Broheim
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a lot of places in the world -> no guns -> lower violent crime rates
so what's your point?
a lot of places in the world -> no guns -> lower violent crime rates
so what's your point?
Macamus Prime
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Carrying a concealed weapon is done "just in case". Great.
"Just in case" someone attacks you. OK.
Is there a known problem of millions of Americans getting murdered and harmed every day? Are the police constantly failing at preventing the innocent from getting murdered?
Also, if your concern is that you will get killed, wouldn't it increase your chances to ACTUALLY get killed,... if everyone was armed with a firearm? What guarantee will you have that when everyone has a gun, said "everyone" won't include the insane and criminal elements?
"Just in case" someone attacks you. OK.
Is there a known problem of millions of Americans getting murdered and harmed every day? Are the police constantly failing at preventing the innocent from getting murdered?
Also, if your concern is that you will get killed, wouldn't it increase your chances to ACTUALLY get killed,... if everyone was armed with a firearm? What guarantee will you have that when everyone has a gun, said "everyone" won't include the insane and criminal elements?
40 Americans are murdered, 240 are raped, 1118 are robbed, and 2210 are assaulted every day. (Figures calculated from FBI statistics.) Do you think the police are everywhere at once? No. Do the police see everything? No. Ergo, do the police prevent all violent crimes? No. Are innocents still being killed/raped/robbed/assaulted? Yes.
"Everyone" already includes criminals. What do you gun-grabbers not understand about this concept? Criminals already have guns. Laws prohibiting them from carrying guns are not a deterrent. It does not work. You cannot successfully disarm, by force of law, those who willfully break the law.
Something that most people don't understand about how the police work is that for the most part they are reactionary. They react AFTER a crime has been committed and rarely actually prevent crime other than taking someone who has already committed a crime off the street so that he/she can't commit another.
When seconds count the police are mere minutes away.
Most places haven't given us this nice little before and after graph to illustrate the effects. The UK severely curbed gun ownership rights and violent crime rates predictably rose quickly. It did not solve anything as all the gun grabbers had promised.
SparkyJJO
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And this is the entire crux of the matter. It is an easy concept but so many fail at understanding it :|
In order to properly understand all this meaningless emotional energy ginned up surrounding gun issues one needs to step back and do a little simple thinking? We were all controlled as children and our real individuality, our unique personality, our real potential was thereby destroyed. In it's place we were forced to adopt a conformistic ego, some idiotic identification with some group think, some team, some club of perfect people we could become a card carrying member of instead of being our true selves who we were told was a worthless entity.
Thus by cultural and parental or guardian accident we have become members of various teams all claiming to be the best team there is, and we cling to these teams, eat their bot shit propaganda and spout it at every opportunity. The clever among us prey on the mental stupidity of such teams to generate political support and money, inciting these rivalries and making them public events, all for the purpose of garnering said money or votes.
Thus the world is filled with screaming bot sheep touting this or that point of view, egged on by those with bigger brains but lacking all moral scruples.
The fact is that no real person is interested at all in the gun issue. It is not an issue at all.
Those who were controlled as children were made to suppress their emotional needs including a desire to have unlimited access to sex with the opposite sex. The gun is simply substituted as a symbol for this predickament. Thus we have hordes of sexually sick Taliban type individuals worries that somebody is going to cut off their gun by informing them that other people, ie the opposite sex, have rights too.
So welcome to the testosterone generated world of the undeveloped libertarian child mind.
Thus by cultural and parental or guardian accident we have become members of various teams all claiming to be the best team there is, and we cling to these teams, eat their bot shit propaganda and spout it at every opportunity. The clever among us prey on the mental stupidity of such teams to generate political support and money, inciting these rivalries and making them public events, all for the purpose of garnering said money or votes.
Thus the world is filled with screaming bot sheep touting this or that point of view, egged on by those with bigger brains but lacking all moral scruples.
The fact is that no real person is interested at all in the gun issue. It is not an issue at all.
Those who were controlled as children were made to suppress their emotional needs including a desire to have unlimited access to sex with the opposite sex. The gun is simply substituted as a symbol for this predickament. Thus we have hordes of sexually sick Taliban type individuals worries that somebody is going to cut off their gun by informing them that other people, ie the opposite sex, have rights too.
So welcome to the testosterone generated world of the undeveloped libertarian child mind.
Macamus Prime
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Kirby
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If guns are banned, I promise you'll be much less safe when people start blowing away cops and politicians who support it.
Just like attempting to prohibit gay marriage will fail and gay marriage will become legal, ccw will become more accepted as time goes on.
Sinsear
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I fail to see how the 2nd Amendment which gives the right to own weapons can be whole limted in public places. That's like saying you have freedom of speech and religion in your own home, but once you go outside, you no longer have your Constitutional Rights.
That's completely absurd.
The issue with guns always comes down to a few issues.
Some people are irrationally afraid of an item and are unwilling to place the blame of actions involving guns on the person that used the gun in an illegal way.
The other issue is there is a group of people that are afraid of what they would do if they had a gun.
To see a judge in California of all places rule against gun ownership and responsible use doesn't surprise me 1 bit. It just means that case will go to the SCOTUS and yet another liberal activist judge will be over ruled and set president across the nation, further erroding liberal attempts to ban things with shoulder things that go up.
Well look at the crime stats of cities with gun bans. Chicago, DC, NYC all have abnormally high violent crime rates. I wonder why that is?
No its not millions everyday, the stats have been posted for you and the numbers are quite significant. As far as "warzone", that depends on which part of the country you live in.
Police don't prevent, they respond.
Why don't you understand. The Criminals don't care about the laws that forbid you from carrying a gun. THEY'RE CRIMINALS. By definition they BREAK THE LAW.
Your arguement is worn out and never panned out. When states started passing carry laws, people like you screamed there would be blood in the streets, and people would be shooting each other over the smallest things. Well it hasn't happened. It won't happen. The people that lawfully carry firearms do just that. They follow the law.
How about a comprimise. We allow gay marraige nationwide. And we allow open/conceal carry nationwide.
Millions? No.
Currently in Afghanistan. I wear 4 ceramic rifle plates, a ballistic helmet, about 15 square feet of kevlar, carry a 5.56 rifle with 310 rounds, and a 9mm pistol with 60.
Thousands, if not tens of thousands, wear the same equipment every single day. They still die.
However, if you look at it, more people die back State-side than do here. Sure there's a population difference, some areas are safe, some are not, bla bla.
As soon as I go home on leave I am applying for my state's concealed weapons permit.
Some places in California, Illinois, New York, Florida and many other population centers are far, far more dangerous than 90% of Afghanistan.
Am I some gun-clinging republican NRA member hellbent on compensating for my lack of genital size with a big weapon? I'd like to think no. Am I probably a bit more aware of how dangerous things are in some of these areas? Maybe. Do I have a genuine concern for my wife's safety as well as my own when travelling in areas that I am unfamiliar with? Yep.... People can pull the wool over their eyes, but the single point remains;
Gun laws ONLY hurt people that are concerned with obeying the laws of our land.
When you vote against, elect representation that will vote against sensible laws controlling firearms, you are ONLY hurting the legitimate, law-abiding citizens that actually give a damn.
Please make sure you have a written copy of the law limiting private firearm ownership and present it to the gangbanger the next time you are robbed, witness a murder, rape, or similar violent act. Present it to the perpetrator, and see if he gives a flying f*ck. Oh, try not to get shot for your troubles.
CrackRabbit
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Triumph
Lifer
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LOL, dude, he messed up the quote by what, two or three words (synonyms, no less), and you're calling him out on it? LOL!
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xj0hnx
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I've been telling anti-gunners for years that if they can show me how more laws are going to stop people that do not obey the law from carrying guns, then I will vote for some anti-gun legislature, I've been pretty safe so far.
irishScott
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Funny thing is a California judge also ruled that their denial of shall-issue concealed carry is allowable because they allow open carry for defensive purposes. Once they ban open carry, based on the decision of their own judges the NRA will be litigating for concealed carry.
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