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just lost my job to out sourcing
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SagaLore
Elite Member
He might not be the greatest speaker we've had, but his intelligence far exceeds Kerry's. Liberals always seem to judge a book by their cover - if Gore was president, and had the exact same policies Bush had, and done everything that Bush has done, they'd put him on a pedestal and say he's the greatest president we've had. Democrats (politicians) are artifically inflated, they think they know everything but don't have any answers, and all they can resort to get their "point" across is hate speech.
I am just as upset as the OP that my job is heading towards India too. But being an Indian citizen/US Resident makes it very hard for me to hear Americans slur my nation for the mere reason that an American company provided them with poor service. I pacify myself with the knowledge that you are the dumbest fvck in the history of mankind.
And to the other person that posted about the Discovery Channel program last night - the program was titled "The other side of outsourcing". I don't believe it was intended to be a balanced report of the effects of outsourcing.
Outsourcing is a very positive thing from the Indian perspective. But Indians are not personally responsible for ensuring that you and I continue to have our jobs in the US. If you had half a chance to take the job of someone from a wealthier country that would enhance your own financial condition, would you turn it down out of pity for the other person? Blame your own home-bred American companies for taking away your jobs and providing you with inferior services - and stop calling India names.
If you're going to blame anyone, you need to blame Al Gore.
He, after all, invented the Internet, revolutionizing global communications, without which global business would not be possible.
Everyone trying to blame politicians or advocating American isolationism:
Isolationism has NEVER worked for any nation. The world is changing. You can point the finger at this or that political party or politician, but no single politician is responsible for the world becoming a smaller place.
Edit: Dan Quayle, Al Gore, all the idiot VPs run together after awhile.
He, after all, invented the Internet, revolutionizing global communications, without which global business would not be possible.
Everyone trying to blame politicians or advocating American isolationism:
Isolationism has NEVER worked for any nation. The world is changing. You can point the finger at this or that political party or politician, but no single politician is responsible for the world becoming a smaller place.
Edit: Dan Quayle, Al Gore, all the idiot VPs run together after awhile.
DivideBYZero
Lifer
Yet you are the one calling people Morons and assholes. How ironic. :roll:
Mr.IncrediblyBored
Lifer
TwiceOver's aggression seemed to overpowered his point - enough so that you missed it entirely. Outsourcing support centers to a foreign nation is commonly a detriment to the quality of the support service. An Indian may be well qualified for the position, but the language barrier might prevent him from effectively helping somebody that speaks American English.
I've had to deal with Indian CSR's before, and their thick accent makes them difficult to understand. Technically, their English might be fine, but practically something about their accent makes it difficult to communicate clearly.
I'm not getting involved in the polical side of this debate. I'll leave that to the other folks.
orry but I agree with many in this thread, if there is anyone to blame it is the companies who want to lower their overhead and in turn sacrifice CS. The current admin can do little to limit the effects of globalization without hurting industry on the whole as we just won't be able to compete.
As others have said, if there is any admin to blame it would have been the previous one for their support and push of NAFTA, however again even that is futile as it was inevitable...
Personally I wish I had gone into a more stable career, possibly Doctor, Pharmacist what not, something that really cannot be outsourced as you always need people on hand, whereas software dev, support and what not due to advancements in tech can always be done remotely....
In answer to Supertools query, in a perfect world yes people who put the time in and get the degree should be fairly compensated, but this is a capitalist system and market forces apply, if you can get someone to do the same job at 1/3 the cost or more than you do it, even if it means sacrificing service as you can always find other ways to please the customer, and people as a whole will look the other way at personal service when they see themselves or percieve themselves getting a steallar deal. Maybe you should blame people on the whole for being cheapasses, because until people start to care more about service and or the quality the get over price things wont change.
As others have said, if there is any admin to blame it would have been the previous one for their support and push of NAFTA, however again even that is futile as it was inevitable...
Personally I wish I had gone into a more stable career, possibly Doctor, Pharmacist what not, something that really cannot be outsourced as you always need people on hand, whereas software dev, support and what not due to advancements in tech can always be done remotely....
In answer to Supertools query, in a perfect world yes people who put the time in and get the degree should be fairly compensated, but this is a capitalist system and market forces apply, if you can get someone to do the same job at 1/3 the cost or more than you do it, even if it means sacrificing service as you can always find other ways to please the customer, and people as a whole will look the other way at personal service when they see themselves or percieve themselves getting a steallar deal. Maybe you should blame people on the whole for being cheapasses, because until people start to care more about service and or the quality the get over price things wont change.
The expression that that dimbulb used against my country is what I am protesting against. You seemed to have missed the point of my post entirely! Poor service is the fault of the company. If you called Dell and told them that their Indian Call Centers sucked, and if Dell still refused to do anything about it, you are a fool for exclaiming, "fvck India" - fvck Dell instead man, fvck Dell!!! Wouldn't you agree?
Just in case, you miss the point of my post again: I spent the first 22 years of my life in India and even I have difficulty following the accents of these Indian CSRs. I realize that they are not very effective at Customer Service because of their accent handicap. India is not at fault for that - that's just the way we speak back there. Just get Dell to stop using Indian Call Centers.
blodhi74,
Sorry man. That is rough. But we are in some rough times right now.
So please keep your head up and hit the pavement! Sure you'll have to be tight for a while but hopefully you'll rebound and find something.
Try a head hunter, employment agency, don't forget to demand some kind of severance or unemployment.
And for god's sake don't sign anything!!!!
Best of luck to you.
:beer:
Sorry man. That is rough. But we are in some rough times right now.
So please keep your head up and hit the pavement! Sure you'll have to be tight for a while but hopefully you'll rebound and find something.
Try a head hunter, employment agency, don't forget to demand some kind of severance or unemployment.
And for god's sake don't sign anything!!!!
Best of luck to you.
:beer:
blakeatwork
Diamond Member
$22/hr USD for cell support?? Give me a break... Unless you're teaching me, ONLINE, how to take apart my phone, solder it back into shape, and while I'm at it, increase my effective range, then I really don't think you should be earing more then 10-12/hr TOPS....
Now, if you're managing the Call Centre, OK, I can see that being as reasonable, maybe even slightly undercompensated. But to be a level 1 pee-on making $22/hr... christ, no wonder you're bitching... It sucks going from overpaid, to paid what you're job is actually worth..
In the late 1800s tons of farmers lost their jobs as America became more productive. In the early 1900s it was manufacturing. Now it's service supports/programmers. Guess what? Outsourcing isn't anything new; nor are shifts in the American job sectors. So if the government intervened should we all go back to having our own vegetable gardens and raising our own livestock?
The economy IS improving and growing. Recently the number of jobs added are greater than the population growth. Blaming or crediting any US President for the economy shows a lack of understanding of the US economy. For example GWB was able to tank the economy before he took office, he has great magical powers as the President-elect.
I'm sorry that you lost your job. It's a rough place to be. Good luck on finding another job.
Tiqua
The economy IS improving and growing. Recently the number of jobs added are greater than the population growth. Blaming or crediting any US President for the economy shows a lack of understanding of the US economy. For example GWB was able to tank the economy before he took office, he has great magical powers as the President-elect.
I'm sorry that you lost your job. It's a rough place to be. Good luck on finding another job.
Tiqua
phantom309
Platinum Member
Yes. The OP has every reason to be angry and bitter - losing a job is one of the worst things that can happen to an adult. As much as I enjoy bashing GWB, and as many and varied as his failures are, he has nothing to do with this problem. The plain fact is that any jobs that CAN be outsourced to cheaper labor WILL be. It's not fair to American workers, it sucks, etc., but it's reality and we all have to accept it.
Our services are worth what the market will pay - nothing more. It doesn't matter how qualified you are, how much you spent on your education, how much seniority you have, or what a great guy you are. If someone else can do your job adequately for less money, that's what that job is worth. So it seems a $22/hr tech support job in 2000 is worth $2/hr in 2004. I bet typewriter repairmen made a pretty good living too, before word processors came along.
Welcome to the ugly side of capitalism. It's a shame that it's the only economic model that truly works. Maybe someday we'll figure out something better. But until then all we can do is adapt, and move on.
I agree. He was clearly upset after loosing his job and you (and a bunch of others) were totally acting insensitive. If it happened to you, I'm sure you would be upset and would want someone to blame. At the same time you wouldn't like people talking sh!t to you.
If you think Bush has no control of the economy:
He can authorize the release of the reserves and depending on how much is released, the price could definitly drop more than 10 cents. He could provide grants for the expansion of oil excavation, like in Iraq or Alaska for instance.
Currently, there are tax law loopholes in effect supporting outsourcing. Bush could change those laws, so that the companies have to pay much more taxes for outsourcing and discouraginh it by forcing companies to end up paying more than saving. Bush's logic on outsourcing is that it will save the coroprations so much money, that in the long run they will have more jobs. However, this plan does not take into account other consequences, like increased welfare reciption, decreased spending and other damages to economy during this period.
Finally, DO YOU REALLY THINK BUSH HAS NO INFLUENCE OVER THE FED? and ...........
Is it a coencidence that we are in such a huge deficit during his term? Did it just happen on it's own???
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