Judge: Conceal carry is NOT a right.

[xj0hnx]

Proof?

Here's proof of my earlier assertion:

http://forums.gunbroker.com/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=8

Just about every post in that forum.

...or this forum...

http://www.northwestfirearms.com/le...ma-will-target-gun-ownership-second-term.html

Have you ever even *been* to a gun forum?

Yea, I've been on plenty of them, now please prove you statement. Linking to a gun forum isn't proof of your statement that lots of gun owners have a "persecution complex" that is rarely based on facts. Are you implying that politicians don't try to make laws to infringe on gun owners rights? Or that there isn't an agenda to demonize inanimate objects, and make guns "scary"?

Free speech can cause more damage than me carrying a gun.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Not in mine.

And yet we have among the lowest accident rate, 18th lowest homicide w/firearm rate, and among the highest carry rates. We're also the second oldest concealed carry state.

What I'm driving at is, how is it exactly that requiring a class/range time is going to have significant impact on anything when we're doing better than most without it? Mind you, I don't really care if they require it...it would make us equivalent to other states and might open up some reciprocity. I just question why you think it would be a win for safety or anti-gunners.

 

[xj0hnx]

There should be an aptitude test.

That's it.

That's what "gun control" I would like to see.

Should you have to take an aptitude test to be able to exercise free speech? so the following aren't good enough ...

You must meet all of the following requirements to get a concealed pistol license:

• Be 21 years of age or older at time of application.
• Be a United States citizen or a permanent resident alien with permanent resident card or “green card.”
• Have no pending trial, appeal, or sentencing on a charge that would prohibit you from having a license.
• Have no outstanding warrants for any charge, from any court.
• Have no court order or injunction against possessing a firearm.
• Have no mental health conditions that would prohibit you from having a license.
• Have no felony convictions, or adjudications for a felony offense, in this state or elsewhere. “Felony” means any felony offense under the laws of Washington, or any federal or out-of-state offense comparable to a felony offense under the laws of Washington.
• Have no convictions for any of the following crimes committed by one family member against another on or after July 1, 1993:
  • Assault IV
  • Coercion
  • Stalking
  • Reckless Endangerment
  • Criminal Trespass in the first degree
  • Violation of the provisions of a protection order or no-contact order restraining the person or excluding the person from the residence

 

[Howard]

exactly, that way you know who to shoot first

I'd say most open carriers would be the good guys when the shit goes down.

 

[Howard]

Not based on facts?



If we don't defend our rights they WILL be taken away, because of people like Feinstein.

She was joking.

 

[DCal430]

If you want a gun permit then you should have the following done.

1. Yearly mental evaluations by a licensed psychiatrist.
2. Each year a random 5-10% of gun owners will have their homes and property searched unannounced.
3. Full scale criminal background check, any criminal conviction then no gun.
4. 20 to 40 hours a year in gun safety courses.
5. Detail record of how much ammo is purchased, and where and when it has been used. Records must be submitted for review each year. All ammo will only be obtained through licensed sources who will record each sale in detail.

 

[DCal430]

Should you have to take an aptitude test to be able to exercise free speech? so the following aren't good enough ...

You must meet all of the following requirements to get a concealed pistol license:

• Be 21 years of age or older at time of application.
• Be a United States citizen or a permanent resident alien with permanent resident card or “green card.”
• Have no pending trial, appeal, or sentencing on a charge that would prohibit you from having a license.
• Have no outstanding warrants for any charge, from any court.
• Have no court order or injunction against possessing a firearm.
• Have no mental health conditions that would prohibit you from having a license.
• Have no felony convictions, or adjudications for a felony offense, in this state or elsewhere. “Felony” means any felony offense under the laws of Washington, or any federal or out-of-state offense comparable to a felony offense under the laws of Washington.
• Have no convictions for any of the following crimes committed by one family member against another on or after July 1, 1993:
  • Assault IV
  • Coercion
  • Stalking
  • Reckless Endangerment
  • Criminal Trespass in the first degree
  • Violation of the provisions of a protection order or no-contact order restraining the person or excluding the person from the residence

No good enough. Gun owners should be subject to random inspection of their home and property. They should require yearly mental evaluations by a license psychiatrist.

 

[irishScott]

If you want a gun permit then you should have the following done.

1. Yearly mental evaluations by a licensed psychiatrist.
2. Each year a random 5-10% of gun owners will have their homes and property searched unannounced.
3. Full scale criminal background check, any criminal conviction then no gun.
4. 20 to 40 hours a year in gun safety courses.
5. Detail record of how much ammo is purchased, and where and when it has been used. Records must be submitted for review each year. All ammo will only be obtained through licensed sources who will record each sale in detail.

Why don't we do the same for car drivers? Drunk driving blows guns out of the water in terms of deaths/year. I say that if you own a car:

1. Yearly mental evaluations by a licensed psychologist to check for drinking problems.
2. Each year a random 5-10% of car owners will have their homes and property searched for alcohol unannounced, including their car.
3. Full scale background check. Any previous drug offenses and you cannot drive. Period.
4. 20-40 hours/year road safety course.
5. Details on how much alcohol is purchased, and where and when it has been consumed. Records must be submitted for review each year. All alcohol will only be obtained through licensed sources who will record each sale in detail.

You're just a gun phobe. Admit it. I don't care if cars have a wider variety of uses than guns, we're talking about safety and body count right?

I'll point out that in both examples #2 is completely useless.

 

[DCal430]

Why don't we do the same for car drivers? Drunk driving blows guns out of the water in terms of deaths/year. I say that if you own a car:

1. Yearly mental evaluations by a licensed psychologist to check for drinking problems.
2. Each year a random 5-10% of car owners will have their homes and property searched for alcohol unannounced, including their car.
3. Full scale background check. Any previous drug offenses and you cannot drive. Period.
4. 20-40 hours/year road safety course.
5. Details on how much alcohol is purchased, and where and when it has been consumed. Records must be submitted for review each year. All alcohol will only be obtained through licensed sources who will record each sale in detail.

You're just a gun phobe. Admit it. I don't care if cars have a wider variety of uses than guns, we're talking about safety and body count right?

I'll point out that in both examples #2 is completely useless.

A car has a legit purpose, to get people to their destination in a reasonable time. A gun has no real purpose other than to kill people.

Also #2 has a real purpose, it is to see if you are involved in any criminal activity. By searching your home and property they could uncover evidence of wrong doing.

 

[irishScott]

A car has a legit purpose, to get people to their destination in a reasonable time. A gun has no real purpose other than to kill people.

Also #2 has a real purpose, it is to see if you are involved in any criminal activity. By searching your home and property they could uncover evidence of wrong doing.

ROFL. A gun has legit purposes of both recreational and defensive uses. And what if I have no criminal record? Why should I be subject to search and seizure just because I own a gun? Why does owning a gun make me a criminal or potentially a criminal?

I love how you throw away the Bill of Rights for your phobia and naivete. Please continue posting. I'd like to show you as yet another example of a crazy anti-gunner who shits his pants at the sight of one.

 

[xj0hnx]

If you want a gun permit then you should have the following done.

1. Yearly mental evaluations by a licensed psychiatrist.
2. Each year a random 5-10% of gun owners will have their homes and property searched unannounced.
3. Full scale criminal background check, any criminal conviction then no gun.
4. 20 to 40 hours a year in gun safety courses.
5. Detail record of how much ammo is purchased, and where and when it has been used. Records must be submitted for review each year. All ammo will only be obtained through licensed sources who will record each sale in detail.

LOL, what a fruitcake. I take great pleasure in knowing that none of those are ever going to happen, and that it makes loony leftist nutjobs like you crazy.

No good enough. Gun owners should be subject to random inspection of their home and property. They should require yearly mental evaluations by a license psychiatrist.

Idiots that make up stories about children dying homeless in the streets should be subject to daily inspection of their home and property. They should require monthly evaluations by a licensed psychiatrist.

A car has a legit purpose, to get people to their destination in a reasonable time. A gun has no real purpose other than to kill people.

This is another area where you bleeding heart retards fail in epic proportions. A firearm has one of the most important purposes possible, saving my life. You can sit wimpering a corner, waiting for the police to come scoop and bag your remains, after a group of home invaders runs a train on your wife and daughter, then murders you. Personally myself? I'm going to go with being armed and able to defend my family and self.

 

[xj0hnx]

ROFL. A gun has legit purposes of both recreational and defensive uses. And what if I have no criminal record? Why should I be subject to search and seizure just because I own a gun? Why does owning a gun make me a criminal or potentially a criminal?

I love how you throw away the Bill of Rights for your phobia and naivete. Please continue posting. I'd like to show you as yet another example of a crazy anti-gunner who shits his pants at the sight of one.

Because psychotic nanny-staters like Dcal think that simply owning a firearm is a crime. He and his ilk are disgusting. He doesn't care about the Bill of Rights, it goes against everything he believes.

 

[alkemyst]

I'd say most open carriers would be the good guys when the shit goes down.

Well, depends on where they are doing their open carry.

If it's in one of the few towns where it's common, probably.

If it's the dude trying to make a point every day, then he's probably going to be an asshole when the shit hits the fan.

I agree, people shouldn't be afraid of a legal gun carrying person...but they are and some do it just too create that tension.

 

[Triumph]

Idiots that make up stories about children dying homeless in the streets should be subject to daily inspection of their home and property. They should require monthly evaluations by a licensed psychiatrist.

Yeah, he's a piece of crap troll of the highest order. Did you notice in that thread he didn't even return once, into his own thread, to contribute anything to the discussion?

 

[Darwin333]

A car has a legit purpose, to get people to their destination in a reasonable time. A gun has no real purpose other than to kill people.

Also #2 has a real purpose, it is to see if you are involved in any criminal activity. By searching your home and property they could uncover evidence of wrong doing.

What makes you think that a person involved in criminal activity would follow your gun laws and legally own a firearm?

 

[QuantumPion]

I'm 99% convinced Dcal is actually a conservative and is just trolling. There is no way anyone could honestly believe the things he has posted. No one is that dumb.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I will be writing my legislator and state senator asking them to vote yes. I will also be writing to other legislators and pretending to be in their district and ask them to vote yes too.

If you write them a letter they will know the city or town from where it was mailed. If you do this via email, they will know the IP address.

Think of the children that will become homeless due to the lack of gun sales and permit fees.

 

[werepossum]

If you want a gun permit then you should have the following done.

1. Yearly mental evaluations by a licensed psychiatrist.
2. Each year a random 5-10% of gun owners will have their homes and property searched unannounced.
3. Full scale criminal background check, any criminal conviction then no gun.
4. 20 to 40 hours a year in gun safety courses.
5. Detail record of how much ammo is purchased, and where and when it has been used. Records must be submitted for review each year. All ammo will only be obtained through licensed sources who will record each sale in detail.

Thanks for taking the time and effort to make absolutely sure that everyone here knows you are a nutcase. It's remotely possible that someone might have missed that fact before this. You have performed a valuable public service.

 

[spidey07]

Thanks for taking the time and effort to make absolutely sure that everyone here knows you are a nutcase. It's remotely possible that someone might have missed that fact before this. You have performed a valuable public service.

I don't know. That sounds like the Brady supporters wish list to a tee and there are many politicians who believe in it.

I thought #5 was already being done or moved on in CA.

 

[Fern]

You can still bear arms, openly.

Well sort of.

You'll find many areas have laws along of the 'going armed to the terror of the public' (the name of ours here in NC). So it's not exactly clear cut that you can openly carry without fear of arrest.

Fern

 

[SparkyJJO]

If you want a gun permit then you should have the following done.

1. Yearly mental evaluations by a licensed psychiatrist.
2. Each year a random 5-10% of gun owners will have their homes and property searched unannounced.
3. Full scale criminal background check, any criminal conviction then no gun.
4. 20 to 40 hours a year in gun safety courses.
5. Detail record of how much ammo is purchased, and where and when it has been used. Records must be submitted for review each year. All ammo will only be obtained through licensed sources who will record each sale in detail.

Do you have a problem with the 4th amendment?

 

[MotF Bane]

If you want a gun permit then you should have the following done.

1. Yearly mental evaluations by a licensed psychiatrist.
2. Each year a random 5-10% of gun owners will have their homes and property searched unannounced.
3. Full scale criminal background check, any criminal conviction then no gun.
4. 20 to 40 hours a year in gun safety courses.
5. Detail record of how much ammo is purchased, and where and when it has been used. Records must be submitted for review each year. All ammo will only be obtained through licensed sources who will record each sale in detail.

Yep, you're a totalitarian lunatic. If you hate this country so much, just leave.

 

[xj0hnx]

Do you have a problem with the 4th amendment?

Totalitarians have no use for things like The Constitution, or individual rights, those things get in the way of what they think everyone else should do, and think.

 

[alkemyst]

Well sort of.

You'll find many areas have laws along of the 'going armed to the terror of the public' (the name of ours here in NC). So it's not exactly clear cut that you can openly carry without fear of arrest.

Fern

The open carry laws are quite clear and this is NOT LEGAL in many states. Even with a concealed permit if your gun shows it could be grounds to lose your permit.

Open Carry being legal everywhere is a big falacy.

 

[JockoJohnson]

A car has a legit purpose, to get people to their destination in a reasonable time. A gun has no real purpose other than to kill people.

Also #2 has a real purpose, it is to see if you are involved in any criminal activity. By searching your home and property they could uncover evidence of wrong doing.

Ah, the liberal thought police. Because he has a gun, let's check his house and make sure nothing is going on.

You and your kind are the true douches of the world. Anyone who acts like the "thought police" needs to DIAF horribly.