Jordan Neely killed on the subway by marine veteran. Hero or killer?

[HomerJS]

There is something wrong with you that I can't fix over the internet while you are in rabies mode.

Seek a mental health professional. This is not an insult, this is in your best interests and you don't have to tell any of us about it!

No, verbal assaults aren't all the same. I could verbally assault you right now and you wouldn't be in fear because, as I already stated, the threat level isn't the same. If you are really in fear right now, then again it's the same need for a mental health professional.

So, are you in fear right now? I could leap out of your monitor and verbally assault you, but instead I advocate something that helps you. If this is instead about a generalized anxiety issue you face, and you are just fixated on blaming xyz political or social climates for it, then get back to basics of that, instead of trying to place blame on why you feel that way.

Believe it or not, I am a friendly person, that happened to major in psychology too, but I think psychology is 90% bullshit, but there is that other 10%. You are passionate, haven't given up fighting, so there IS hope for you. Turn that effort around.

#irony

You have no ideas what the perceived threat was from a 160lb soaking wet guy. You weren’t there

All I know someone trained in applying a chock hold can do it without killing.

Can’t wait until the next threat to a POC that is met with death.

Here’s a white guy getting his head beaten into the ground for verbal threats. Should have invoked the Penny rule and beaten his head until dead

 

[eelw]

You have no ideas what the perceived threat was from a 160lb soaking wet guy. You weren’t there

All I know someone trained in applying a chock hold can do it without killing.

Can’t wait until the next threat to a POC that is met with death.

The vigilante apologists just being sexist in that a female would never be a threat. Well until a case involving a trans person. But notice how they dance around the race issue

 

[mindless1]

You have no ideas what the perceived threat was from a 160lb soaking wet guy. You weren’t there

All I know someone trained in applying a chock hold can do it without killing.

Can’t wait until the next threat to a POC that is met with death.

Here’s a white guy getting his head beaten into the ground for verbal threats. Should have invoked the Penny rule and beaten his head until dead

You're deranged and can only see race instead of perceived threat.

The trash in your linked video, did deserve a beating. Neither he or Neely, deserved death. If the fellow in your linked video had beaten the trash till he died, then both he, and Neely's killer, are guilty of at least manslaughter.

I do have plenty of ideas about perceived threat of a 160lb young male. I once was a 160lb young male, quite athletic and could demolish (it's not even close, like 20 seconds tops) a middle aged ~220lb+ anyone at that point in my life, except of course a trained fighter or /other athlete. Granted I was more muscular by age 30, but I don't underestimate someone based on weight if they are sufficiently motivated.

The thing is, this isn't a pit match, not about 1 on 1 fighting with two willing participants, rather this is innocent people just trying to ride a bus and having some lunatic come up on them in an enclosed space where he can attack at any moment, and you don't know if he has a gun or knife, and you don't want a confrontation, just to travel to where you're going because you Want To Be A Peaceful Person (!), for it to be a peaceful, non-threatening ride but the loon won't stop until someone stops him.

If you are not threatening someone but they come up on you anyway, they need restrained, period. Notice that the suburban Karen you wanted to compare previously, was sitting and not coming up into someone's face. Big difference. Freedom of speech, even from scumbags, is different than physical posture and position when it comes to threat level. Again, sticks and stones.

I am not defending the death of Neely, only that he needed restrained and the death was excessive and criminal. Suggesting that if he died, then others should, is a really low moral road to take and I still think you need professional help. If you don't get that help, what is going to change? You are the one who is obviously distraught about the state of the US (or world in general?), so what are you doing to resolve it? Whining on an internet forum just keeps you agitated and is not helping you.

 

[HomerJS]

You're deranged and can only see race instead of perceived threat.

The trash in your linked video, did deserve a beating. Neither he or Neely, deserved death. If the fellow in your linked video had beaten the trash till he died, then both he, and Neely's killer, are guilty of at least manslaughter.

I do have plenty of ideas about perceived threat of a 160lb young male. I once was a 160lb young male, quite athletic and could demolish (it's not even close, like 20 seconds tops) a middle aged ~220lb+ anyone at that point in my life, except of course a trained fighter or /other athlete. Granted I was more muscular by age 30, but I don't underestimate someone based on weight if they are sufficiently motivated.

The thing is, this isn't a pit match, not about 1 on 1 fighting with two willing participants, rather this is innocent people just trying to ride a bus and having some lunatic come up on them in an enclosed space where he can attack at any moment, and you don't know if he has a gun or knife, and you don't want a confrontation, just to travel to where you're going because you Want To Be A Peaceful Person (!), for it to be a peaceful, non-threatening ride but the loon won't stop until someone stops him.

If you are not threatening someone but they come up on you anyway, they need restrained, period. Notice that the suburban Karen you wanted to compare previously, was sitting and not coming up into someone's face. Big difference. Freedom of speech, even from scumbags, is different than physical posture and position when it comes to threat level. Again, sticks and stones.

I am not defending the death of Neely, only that he needed restrained and the death was excessive and criminal. Suggesting that if he died, then others should, is a really low moral road to take and I still think you need professional help. If you don't get that help, what is going to change? You are the one who is obviously distraught about the state of the US (or world in general?), so what are you doing to resolve it? Whining on an internet forum just keeps you agitated and is not helping you.

You are projecting. In your mind black people are the perceived threats. That why when white people stormed the capital they were patriots.

It's the American double standard. There are plenty of white people threatening POC so I am just calling for equal treatment.

 

[Indus]

You have no ideas what the perceived threat was from a 160lb soaking wet guy.

Bad example.. a 160 lb person can move much faster and strike harder than an average 250 lb person. The weight itself slows the big guy down.

It's the American double standard. There are plenty of white people threatening POC so I am just calling for equal treatment.

Much better and true imho!

FFS just go to a sporting event.. you'll get threatened for just being a "fake" fan of a team.

 

[fskimospy]

Bad example.. a 160 lb person can move much faster and strike harder than an average 250 lb person. The weight itself slows the big guy down.

Combat sports have weight classes specifically because this is not true.

 

[Indus]

Combat sports have weight classes specifically because this is not true.

Well I wasn't comparing to Mike Tyson.. I was comparing an average round 250 lb guy to a fit 160 lb guy.. who could probably run 3 miles and not even break a sweat while the 250lb guy would be winded!

 

[fskimospy]

Well I wasn't comparing to Mike Tyson.. I was comparing an average round 250 lb guy to a fit 160 lb guy.. who could probably run 3 miles and not even break a sweat while the 250lb guy would be winded!

As someone who is an in-shape ~150lb guy who grew up with a brother who was a very out of shape 300lb guy let me tell you when those big guys punch or grab you it hurts.

 

[MrSquished]

Some people will jump through hoops to justify anything about this homicide to satisfy their bloodlust it seems. Sick.

 

[HomerJS]

My overall point is MAGAts are all for law and order depending on the perp.

Just asking for equal rights.

 

[ch33zw1z]

As someone who is an in-shape ~150lb guy who grew up with a brother who was a very out of shape 300lb guy let me tell you when those big guys punch or grab you it hurts.

Yup, my older brother is always 100 pounds bigger than me. My only hope as a kiddo was to leave myself a path to run away.

 

[ch33zw1z]

My overall point is MAGAts are all for law and order depending on the perp.

Just asking for equal rights.

Right; because that’s the core of conservatism. There in groups that are catered to and out groups who are targets. The entire culture war is centered around keeping the typical victims of oppression from stepping out of line.

 

[eelw]

My overall point is MAGAts are all for law and order depending on the perp.

Just asking for equal rights.

Equal rights to kill white people and get away with it!!!

 

[brycejones]

Equal rights to kill white people and get away with it!!!

That sounds like DEI!

 

[mindless1]

You are projecting. In your mind black people are the perceived threats. That why when white people stormed the capital they were patriots.

It's the American double standard. There are plenty of white people threatening POC so I am just calling for equal treatment.

Another racist remark.

1) I have never stated that black people are a perceived threat,

2) nor that it was only white people who stormed the capital,

3) nor that they were patriots.

4) This is you projecting.

Congrats, you're 0 for 4... without my having to even mention the insanity of "calling for equal treatment".

 

[brycejones]

Lol, the fly doth protest too much

 

[HomerJS]

Another racist remark.

1) I have never stated that black people are a perceived threat,

2) nor that it was only white people who stormed the capital,

3) nor that they were patriots.

4) This is you projecting.

Congrats, you're 0 for 4... without my having to even mention the insanity of "calling for equal treatment".

One Hispanic still equates to all white people

You people and Trump said they are patriots

To prove my point Trump will pardon them when he gets into office

You don’t have to specifically say it. That is the conservative position

 

[HomerJS]

Racist whitey spits on a black bus driver. Gets what he deserves and knocked the fuck out. That was assault and battery. Should have been able to enact the Penny rule and kill a bitch

 

[MrSquished]

Racist whitey spits on a black bus driver. Gets what he deserves and knocked the fuck out. That was assault and battery. Should have been able to enact the Penny rule and kill a bitch

Shoulda put him in a choke hold for six minutes.

But guaranteed that black bus driver would be found guilty of manslaughter.

 

[mindless1]

One Hispanic still equates to all white people

You people and Trump said they are patriots

To prove my point Trump will pardon them when he gets into office

You don’t have to specifically say it. That is the conservative position

Okay so let me get this straight. In your racist mindset, you can lump hispanics as white and just act like it's everyone against the black man? WOW!!!!!!!

Who is "you people"? Is that racist or just false stereotypical projection? I have stated numerous times that I think you need professional help.

Nothing Trump does, proves anything. He is a mere one person, who people vote for not because they align with everything he says but rather because of the policies either party endorses. It is really strange that low intelligence people try to pretend that if you want certain policies, that you also agree with any negative thing possible about the candidate proposing those policies. There are no saints in politics.

Why are you pretending that I am aligned with Trump, when I can't even count the # of times I have stated that Trump was elected only because the people would rather have a card board box as president instead of liberal nonsense?

I don't have to "specifically say it", which you are implying means that you can project onto me, whatever suits your argument, without any basis whatsoever, to anyone that opposes your lunatic agenda?

Has that agenda improved your life? Can you substantiate that, or are you just a fish out of water, who can't see the obvious?

It is hilarious that you can so easily stereotype people with no facts whatsoever.

As I have already stated, I can't fix your level of mental illness over the internet, so you need to seek a local mental health professional. If that person agrees with you and finds you to be sane, then let's start there!

However there is a problem. I'm not OCD to the point of sacrificing better things in life to troll in this forum like you do. It's like arguing with a homeless person on a street corner, knowing that they aren't doing anything to help their situation. If you aren't happy, it's not because of the nonsense you're spewing. It's because you aren't productive towards things that would make you happy.

 

[HomerJS]

Okay so let me get this straight. In your racist mindset, you can lump hispanics as white and just act like it's everyone against the black man? WOW!!!!!!!

Who is "you people"? Is that racist or just false stereotypical projection? I have stated numerous times that I think you need professional help.

Nothing Trump does, proves anything. He is a mere one person, who people vote for not because they align with everything he says but rather because of the policies either party endorses. It is really strange that low intelligence people try to pretend that if you want certain policies, that you also agree with any negative thing possible about the candidate proposing those policies. There are no saints in politics.

Why are you pretending that I am aligned with Trump, when I can't even count the # of times I have stated that Trump was elected only because the people would rather have a card board box as president instead of liberal nonsense?

I don't have to "specifically say it", which you are implying means that you can project onto me, whatever suits your argument, without any basis whatsoever, to anyone that opposes your lunatic agenda?

Has that agenda improved your life? Can you substantiate that, or are you just a fish out of water, who can't see the obvious?

It is hilarious that you can so easily stereotype people with no facts whatsoever.

As I have already stated, I can't fix your level of mental illness over the internet, so you need to seek a local mental health professional. If that person agrees with you and finds you to be sane, then let's start there!

However there is a problem. I'm not OCD to the point of sacrificing better things in life to troll in this forum like you do. It's like arguing with a homeless person on a street corner, knowing that they aren't doing anything to help their situation. If you aren't happy, it's not because of the nonsense you're spewing. It's because you aren't productive towards things that would make you happy.

I can state unequivocally you are NOT for equal rights. I want POC to have the same rights as Daniel Penny and you don't.

 

[Drach]

I can state unequivocally you are NOT for equal rights. I want POC to have the same rights as Daniel Penny and you don't.

"Neely, a former Michael Jackson impersonator, ranted about being hungry and thirsty and said that he wanted to return to jail and didn’t care if he lived or died",
He got what he wanted. Death by cop is the same thing.
He wanted to die and did exactly the thing that would end his life.
You are such butt hurt negro that lashes out at the white man any time you can.

 

[brycejones]

You are such butt hurt negro.

Nice to see the mask finally dropped.

 

[Drach]

Nice to see the mask finally dropped.

Not a mask. Ask me what you want and i' ll be honest.
You more than anyone else here I have respect for your comments.

 

[outriding]

"Neely, a former Michael Jackson impersonator, ranted about being hungry and thirsty and said that he wanted to return to jail and didn’t care if he lived or died",
He got what he wanted. Death by cop is the same thing.
He wanted to die and did exactly the thing that would end his life.
You are such butt hurt negro that lashes out at the white man any time you can.

What crime is Neely presumed guilty of?