Judge: Conceal carry is NOT a right.

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spidey07

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The problem is and always has been, gun supporters believe the 2A is absolute and any boundaries hinders the persons right. That is just not true.

My rights end where yours begin. I am not interfering on any of your rights or boundaries by carrying. Therefore it is my right.

You setting arbitrary boundaries does however infringe on my rights. Look up what the Bill of Rights is, where it came from any why the 2nd is so important.
 

theeedude

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Actually, as long as he doesn't live in California, California law means nothing to him. He's is free to speak however he wants about California Law, whether or not he is informed on it, is an entirely different matter.

This is a ruling by a Federal judge, who happens to be in California, on the US (Federal) Constitution. This is not a ruling on California law.
 

xj0hnx

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Jared Loughner
Michael McClendon
VA Tech Killer
Chris Speight

Just to name a few, all in the last couple of years all legally purchased guns.

Wow, you named four out of 300+ million Americans that went on shooting sprees with legally bought guns. Can you really not understand how ridiculous your statement is?
 

irishScott

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This is a ruling by a Federal judge, who happens to be in California, on the US (Federal) Constitution. This is not a ruling on California law.

Actually it is a ruling on California Law in the context of the Constitution. Rulings on the Constitution are for SCOTUS. The ruling is also being appealed.

In any case, as previously stated I couldn't give two shits about the ruling itself, or the legalese interpretation/magnitude of my opinion. I'm debating the core issue, not the judge's decision. You're attempting to warp the subject of the debate to the specific legal legitimacy of the judge's decision, which I never challenged.

If you're not going to debate the issue at hand and just say "haha judge is on my side and you can't say shit", then I guess we're done.
 
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Darwin333

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Everytime this comes up, the gunslingers run out the right to bear arms. Its true, but it comes with limitations. Every single constitutional right comes with limits and regulations. This fallacy of an argument that a person can walk around with a weapon in any manner is totally wrong. I can't say the judge is right or wrong totally, but he does make a strong point. If the constitution is to be believed and respected for what it says, it should also be acceptable not to add what it doesn't say either.

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Exactly which part do you not understand?

Is your argument really that the guys that just fought a war with people that tried to grab their guns, and made it the 2nd friggen amendment to ensure that it couldn't happen again, really meant that you have the right to keep and bear arms only on your own property or some bullshit like that? Really?

Amazingly they have been pretty damn right after all these years. Law abiding folk (the people these laws actually effect) rarely break the (get ready for this) LAW. The other assholes really don't care what laws you pass because they are criminals. Would you like me to copy and paste the webster definition of a criminal?
 

irishScott

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the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Exactly which part do you not understand?

Is your argument really that the guys that just fought a war with people that tried to grab their guns, and made it the 2nd friggen amendment to ensure that it couldn't happen again, really meant that you have the right to keep and bear arms only on your own property or some bullshit like that? Really?

Amazingly they have been pretty damn right after all these years. Law abiding folk (the people these laws actually effect) rarely break the (get ready for this) LAW. The other assholes really don't care what laws you pass because they are criminals. Would you like me to copy and paste the webster definition of a criminal?

Gun control advocates are largely ruled by their own rationalized phobia(s) on the issue. They look at a gun and have an instinctive anxiety switch that clouds their judgement, largely due to lack of exposure to guns. Debate them long enough and they either freeze up in internal conflict or start talking crazy under the pressure.
 
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etrigan420

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Granted. But I don't see any gun rights advocates of significance trying to re-institutionalize racism.

True, I was just pointing out that both sides fall prey to their own Reality Distortion Fields™

Not to defend them but they have consistently despised white folk who have tried to take their guns too.

Do you care to argue otherwise?

No argument from me...the point of my post wasn't really that he's black, it's that a lot of gun owners have a "persecution complex" that is rarely based on facts.
 

schneiderguy

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No argument from me...the point of my post wasn't really that he's black, it's that a lot of gun owners have a "persecution complex" that is rarely based on facts.

Not based on facts?

Diane Feinstein said:
If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it.

If we don't defend our rights they WILL be taken away, because of people like Feinstein.
 

xj0hnx

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Not based on facts?



If we don't defend our rights they WILL be taken away, because of people like Feinstein.

No way dude, it's because you are a racist that's scared of his own shadow and think the leftist boogeyman is going to come steal yer gunz!!!
 

irishScott

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True, I was just pointing out that both sides fall prey to their own Reality Distortion Fields™



No argument from me...the point of my post wasn't really that he's black, it's that a lot of gun owners have a "persecution complex" that is rarely based on facts.

While I certainly wouldn't compare it to racial discrimination or religious persecution, the fact that there are large, organized, well funded groups out there blatantly trying to violate (and in some case succeeding in violating) the spirit of the 2nd amendment (and usually would like to violate the 2A itself) constitutes persecution or at least seriously attempted persecution IMO. The assault weapons ban was still active just several years ago, was that not persecution? All it did was hurt, limit, and legislatively harass the legal gun owner.
 

etrigan420

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Bullshit. That's what the anti-gunners like to spout, where's your proof?

Not based on facts?



If we don't defend our rights they WILL be taken away, because of people like Feinstein.

uhhhhmmm, she's 1 person dude.

You "gunnies" getting your panties all bunched up whenever some body mentions gun control is funny, and *exactly* what I was talking about in my earlier post.
 

spidey07

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uhhhhmmm, she's 1 person dude.

You "gunnies" getting your panties all bunched up whenever some body mentions gun control is funny, and *exactly* what I was talking about in my earlier post.

So propose your ideas on gun control and we will quickly shoot them down with facts.

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Also notice the key word in there "control".
 
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xj0hnx

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uhhhhmmm, she's 1 person dude.

You "gunnies" getting your panties all bunched up whenever some body mentions gun control is funny, and *exactly* what I was talking about in my earlier post.

No, she's one example, of a multitude of anti-gunners that would just as soon nobody in America be allowed to own a gun, much less carry one.
 

etrigan420

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SparkyJJO

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I'm just putting this here to lighten the mood a bit.

Right_To_Bear_Arms.jpg


:awe: :D
 

cubby1223

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The problem is and always has been, gun supporters believe the 2A is absolute and any boundaries hinders the persons right. That is just not true.

What's the difference? It's like those on "the other side" who believe the commerce and general welfare clauses are a mandate for government to control whatever it wants to.