just lost my job to out sourcing

[SP33Demon]

Any moron who took Econ101 knows that outsourcing is good for our economy... it raises the standard of living as a whole... boohoo you lost your tech support job to someone in India! boohoo you lost your factory job to Mexico! Go back to school, get a new degree in something that's a little more secure than tech support (let's say, network security, gee that should be tough to crossover into lol), and stop complaining about your job that an ebola ridden chimp could do. $22/hr for Sprint tech support? You've gotta be kidding me, no wonder our country is so fat and lazy with zero work ethic... people who don't do sht get paid 2.5X their worth! And yet they wonder why their jobs went to India...

Yes, I know I know, you will tell me that no, not only are blue collar jobs going to India, but white collar as well! And what about the older people who cannot go back to school and get a degree?

First off, the white collar jobs such as engineers. Do you really believe that these people cannot find another job? That a computer programmer with 5-10 years experience cannot find another job? Please.

2nd, people who allegedly have been working at XYZ job for 20+ years. IF it's a white collar job, refer to above paragraph, and don't you think that a person could accumulate a large amount of savings over 20 years? Of course, this assumes that said person SAVED all 20 years for retirement. If not, that's his fault.
Same with blue collar workers, they had to have known their job wasn't that important and saved. The excuse that someone can't go back to school in their 30's or even 40's is BS, people are living longer, and more and more people are extending their educations as they get older. I'm willing to bet 85% of people could get financial aid in this country for college if they wanted to. And anyone above age 45/50 should have enough of a retirement savings so they should be able to survive IF they can't learn a new trade.

 

[spidey07]

First off, the white collar jobs such as engineers. Do you really believe that these people cannot find another job? That a computer programmer with 5-10 years experience cannot find another job? Please

ummm, many of my friends are in this position. 10 years experience, degree...fighting for entry level positions.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Exactly.

That is what you will have in the new America. A few Elite at the top (mostly those that are Board Members of the Megalith Corporations that benefit from Raping the U.S.) no middle and a monsterous third world poverty level population pilfering and killing for anything.

Way to go U.S. from "Cream of the Top" to "Scum of the World".

Great going :thumbsup:

If that's the "new America," kindly educate us as to what the CURRENT America has been since the dawn of industrialization? You must have been one of those clowns raving that the civilized society was going to end on 1/1/2000.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: spidey07

First off, the white collar jobs such as engineers. Do you really believe that these people cannot find another job? That a computer programmer with 5-10 years experience cannot find another job? Please

ummm, many of my friends are in this position. 10 years experience, degree...fighting for entry level positions.

wow

makes you feel lucky and work even harder huh

 

[lMlHuxley]

Originally posted by: beatmix01

Originally posted by: TwiceOver
Fask India. Every time I call Dell Tech support I have to ask "Can I speak with someone that speaks AMERICAN as their first language?". Thanx Dell for adding another 30min wait to my Support Calls.

someone that speaks AMERICAN? Since when is American a language?

English is the unoficial official language of the united states and you simply cannot deny that fact. To say that indian is more of the official language....or broken indian/english is laughable

 

[lMlHuxley]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: blodhi74
U know what .... rahter than banging my head with U guys ...... I will go to bed and and forget the lame excuses that were presented to me ... some of u lack the capacity of rational thinking .... so goes my faith in ATOT and 15 year olds that represent this fourum ..... good luck guys and gals in UR ventures

Ahh...I see. It's our fault you don't really understand economics and look to the government to solve your problems. :thumbsdown:

Unbelievable. This guy loses his job. First you guys bash him for being an overpaid call center worker. Then we find out that he is actually a software developer, and you guys still bash him like he deserved to get outsourced. The cons keep telling us that education is the answer, but if someone spends thousands and years getting programming education, and then the companies don't even think they are worth paying $22 for and fires a whole group, then what do you now say Americans should do? No matter what we learn, we aren't going to be 10 times more productive than a third world worker.

It's too bad that he lost his job, but to blame the government smacks of a lack of personal responsibility.

So becoming a programmer is now irresponsible? What would be a responsible thing for him to do? Get a cushy government job and leech off the taxpayers?

The responsible thing for him to do would suck it up and start looking for another job...not throwing blame around. I'm not attacking his chosen profession, I'm attacking his blame game and looking to the government to solve his problem(s).

So after 9/11 did you say, well we just gotta suck it up. It's just a price we got to pay for globalization and fast air travel :roll:
Why should we just sit idly by as our jobs are sent overseas and suck it up? Americans should look after themselves politically. If they need to take political actions to protect their jobs, that's what they should do. Protectionism, subsidies and tarrifs should not be off limits, if that's what it takes. Other countries subsidize healthcare, housing, etc for their citizens, but Americans have to be able to pay for all these things, and still be competitive? What's good for corporations is not always good for the workers. Sometimes, but not always. So if he wants to change the leadership in Washington for being ineffective in addressing these issues, that's his right, and he should do it.

Are you referring to the money we gave airlines to keep people employed and keep airlines afloat? Please say you are not referring to that. They gave that money to airlines and they stilled layed off every person and claimed they needed to keep the money in the company savings just in case something happened....the money wasn't used to employ anybody or keep a single persons job I hope you do realize that?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: spidey07

First off, the white collar jobs such as engineers. Do you really believe that these people cannot find another job? That a computer programmer with 5-10 years experience cannot find another job? Please

ummm, many of my friends are in this position. 10 years experience, degree...fighting for entry level positions.

Well, your friends are probably unwilling to relocate. A quick search on Monster.com had 4,224 jobs show up just for keyword "programmer". If they have a degree in CS that number probably doubles!Anyone with 10 years experience and a degree who cannot beat out college grads must be a moron. If he's out of work for more than 6 months he: a)doesn't give a dam and isn't looking b)isn't trying hard enough c)does not know about monster.com d)was programming in Swahili e)unwilling to relocate d) all of the above. Ask him, how bad does he want a job? How bad does he want to eat and have financial freedom. Is he a slacker? All of these questions come into play when you say "many of my friends have 10 years XP, degree, and are fighting for entry level jobs".

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: spidey07

First off, the white collar jobs such as engineers. Do you really believe that these people cannot find another job? That a computer programmer with 5-10 years experience cannot find another job? Please

ummm, many of my friends are in this position. 10 years experience, degree...fighting for entry level positions.

Well, your friends are probably unwilling to relocate. Is he a slacker? All of these questions come into play when you say "many of my friends have 10 years XP, degree, and are fighting for entry level jobs".

Ah yes, if you don't like being a Nomad in the new America you are a "Slacker". :roll:

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: spidey07

First off, the white collar jobs such as engineers. Do you really believe that these people cannot find another job? That a computer programmer with 5-10 years experience cannot find another job? Please

ummm, many of my friends are in this position. 10 years experience, degree...fighting for entry level positions.

Well, your friends are probably unwilling to relocate. Is he a slacker? All of these questions come into play when you say "many of my friends have 10 years XP, degree, and are fighting for entry level jobs".

Ah yes, if you don't like being a Nomad in the new America you are a "Slacker". :roll:

Please spare me the sob story... do you expect to obtain a dream job right next to your local 7-11, or better yet, employers should want to hire you in your own house via telecommute b/c you're so special? :roll:

I took a job out of college 4 hours from where I'm originally from, and would have traveled hundreds of miles and relocate just to get the initial experience under my belt. It's called ambition and passion. If you aren't willing to do that and think that a job will just mysteriously appear next to your house, then more power to you. But don't btch and whine and say that our economy is going to sht, and all of the jobs in your field are now overseas, when there's tens of thousands of jobs available but you don't have the balls to relocate.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: TwiceOver
Fask India. Every time I call Dell Tech support I have to ask "Can I speak with someone that speaks AMERICAN as their first language?". Thanx Dell for adding another 30min wait to my Support Calls.

The reason behind this is that I had to restate my "Express" service code 4 flabbing times before they figured it out. After that I didn't want to deal with them.

Why doesn't anyone here do anything more to the companies to complain about stuff like this???? People just sit there and take it for hours on end.

 

[lMlHuxley]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: spidey07

First off, the white collar jobs such as engineers. Do you really believe that these people cannot find another job? That a computer programmer with 5-10 years experience cannot find another job? Please

ummm, many of my friends are in this position. 10 years experience, degree...fighting for entry level positions.

Well, your friends are probably unwilling to relocate. Is he a slacker? All of these questions come into play when you say "many of my friends have 10 years XP, degree, and are fighting for entry level jobs".

Ah yes, if you don't like being a Nomad in the new America you are a "Slacker". :roll:

Please spare me the sob story... do you expect to obtain a dream job right next to your local 7-11, or better yet, employers should want to hire you in your own house via telecommute b/c you're so special? :roll:

I took a job out of college 4 hours from where I'm originally from, and would have traveled hundreds of miles and relocate just to get the initial experience under my belt. It's called ambition and passion. If you aren't willing to do that and think that a job will just mysteriously appear next to your house, then more power to you. But don't btch and whine and say that our economy is going to sht, and all of the jobs in your field are now overseas, when there's tens of thousands of jobs available but you don't have the balls to relocate.

I prefer to live close to a huge city so the options area laways out there...hence the popularity of suburbs...

 

[Metron]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: spidey07

First off, the white collar jobs such as engineers. Do you really believe that these people cannot find another job? That a computer programmer with 5-10 years experience cannot find another job? Please

ummm, many of my friends are in this position. 10 years experience, degree...fighting for entry level positions.

Well, your friends are probably unwilling to relocate. Is he a slacker? All of these questions come into play when you say "many of my friends have 10 years XP, degree, and are fighting for entry level jobs".

Ah yes, if you don't like being a Nomad in the new America you are a "Slacker". :roll:

Please spare me the sob story... do you expect to obtain a dream job right next to your local 7-11, or better yet, employers should want to hire you in your own house via telecommute b/c you're so special? :roll:

I took a job out of college 4 hours from where I'm originally from, and would have traveled hundreds of miles and relocate just to get the initial experience under my belt. It's called ambition and passion. If you aren't willing to do that and think that a job will just mysteriously appear next to your house, then more power to you. But don't btch and whine and say that our economy is going to sht, and all of the jobs in your field are now overseas, when there's tens of thousands of jobs available but you don't have the balls to relocate.

Sp33d,

You're out of touch with reality. Dream job? People are struggling to find any job at all.

I've seen too many people from the IT industry (and others) having to take jobs at their "...local 7-11..." and other odd jobs just to take gainful employment. They are not slackers or idiots, they don't lack ambition or passion, they are just people trying to work. My eldest brother lost his job as a Sales Manager for a Jaguar dealership. He's now selling mattresses to make ends meet.

Go into any Fry's. The majority of employees there are displaced IT workers... now making just over minimum wage.

I'm one of the lucky IT workers still employed. I get dozens of resumes every week from people begging for a job. For every open position, there are hundreds of candidates.

*edit* Got off my rant to read your profile... Navy/military/government job that can't be outsourced due to security concerns. Let's all get government jobs.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: blodhi74
I work for SprintPCS as a trouble specialist in chicago and I went to work today and the VC of the compney was there with a big annocement ..... the are closing the center on Aug 3 and moving 1100 positions to India ... people in my field make $22+ an hour and the the people in India will make less than $2 per HR ..... been with Sprint for 3 1/2 years and we are all getting the shaft .... managers and all .... I am very capable of getting a new job but the way me and my fellow workers are being treated is driving me nuts ...... thank U GW ...... fu*k fighting over oil and take care of the Tax Payers and the citizens of this fair land.... I will not vote for GW...... I am a 2nd generation immigrant and belive in american way of life ..... it pisses me off when people have anti american views ...... thats my rant for today.

Sorry that you lost your job and all dude, but that IS the American way of life. Capitalism and lassez-faire and all that. It's practically the definition of American. This is EXACTLY what the cold war was about. If you want the government to come in and artificially interfere with the economy to protect your job, that's a very communist thing to do. Sorry...

 

[lMlHuxley]

Also, sprint is NOTORIOUS for this kind of actions. They have been having huge layoffs for years. Hundereds of thousands of them actually. I work with a guy who used to be a higher up in the company and said he quit because he simply could not look the employees in the eye anymore because they would have to lay off people in such large chunks. 10,000 to 40,000 employees at once. Maybe it is just crappy management or just a plain crappy company all together. They are definately not winning the cell phone market and are barely even in it so it seems. They used to be hot now they are certainly not and must resort to these tactics to turn over a profit I imagine. Working at sprint I would have been keeping my options open.

 

[Abhi]

Sorry to hear that blodhi...

Hope you get out of the mess asap.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Metron

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: spidey07

First off, the white collar jobs such as engineers. Do you really believe that these people cannot find another job? That a computer programmer with 5-10 years experience cannot find another job? Please

ummm, many of my friends are in this position. 10 years experience, degree...fighting for entry level positions.

Well, your friends are probably unwilling to relocate. Is he a slacker? All of these questions come into play when you say "many of my friends have 10 years XP, degree, and are fighting for entry level jobs".

Ah yes, if you don't like being a Nomad in the new America you are a "Slacker". :roll:

Please spare me the sob story... do you expect to obtain a dream job right next to your local 7-11, or better yet, employers should want to hire you in your own house via telecommute b/c you're so special? :roll:

I took a job out of college 4 hours from where I'm originally from, and would have traveled hundreds of miles and relocate just to get the initial experience under my belt. It's called ambition and passion. If you aren't willing to do that and think that a job will just mysteriously appear next to your house, then more power to you. But don't btch and whine and say that our economy is going to sht, and all of the jobs in your field are now overseas, when there's tens of thousands of jobs available but you don't have the balls to relocate.

Sp33d,

You're out of touch with reality. Dream job? People are struggling to find any job at all.

I've seen too many people from the IT industry (and others) having to take jobs at their "...local 7-11..." and other odd jobs just to take gainful employment. They are not slackers or idiots, they don't lack ambition or passion, they are just people trying to work. My eldest brother lost his job as a Sales Manager for a Jaguar dealership. He's now selling mattresses to make ends meet.

Go into any Fry's. The majority of employees there are displaced IT workers... now making just over minimum wage.

I'm one of the lucky IT workers still employed. I get dozens of resumes every week from people begging for a job. For every open position, there are hundreds of candidates.

*edit* Got off my rant to read your profile... Navy/military/government job that can't be outsourced due to security concerns. Let's all get government jobs.

So your friends working at 7-11, the Jag dealership, and Fry's all had 10-20 years XP in their field, and have a degree? If not, they should pursue an advanced degree, or go for another bachelor's that may be more secure like medicine, accounting, chem eng, etc... they will say they don't have the money, yet I was loaned about 40K in 5.5 years of college since my parents were poor and couldn't afford it. Yeah I'm in debt now, but I have a decent job and can pay the bills/loans off w/out much problem (loans are at a really low interest rate, around 4-5% now). If I was unemployed I would be in grad school. If I had 10-20 years and my degree, I'd be making double what I make now and living large...

Are they willing to relocate? Many times, they aren't, so they don't even apply.

I agree, for every published position there are hundreds of applicants... But many jobs are also obtained through networking and are unpublished. Have they gone to job fairs, and tried to network with companies in their field? Have they even tried cold calling/emailing resumes at places they'd like to work? I had to send out 60 resumes just to get my internship, but it turned into a job in an economy even worse than this one (winter 2002). I had 0 years experience, and was a college junior who got an internship paying 12/hr. My GPA was roughly 2.5, but I wowed them with knowledge of my field in the interview, so that didn't matter.

No, I don't directly work for military/gov, I'm a contractor and our contract could be canceled at any given time. Our team has already shrunken from 14 to 5 people, and 9 people (out of 34 total) have been laid off the contract already, including two other contractors that worked in conjunction with us. My company and one other are the only ones left now.

Also, how many people who do get outsourced, find a job within a year after the layoff? Funny how they never show us these stats either. Guaranteed many of them found jobs similar to what they did, relocated, and are in decent shape today. But you never see or hear about this, you only hear what the sensationalized media wants you to hear: Outsourcing is bad, the companies who do it are bad, and "permanent" jobs are lost. Any educated Econ person will tell you no, outsourcing is not bad in the long run. It raises our standard of living, and weeds out the weak. Your friends may be unemployed now, but guaranteed it's only temporary, and only they hold the key to a better job/future by getting off the couch and doing something about it. You reap what you sow...

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: spidey07

First off, the white collar jobs such as engineers. Do you really believe that these people cannot find another job? That a computer programmer with 5-10 years experience cannot find another job? Please

ummm, many of my friends are in this position. 10 years experience, degree...fighting for entry level positions.

Well, your friends are probably unwilling to relocate. Is he a slacker? All of these questions come into play when you say "many of my friends have 10 years XP, degree, and are fighting for entry level jobs".

Ah yes, if you don't like being a Nomad in the new America you are a "Slacker". :roll:

Please spare me the sob story... do you expect to obtain a dream job right next to your local 7-11, or better yet, employers should want to hire you in your own house via telecommute b/c you're so special? :roll:

I took a job out of college 4 hours from where I'm originally from, and would have traveled hundreds of miles and relocate just to get the initial experience under my belt. It's called ambition and passion. If you aren't willing to do that and think that a job will just mysteriously appear next to your house, then more power to you. But don't btch and whine and say that our economy is going to sht, and all of the jobs in your field are now overseas, when there's tens of thousands of jobs available but you don't have the balls to relocate.

Some people have families and relocating "just to have a job" is a little far fetched. I see you are at the point in your life where career is everything...maybe that will change one day. When you have no ties its easy to do that, but more difficult once you have built a life for yourself/family, etc.

Also keep in mind how difficult it is to take a tremendous pay cut, being at what is supposed to be the peak of ones career and going entry level...IF they can even get it.

OK, after reading your post its pretty obvious you don't have obligations many adults do. So I understand your perspective now.

Gee Honey, I hope you understand but I'm going to grad school for the next two years. We'll drain our 401k in order to feed you and the children, pay the mortgage, etc.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Metron

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: spidey07

First off, the white collar jobs such as engineers. Do you really believe that these people cannot find another job? That a computer programmer with 5-10 years experience cannot find another job? Please

ummm, many of my friends are in this position. 10 years experience, degree...fighting for entry level positions.

Well, your friends are probably unwilling to relocate. Is he a slacker? All of these questions come into play when you say "many of my friends have 10 years XP, degree, and are fighting for entry level jobs".

Ah yes, if you don't like being a Nomad in the new America you are a "Slacker". :roll:

Please spare me the sob story... do you expect to obtain a dream job right next to your local 7-11, or better yet, employers should want to hire you in your own house via telecommute b/c you're so special? :roll:

I took a job out of college 4 hours from where I'm originally from, and would have traveled hundreds of miles and relocate just to get the initial experience under my belt. It's called ambition and passion. If you aren't willing to do that and think that a job will just mysteriously appear next to your house, then more power to you. But don't btch and whine and say that our economy is going to sht, and all of the jobs in your field are now overseas, when there's tens of thousands of jobs available but you don't have the balls to relocate.

Sp33d,

You're out of touch with reality. Dream job? People are struggling to find any job at all.

I've seen too many people from the IT industry (and others) having to take jobs at their "...local 7-11..." and other odd jobs just to take gainful employment. They are not slackers or idiots, they don't lack ambition or passion, they are just people trying to work. My eldest brother lost his job as a Sales Manager for a Jaguar dealership. He's now selling mattresses to make ends meet.

Go into any Fry's. The majority of employees there are displaced IT workers... now making just over minimum wage.

I'm one of the lucky IT workers still employed. I get dozens of resumes every week from people begging for a job. For every open position, there are hundreds of candidates.

*edit* Got off my rant to read your profile... Navy/military/government job that can't be outsourced due to security concerns. Let's all get government jobs.

Serious pwnage. Nice job Metron :thumbsup:

 

[Hammer]

good reading

 

[lMlHuxley]

I work in IT and am finishing up college with a degree in journalism. People always need people to write and people are always going to be using computers. Diversify yourself, be skilled in multiple fields instead of putting everything you got into one basket. You would never bet your life savings in one hand of poker so why bet your life on one career field. Thats how I feel about that anyway.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Some people have families and relocating "just to have a job" is a little far fetched. I see you are at the point in your life where career is everything...maybe that will change one day. When you have no ties its easy to do that, but more difficult once you have built a life for yourself/family, etc.

Also keep in mind how difficult it is to take a tremendous pay cut, being at what is supposed to be the peak of ones career and going entry level...IF they can even get it.

OK, after reading your post its pretty obvious you don't have obligations many adults do. So I understand your perspective now.

Gee Honey, I hope you understand but I'm going to grad school for the next two years. We'll drain our 401k in order to feed you and the children, pay the mortgage, etc.

I understand the family perspective as well, and that it can be emotionally tougher, but that's life, suck it up. Seriously, you mean to tell me that a family man, such as the OP, will be stuck working at 7-11 for the rest of his life b/c some no good, lousy corporation exported his job? A man (and I use that term loosely b/c I don't know any of u) of the household with 10 or more years XP and a degree, cannot find an entry level job in his field??? Wtf was he doing, basketweaving or ditch digging?

So fast forward 25 years later, and the OP will be working in BK or McD's, and has been ever since he was laid off? You've gotta be kidding me. IF it's a dire situation where BOTH the mom and/or dad have lost their jobs, you're telling me that they won't relocate? That's all they can do, besides working at WalMart for the rest of their lives, unless they find another job to replace the one they just lost in their immediate environment. Either relocate for another job, find a comparable job in the immediate area, settle for a lesser job, or take out loans and go back to school. Correct me if I'm wrong, but many households, when in a desparate situation, will relocate or have to upgrade their skills (going back to "grad school"). It's that or working at WalMart for the rest of their lives...

So in reality, it doesn't matter WHAT or WHERE you are in life or the "ties" you have, if you lose your job you only have a couple of options. You can rag on me all you want for being "career driven", but anyone who has "ties" is in the same situation as me if they lose their job. I will relocate or upgrade my skills, as will they. Unless you prefer working at WalMart for the rest of your life, then by all means, whatever floats your boat...

 

[Metron]

Sp33d,

I agree with most of what you're saying, and I don't know the answer to improving the current economic climate. That being said, I disagree with your assessment that the economic status quo is a tale spun up by a sensationalistic media.

I'm tired of people putting their heads in the sand and denying there is a problem. I sympathize with the former steel, auto, defense, and telecom workers that have gone through similar troublesome economic times. To dispute your assertions otherwise, the people having difficulty finding entry level jobs are IT workers with degrees and plenty(decades, certifications,etc) of experience in their field.

I agree that you do what you must to survive. Most of the people I know that are un- or under-employed have college degrees (my previously mentioned brother has a marketing degree from SMU and decades of experience). I'll admit I'm cynical. I've survived for nearly two decades in IT by jumping among various industries. I agree that if the economy shifts, you'll have to move.

By the way, the date of general availability for Windows XP was December 31, 2001. If you know anybody claiming 10 years of experience in XP, he's not too credible... nor are your assertions.

Hammer's "characterization" (it's just a link to a website that he probably didn't author) that my opinions are rascist is humorous. Americans are multi-racial, and the people losing jobs are African-American, American Indian, Asian, Middle Eastern (even though no EEOC category exists with this classification), etc.

 

[lMlHuxley]

Originally posted by: Metron
Sp33d,

I agree with most of what you're saying, and I don't know the answer to improving the current economic climate. That being said, I disagree with your assessment that the economic status quo is a tale spun up by a sensationalistic media.

I'm tired of people putting their heads in the sand and denying there is a problem. I sympathize with the former steel, auto, defense, and telecom workers that have gone through similar troublesome economic times. To dispute your assertions otherwise, the people having difficulty finding entry level jobs are IT workers with degrees and plenty(decades, certifications,etc) of experience in their field.

I agree that you do what you must to survive. Most of the people I know that are un- or under-employed have college degrees (my previously mentioned brother has a marketing degree from SMU and decades of experience). I'll admit I'm cynical. I've survived for nearly two decades in IT by jumping among various industries. I agree that if the economy shifts, you'll have to move.

By the way, the date of general availability for Windows XP was December 31, 2001. If you know anybody claiming 10 years of experience in XP, he's not too credible... nor are your assertions.

Hammer's "characterization" (it's just a link to a website that he probably didn't author) that my opinions are rascist is humorous. Americans are multi-racial, and the people losing jobs are African-American, American Indian, Asian, Middle Eastern (even though no EEOC category exists with this classification), etc.

errr I think by XP he meant experience in the field...not windows xp...are you sure you are employed haha jk 🙂

 

[welst10]

Originally posted by: lMlHuxley

Originally posted by: Metron
Sp33d,

I agree with most of what you're saying, and I don't know the answer to improving the current economic climate. That being said, I disagree with your assessment that the economic status quo is a tale spun up by a sensationalistic media.

I'm tired of people putting their heads in the sand and denying there is a problem. I sympathize with the former steel, auto, defense, and telecom workers that have gone through similar troublesome economic times. To dispute your assertions otherwise, the people having difficulty finding entry level jobs are IT workers with degrees and plenty(decades, certifications,etc) of experience in their field.

I agree that you do what you must to survive. Most of the people I know that are un- or under-employed have college degrees (my previously mentioned brother has a marketing degree from SMU and decades of experience). I'll admit I'm cynical. I've survived for nearly two decades in IT by jumping among various industries. I agree that if the economy shifts, you'll have to move.

By the way, the date of general availability for Windows XP was December 31, 2001. If you know anybody claiming 10 years of experience in XP, he's not too credible... nor are your assertions.

Hammer's "characterization" (it's just a link to a website that he probably didn't author) that my opinions are rascist is humorous. Americans are multi-racial, and the people losing jobs are African-American, American Indian, Asian, Middle Eastern (even though no EEOC category exists with this classification), etc.

errr I think by XP he meant experience in the field...not windows xp...are you sure you are employed haha jk 🙂

He thought it's windows XP, ROFLMAO

 

[Metron]

Originally posted by: lMlHuxley

Originally posted by: Metron
Sp33d,

I agree with most of what you're saying, and I don't know the answer to improving the current economic climate. That being said, I disagree with your assessment that the economic status quo is a tale spun up by a sensationalistic media.

I'm tired of people putting their heads in the sand and denying there is a problem. I sympathize with the former steel, auto, defense, and telecom workers that have gone through similar troublesome economic times. To dispute your assertions otherwise, the people having difficulty finding entry level jobs are IT workers with degrees and plenty(decades, certifications,etc) of experience in their field.

I agree that you do what you must to survive. Most of the people I know that are un- or under-employed have college degrees (my previously mentioned brother has a marketing degree from SMU and decades of experience). I'll admit I'm cynical. I've survived for nearly two decades in IT by jumping among various industries. I agree that if the economy shifts, you'll have to move.

By the way, the date of general availability for Windows XP was December 31, 2001. If you know anybody claiming 10 years of experience in XP, he's not too credible... nor are your assertions.

Hammer's "characterization" (it's just a link to a website that he probably didn't author) that my opinions are rascist is humorous. Americans are multi-racial, and the people losing jobs are African-American, American Indian, Asian, Middle Eastern (even though no EEOC category exists with this classification), etc.

errr I think by XP he meant experience in the field...not windows xp...are you sure you are employed haha jk 🙂

LOL... got me there. Trying to read too much into his post! I offer my apologies to Sp33Demon.

Metron

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