Just got a C for my final grade in a class

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: rocadelpunk

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: rocadelpunk
Homework is rarely just busywork, maybe if you are in an intro course, but the majority of classes it reinforces concepts and puts it into long term memory. My point being, homework is an important part of the grade, as important as a test score or lab...it demonstrates proficiency throughout the term.

It's interesting how you state reinforcing concepts and putting it into long term memory. Those two seem like the very two qualities that are neglected by schools today. When was the last time your math class asked conceptual problems or explained how each of the theories learned works? Instead, math classes are taught with magical equations meant to be memorized for the test. Teachers and professors arbitrarily state out equations for you to copy down, and you're sent home to use these equations to practice doing problems. Where are the concepts in that? Learning concepts is what puts things into long term memory. When was the last time you've met someone that remembered what they learned in calculus class? Most people forget it less than a year after they take it. That has to do with how ineffective the homework is, not if they did it or not.
You should read this little page on epistemology, it'll explain to you how ass backwards the traditional education system is
But unfortunately, you're probably like most that can't think outside of the box and just accepts common wisdom.

That paragraph is ridden with so much fallacy, it's almost impossible to even begin tackling.

forgetting something after a year doesn't mean the homework or teaching was ineffective. It probably means that you haven't touched or thought of the material.

I'm not gonna go into why you just started talking about lously teachers, or taking my words out of context or began talking about rote memorization.


Yes, I agree, there are many things currently wrong with the education system.

I would like to think I'm actually quite creative, at least most professors have noted that about me. This is coming from someone who has been successful at electrical engineering, yet switched to pure math and loves to write papers.

From your remarks...your age is pretty obvious. My advice, coming from a senior and as others have stated...

do the work.

Translation:
I'm too fvcking inane to respond to your argument, so I'm going to make a few attacks, assert my seniority, and leave it at that.

The burden of proof is still upon you on how homework is supposed to reinforce concepts and put things into long term memory.
As far as I know, doing a page of math problems by plugging numbers into equations doesn't build concepts.
In fact, I can't think of any homework in my current classes that's focused on building concepts. They all seem to be focused on practicing doing problems for tests. It's helpful for acing exams, but it's not too helpful in having a good understanding of the material.
Just knowing the dot product is |a||b|costheta, and being able to plug it in will allow you to ace that part on the exam. But understanding how it's derived with by trig, and how it can be used to find magnitude of two vectors makes it MUCH more effective. Frankly, no one really cares about the latter. The link I provided is a testament to that.

So it all goes back to dethman's argument. It's unfortunate that it's like this, but that's the way it is. You should do your work because no one cares that it's fvcked up.
That's the real reason, and the only reason to do busy work.. period.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: postmortemIA

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
I got a C(77%) in my chem class.
Got an 87% on the final, 88% average on lab, 75% average on exams. But here's the kicker, I have a 40% average on homework that accounts for 15% of my grade. If it weren't for the homework, I would be getting a B, easily. The homework involves copying answers from the back of the book, so it's not like it proves my competency in the class.
I'm going to talk to the science dean about it, see if I could get my grade bumped up.
Has anyone been in a similar situation?

It is your fault, stop blaming somebody else and looking for excuses.

Exactly how much college have you been through?

If you've been there even a couple of quarters, you should know that EVERY grade you get is up for debate in some way or another. If you want to settle with your C's, that's fine, but if you want a B bad enough, there are ways to get it. Nothing is in stone in college.

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: DainBramaged
My lowest was an A++++++++++++++++++++.

It came from a fellow ebay member. I was like, damn, only 20 pluses? How did I slip up? Oh well.

It's what you get for mailing me a brick...instead of the pron.

Didn't stop you from getting your jollies off to it.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

what kind of classes do you people who say C are bad take? In most science classes, 2/3 of the class usually ends up with a c.

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: postmortemIA

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
I got a C(77%) in my chem class.
Got an 87% on the final, 88% average on lab, 75% average on exams. But here's the kicker, I have a 40% average on homework that accounts for 15% of my grade. If it weren't for the homework, I would be getting a B, easily. The homework involves copying answers from the back of the book, so it's not like it proves my competency in the class.
I'm going to talk to the science dean about it, see if I could get my grade bumped up.
Has anyone been in a similar situation?

It is your fault, stop blaming somebody else and looking for excuses.

:roll:
It's not about who's fault or who's to blame(did I even blame anyone?). It's about being rational.
Your grade isn't there to reflect your effort, it's there to reflect how well you understand the material. I haven't had one single professor that wouldn't have given me a B based on my final grade/lab grade.
My physics professor dropped my homework grade, as it dropped my overall grade by 5%. My last chem professor gave me a B since I had an 88% exam average, but a 15% homework average.
Your kind of thinking is what's wrong with the education system. The education system is about learning, not doing a bunch of busy work.

Well, you obviously don't understand the material that well if you got a 75 average on the exams. Stop being a little prima donna and do your fvcking homework.

 

[allisolm]

but you just make yourself look dumber every time.

The only one who looks dumb is the one who couldn't follow directions and copy the answers from the back of the book and who got a C on account of it.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: allisolm
but you just make yourself look dumber every time.

The only one who looks dumb is the one who couldn't follow directions and copy the answers from the back of the book and who got a C on account of it.

Yup, I'm plenty dumb for not wasting 18 hours of my life copying 15 pages of bullshit that contributes little to my understanding of the subject. You're right, it's quite dumb being purpose driven these days. It's all about following directions, or should I say, doing all the bullshit you're told to do. Fvck the purpose.
I'm just glad I only had to put up with one professor out of the three years of my college career with this mindset.

 

[rh71]

I still have recurring nightmares that I fail a class in my very last semester and have to go another semester to complete 1 course and my degree. It's been 7 years since I graduated too...

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: allisolm
but you just make yourself look dumber every time.

The only one who looks dumb is the one who couldn't follow directions and copy the answers from the back of the book and who got a C on account of it.

Yup, I'm plenty dumb for not wasting 18 hours of my life copying 15 pages of bullshit that contributes little to my understanding of the subject. You're right, it's quite dumb being purpose driven these days. It's all about following directions, or should I say, doing all the bullshit you're told to do. Fvck the purpose.
I'm just glad I only had to put up with one professor out of the three years of my college career with this mindset.

Guess what, you still got a C!

mwahahahaha

 

[FusionKnight]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: raildogg
It feels bad. How are you all doing?

C is bad. more effort next time.

C is "satisfactory". D is "unsatisfactory". F is "bad". No?

FK

 

[ebaycj]

C's get degrees. D's apparently also get degrees. F's do not.

 

[postmortemIA]

B- is last decent grade, everything below it is bad.

 

[ngvepforever2]

It seems I put too much effort this semester into my AI class and there was nothing left for the rest. So far, I have an A in AI, a B in another class. I took three finals yesterday, I will see how I did...but I am not expecting much. This is the first time since I started college that I really felt the burden of working almost full time and going to school full time. I had around 20 projects combined this semester. At least something due everyweek, then I had projects at work, but my supervisor was nice enought to give me the last 2 weeks to study (but I used up the first week to finish a project for my AI class that was given at the last minute, a tricky one too). I really feel bad though, somehow I think I could have done better. I think I need a , anyone wanna give me one?

Regards

ng

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: ngvepforever2
It seems I put too much effort this semester into my AI class and there was nothing left for the rest. So far, I have an A in AI, a B in another class. I took three finals yesterday, I will see how I did...but I am not expecting much. This is the first time since I started college that I really felt the burden of working almost full time and going to school full time. I had around 20 projects combined this semester. At least something due everyweek, then I had projects at work, but my supervisor was nice enought to give me the last 2 weeks to study (but I used up the first week to finish a project for my AI class that was given at the last minute, a tricky one too). I really feel bad though, somehow I think I could have done better. I think I need a , anyone wanna give me one?

Regards

ng

Which makes you an irrational agent.

 

[interchange]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: postmortemIA

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
I got a C(77%) in my chem class.
Got an 87% on the final, 88% average on lab, 75% average on exams. But here's the kicker, I have a 40% average on homework that accounts for 15% of my grade. If it weren't for the homework, I would be getting a B, easily. The homework involves copying answers from the back of the book, so it's not like it proves my competency in the class.
I'm going to talk to the science dean about it, see if I could get my grade bumped up.
Has anyone been in a similar situation?

It is your fault, stop blaming somebody else and looking for excuses.

:roll:
It's not about who's fault or who's to blame(did I even blame anyone?). It's about being rational.
Your grade isn't there to reflect your effort, it's there to reflect how well you understand the material. I haven't had one single professor that wouldn't have given me a B based on my final grade/lab grade.
My physics professor dropped my homework grade, as it dropped my overall grade by 5%. My last chem professor gave me a B since I had an 88% exam average, but a 15% homework average.
Your kind of thinking is what's wrong with the education system. The education system is about learning, not doing a bunch of busy work.

Well, you obviously don't understand the material that well if you got a 75 average on the exams. Stop being a little prima donna and do your fvcking homework.

Real life requires understanding AND work. It is the professor's prerogative if he wants to grade you on work ethic and how much he wants it to count. You knew the policy going in, so your grade is perfectly fair.

Interestingly enough, I bet you would have done all of it if it were "extra credit". The amount of work you put into this class is purely psychological. In real life, if you can find out ways to motivate yourself to do something you know has very little value but is still necessary, then you will be 1000 steps ahead of your peers.

 

[ngvepforever2]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: ngvepforever2
It seems I put too much effort this semester into my AI class and there was nothing left for the rest. So far, I have an A in AI, a B in another class. I took three finals yesterday, I will see how I did...but I am not expecting much. This is the first time since I started college that I really felt the burden of working almost full time and going to school full time. I had around 20 projects combined this semester. At least something due everyweek, then I had projects at work, but my supervisor was nice enought to give me the last 2 weeks to study (but I used up the first week to finish a project for my AI class that was given at the last minute, a tricky one too). I really feel bad though, somehow I think I could have done better. I think I need a , anyone wanna give me one?

Regards

ng

Which makes you an irrational agent.

More like in the genetic algorithm , my neural networks learned that stuff for AI was more fun than the other classes and gave it a good score, then the best scores became the new parents and the other scores (meaning my other classes) were discarded (killed), it probably ran about 100 generations and in the end all the scores from AI won.
Yeap, I know...I should have mutated it my score...my bad .
The thing I am most prouf of though, is the connect four player I wrote in the end, with only one week left before the finals and busy with job-related work. It ended up pulling second place in my class tournament. It still beats me everytime I play against it.
Now.....cookie please?

Regards

ng

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: ngvepforever2

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: ngvepforever2
It seems I put too much effort this semester into my AI class and there was nothing left for the rest. So far, I have an A in AI, a B in another class. I took three finals yesterday, I will see how I did...but I am not expecting much. This is the first time since I started college that I really felt the burden of working almost full time and going to school full time. I had around 20 projects combined this semester. At least something due everyweek, then I had projects at work, but my supervisor was nice enought to give me the last 2 weeks to study (but I used up the first week to finish a project for my AI class that was given at the last minute, a tricky one too). I really feel bad though, somehow I think I could have done better. I think I need a , anyone wanna give me one?

Regards

ng

Which makes you an irrational agent.

More like in the genetic algorithm , my neural networks learned that stuff for AI was more fun than the other classes and gave it a good score, then the best scores became the new parents and the other scores (meaning my other classes) were discarded (killed), it probably ran about 100 generations and in the end all the scores from AI won.
Yeap, I know...I should have mutated it my score...my bad .
The thing I am most prouf of though, is the connect four player I wrote in the end, with only one week left before the finals and busy with job-related work. It ended up pulling second place in my class tournament. It still beats me everytime I play against it.
Now.....cookie please?

Regards

ng

You should have adjusted the fitness function to make it even out a little more.

 

[chr6]

not sure yet, hopefully got an A or two out of 3 classes.

 

[SirStev0]

Just got back from my E&M final... Currently seeing if it is possible to pass with a 33% of the final... because I am pretty sure that is about how I did.

 

[ngvepforever2]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: ngvepforever2

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: ngvepforever2
It seems I put too much effort this semester into my AI class and there was nothing left for the rest. So far, I have an A in AI, a B in another class. I took three finals yesterday, I will see how I did...but I am not expecting much. This is the first time since I started college that I really felt the burden of working almost full time and going to school full time. I had around 20 projects combined this semester. At least something due everyweek, then I had projects at work, but my supervisor was nice enought to give me the last 2 weeks to study (but I used up the first week to finish a project for my AI class that was given at the last minute, a tricky one too). I really feel bad though, somehow I think I could have done better. I think I need a , anyone wanna give me one?

Regards

ng

Which makes you an irrational agent.

More like in the genetic algorithm , my neural networks learned that stuff for AI was more fun than the other classes and gave it a good score, then the best scores became the new parents and the other scores (meaning my other classes) were discarded (killed), it probably ran about 100 generations and in the end all the scores from AI won.
Yeap, I know...I should have :beer:mutated it my score...my bad .
The thing I am most prouf of though, is the connect four player I wrote in the end, with only one week left before the finals and busy with job-related work. It ended up pulling second place in my class tournament. It still beats me everytime I play against it.
Now.....cookie please?

Regards

ng

You should have adjusted the fitness function to make it even out a little more.

we could go on all day...the neural network gave out the score for fitness! my neural network was too smart...maybe I should have changed alpha . All I am looking for is a holiday or a good :beer:

Regards

ng

 

[Gdepp519]

I think i earned a Z- once.

i scored so poorly on the test my prof.. just wrote a Z on it.

haha he's madd cool and let me have a retake.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

You changed your name to astroidea?

 

[Schadenfroh]

3.0 GPA this semester, not too bad considering I had Organic chem 351 (and its lab), Genetics. I got a freaking C in Freshman calc, but a B in Organic Chem 351? WTF

 

[st33ve0]

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: ngvepforever2

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: ngvepforever2

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: ngvepforever2
It seems I put too much effort this semester into my AI class and there was nothing left for the rest. So far, I have an A in AI, a B in another class. I took three finals yesterday, I will see how I did...but I am not expecting much. This is the first time since I started college that I really felt the burden of working almost full time and going to school full time. I had around 20 projects combined this semester. At least something due everyweek, then I had projects at work, but my supervisor was nice enought to give me the last 2 weeks to study (but I used up the first week to finish a project for my AI class that was given at the last minute, a tricky one too). I really feel bad though, somehow I think I could have done better. I think I need a , anyone wanna give me one?

Regards

ng

Which makes you an irrational agent.

More like in the genetic algorithm , my neural networks learned that stuff for AI was more fun than the other classes and gave it a good score, then the best scores became the new parents and the other scores (meaning my other classes) were discarded (killed), it probably ran about 100 generations and in the end all the scores from AI won.
Yeap, I know...I should have :beer:mutated it my score...my bad .
The thing I am most prouf of though, is the connect four player I wrote in the end, with only one week left before the finals and busy with job-related work. It ended up pulling second place in my class tournament. It still beats me everytime I play against it.
Now.....cookie please?

Regards

ng

You should have adjusted the fitness function to make it even out a little more.

we could go on all day...the neural network gave out the score for fitness! my neural network was too smart...maybe I should have changed alpha . All I am looking for is a holiday or a good :beer:

Regards

ng

my cpu is a neural net processor, a learning computer