into new jobs and higher wages, because the jobs - and wages - are going overseas. All the war in Iraq is doing is making a few very wealthy people wealthier.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: blodhi74

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: gotsmack
What does GB have to do with outsourcing?

Your job would have went even if Gore was president.

Don't blame the president, blame Voice over IP

tell it to my son

What a BS answer! I have one for you: try telling the Indians who are willing to live on far less than we demand to live on that you can't give up your job because your son can't stand to have his b-day party at home. They're willing to work for less because ANYTHING is a bargain to them. As soon as other countries start to modernize (1+ billion Chinese, many African nations, etc.) they'll have those same people. A generation will emerge that's well-educated enough to answer phones and such for decent (to them) wages, and jobs will move to those countries. You can't help it.

I'm terribly sorry you lost your job. I would be in a world of sh1t if I lost mine.

Blaming GWB is ridiculous.

 

[BlamoHammer]

Originally posted by: blodhi74

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: gotsmack
What does GB have to do with outsourcing?

Your job would have went even if Gore was president.

Don't blame the president, blame Voice over IP

tell it to my son

If you were so horrible with your money that you dont have enough tucked away to have a birthday party for your son at the park, then maybe you should tell your son that.

 

[BlamoHammer]

Companies exist for the sole purpose of making profits, thats all. You cant expect most of these companies to pass up the opportunity to decrease a controllable cost to 9% of what it once was.

Does it suck? Yeah. Will it change? No

Go scrape together the $50 it might cost to fund a bday party for your kid at the public park and go find another job.

 

[lowpost]

what companies outsource... ?