Jordan Neely killed on the subway by marine veteran. Hero or killer?

[Drach]

My opinion if we are going to allow Penny to kill over verbal assaulting when racists verbally assault people of color we should allow the same right to kill. Penny was trained in applying a chokehold. He didn’t have to kill Neely. People trained in applying chokehold are trained to apply without killing the person all the time. Ever see an MMA match? IMO Penny wanted to kill Neely.

What is your opinion?

My opinion is you are a race baiting asshole.
Good luck with that attitude.
I'm sure you will win minds with that attitude .

My son in law walked away from the screen disgusted after reading your tripe.

 

[MrSquished]

My opinion is you are a race baiting asshole.
Good luck with that attitude.
I'm sure you will win minds with that attitude .

My son in law walked away from the screen disgusted after reading your tripe.

Oh no your son-in-law walked away from the screen disgusted. Because he is a policeman. And that's just the cherry on top opinion that really seals the deal. Imagine trying to put someone on a pedestal like their opinion is the arbiter of what is right here because they're a fucking cop who happens to be black.

Apparently you don't even have to be blood related to cops that are in the family to be a self-righteous prick about today's law enforcement.

What a joke.

 

[Drach]

Sorry Mr Squished you are on my ignore list for being a larger asshole than anyone else.
I assume you could fit pluto in that hole.

 

[MrSquished]

Sorry Mr Squished you are on my ignore list for being a larger asshole than anyone else.
I assume you could fit pluto in that hole.

Oh no. You ignore me on an Internet forum? How will I ever be the same again?

But yet you still responded. So now I'm even more touched and ferklempt.

I'd rather be an asshole and yet cognizant of how things actually work, ascertain the best ways and strategies to win, and support the best and most decent policies way more often than not- than be anybody who sounds like a sanctimonious prick about oh my God his black son-in-law cop was disgusted and that really seals the dealabout right and wrong! I mean you're playing the race card there and you're also putting one of the worst professions in the country in a moral pedestal. And also defending people that continue to lie and mislead about this last election.

I appreciate the amusement for the evening. I'll talk to my therapist about you ignoring me in two weeks when I see her.

 

[Indus]

All this energy on a homeless criminal who was in and out of jail 44 times.

Where's the fucking energy for 100 million Americans who feel they've been left behind by the economy and they didn't resort to doing illegal stuff that would make them end up in jail even 4 times?

No you would call them "The garbage that speaks".

That's the problem in a nutshell. And I'm beginning to think Squishy is a right wing bot.. distract, depress and decimate.

 

[MrSquished]

All this energy on a homeless criminal who was in and out of jail 44 times.

Where's the fucking energy for 100 million Americans who feel they've been left behind by the economy and they didn't resort to doing illegal stuff that would make them end up in jail even 4 times?

No you would call them "The garbage that speaks".

That's the problem in a nutshell. And I'm beginning to think Squishy is a right wing bot.. distract, depress and decimate.

The guy who often repeats complete MAGA right wing talking points now thinks I might be a right wing bot.

Folks, this country is fucking cooked.

 

[Indus]

The guy who often repeats complete MAGA right wing talking points now thinks I might be a right wing bot.

Folks, this country is fucking cooked.

You sure are acting like a right wing bot. I don't even know the last time I heard you say something positive about left wing policies like Single Payer Healthcare, Government paid higher education, Subsidies for Housing and Child Care. Everyone else on this forum has you beat on positivity.

And you're negative squishy constant trashing other people and trying to find some traitor in your midst that is to blame for a person who no one liked not becoming POTUS.

I told you this before.. EVEN THE FUCKING INDIANS DIDN'T LIKE HER.. they liked Joe Biden more.. and you said I live in a bubble..

Did you check the votes for Edison NJ? Biden had more!

But you keep beating a fucking dead horse and abusing everyone and I frankly am sick of it! If I see 1 more negative post lashing out at other people here.. off to ignore you go.. because most of us come here for a constructive discussion and can admit mistakes.. no one comes here for constant abuse!

Either get your head out of your ass or just throw in the towel and move the fuck out of the country!

 

[MrSquished]

You sure are acting like a right wing bot. I don't even know the last time I heard you say something positive about left wing policies like Single Payer Healthcare, Government paid higher education, Subsidies for Housing and Child Care. Everyone else on this forum has you beat on positivity.

And you're negative squishy constant trashing other people and trying to find some traitor in your midst that is to blame for a person who no one liked not becoming POTUS.

I told you this before.. EVEN THE FUCKING INDIANS DIDN'T LIKE HER.. they liked Joe Biden more.. and you said I live in a bubble..

Did you check the votes for Edison NJ? Biden had more!

But you keep beating a fucking dead horse and abusing everyone and I frankly am sick of it! If I see 1 more negative post lashing out at other people here.. off to ignore you go.. because most of us come here for a constructive discussion and can admit mistakes.. no one comes here for constant abuse!

Either get your head out of your ass or just throw in the towel and move the fuck out of the country!

Yes I have not said positive things about progressive policies. Christ, the MAGA rot in your brain is spreading.

Go ahead ignore me you ignorant fuck.

 

[Indus]

Bye!

 

[HomerJS]

My opinion is you are a race baiting asshole.
Good luck with that attitude.
I'm sure you will win minds with that attitude .

My son in law walked away from the screen disgusted after reading your tripe.

Why don't you answer the question instead of ducking?

If it is ok to kill Neely why not ok to kill that racist Karen in the subway doing the exact same thing?? If I'm wrong, what was the difference in the 2 incidents?

Or are you just being a coward? I gave my opinion.

 

[Indus]

Why don't you answer the question instead of ducking?

If it is ok to kill Neely why not ok to kill that racist Karen in the subway doing the exact same thing?? If I'm wrong, what was the difference in the 2 incidents?

Or are you just being a coward? I gave my opinion.

Apples and oranges imho.

The thing that let Penny off was that he was "trying to apprehend" a violent felon for the police.. that's why he walked. And he had people helping him who all felt Neely was dangerous and threatening everyone.

If he had just shot Neely in the head 1 round.. no way he walks free!

And to answer your question I'm totally okay with smashing her face in with a few punches after she touched the kids.

 

[HomerJS]

Apples and oranges imho.

The thing that let Penny off was that he was "trying to apprehend" a violent felon for the police.. that's why he walked. And he had people helping him who all felt Neely was dangerous and threatening everyone.

If he had just shot Neely in the head 1 round.. no way he walks free!

And to answer your question I'm totally okay with smashing her face in with a few punches after she touched the kids.

Neely didn't touch anyone just verbal assaults. That woman on the train was verbally assaulting Indian Americans. How is it any different? In her case nobody would help.

A person trained to apply chokeholds can do it without killing. Neely was 160 lbs soaking wet. If Penny shot him would have likely walked.

 

[Indus]

If Penny shot him would have likely walked.

I doubt that. We may be a bunch of NIMBY liberals here.. but bullets flying everywhere pisses us off!

 

[Jaskalas]

If Penny shot him would have likely walked.

Did the trial prove Penny killed the guy?
A MAGA talking point is that Neely had fatal complications from drugs. Which is why he wigged out on strangers on the subway. And why he did not survive being detained.

That a Jury could find him not guilty, suggests to me that this notion was both adopted and used in the trial. But I don't know for certain how it played out.

Did the defense use self defense to justify killing, or did they claim he did not kill him?

 

[MrSquished]

Did the trial prove Penny killed the guy?
A MAGA talking point is that Neely had fatal complications from drugs. Which is why he wigged out on strangers on the subway. And why he did not survive being detained.

That a Jury could find him not guilty, suggests to me that this notion was both adopted and used in the trial. But I don't know for certain how it played out.

Did the defense use self defense to justify killing, or did they claim he did not kill him?

The autopsy confirmed he died from asphyxiation due to the choke hold. That is on the record.

The defense even brought up racist sickle cell arguments as a potential cause of death.

 

[Indus]

Did the trial prove Penny killed the guy?
A MAGA talking point is that Neely had fatal complications from drugs. Which is why he wigged out on strangers on the subway. And why he did not survive being detained.

That a Jury could find him not guilty, suggests to me that this notion was both adopted and used in the trial. But I don't know for certain how it played out.

Did the defense use self defense to justify killing, or did they claim he did not kill him?

Maybe just maybe the jury wanted to send a message..

Violent career criminal lives don't matter!

I think some people need to understand their own cherry picking of facts and feelings often defeats their own arguments.

So we hate Trump because he's a career criminal.. PERIOD. Everything else is on top of that but that's the baseline.

Now you want us to like and feel sorry for Neely who was a career criminal?? And you want me to care just because he's black?? Big inconsistency there..

And I'm willing to bet the jury googled that and that crept into their decision as well along with wanting to make a political statement.

 

[MrSquished]

Maybe just maybe the jury wanted to send a message..

Violent career criminal lives don't matter!

You should become a cop, you'd fit in real well with the MAGA cop stereotype.

 

[HomerJS]

Notice how @Drach completely ducked the question how is what Neely did any different vs the woman who verbally assaulted the Indian Americans?

I think he knows I have a point he cannot refute. Go ahead, tell all of us how the attacks are different.

Why is Penny's life worth so much less vs the woman?

 

[mindless1]

Notice how @Drach completely ducked the question how is what Neely did any different vs the woman who verbally assaulted the Indian Americans?

I think he knows I have a point he cannot refute. Go ahead, tell all of us how the attacks are different.

Why is Penny's life worth so much less vs the woman?

I'd consider it quite different because the risk of serious bodily harm from a middle aged suburban karen is orders of magnitude lower than from a mentally ill 30 y/o male roaming around and getting in peoples' faces. Sticks and stones... say anything you want, but when it comes to having to wonder if I'm getting sucker punched or worse, it's not the same situation.

It's not a question of value of life, certainly Penny shouldn't have died, but he did act in a way that resulted in the strangle hold. The strangle hold seemed reasonable, just not to continue doing it until he was dead. Some people might have wanted to strangle the racist karen too, but if you think the threat level is the same, you're deluded.

 

[HomerJS]

I'd consider it quite different because the risk of serious bodily harm from a middle aged suburban karen is orders of magnitude lower than from a mentally ill 30 y/o male roaming around and getting in peoples' faces. Sticks and stones... say anything you want, but when it comes to having to wonder if I'm getting sucker punched or worse, it's not the same situation.

It's not a question of value of life, certainly Penny shouldn't have died, but he did act in a way that resulted in the strangle hold. The strangle hold seemed reasonable, just not to continue doing it until he was dead. Some people might have wanted to strangle the racist karen too, but if you think the threat level is the same, you're deluded.

Verbal assaults are verbal assaults. Next time a person of color is assaulted in public I hope they just kill a bitch.

Equal rights, correct? Threats are open to interpretation. Or maybe in America equal rights just for some.

I wish this sister had pounded this Karen’s head into the pavement until dead. One punch wasn’t enough. Its the new Penny rule.

 

[mindless1]

Verbal assaults are verbal assaults. Next time a person of color is assaulted in public I hope they just kill a bitch.

There is something wrong with you that I can't fix over the internet while you are in rabies mode.

Seek a mental health professional. This is not an insult, this is in your best interests and you don't have to tell any of us about it!

No, verbal assaults aren't all the same. I could verbally assault you right now and you wouldn't be in fear because, as I already stated, the threat level isn't the same. If you are really in fear right now, then again it's the same need for a mental health professional.

So, are you in fear right now? I could leap out of your monitor and verbally assault you, but instead I advocate something that helps you. If this is instead about a generalized anxiety issue you face, and you are just fixated on blaming xyz political or social climates for it, then get back to basics of that, instead of trying to place blame on why you feel that way.

Believe it or not, I am a friendly person, that happened to major in psychology too, but I think psychology is 90% bullshit, but there is that other 10%. You are passionate, haven't given up fighting, so there IS hope for you. Turn that effort around.

#irony

 

[ch33zw1z]

All this energy on a homeless criminal who was in and out of jail 44 times.

Where's the fucking energy for 100 million Americans who feel they've been left behind by the economy and they didn't resort to doing illegal stuff that would make them end up in jail even 4 times?

No you would call them "The garbage that speaks".

That's the problem in a nutshell. And I'm beginning to think Squishy is a right wing bot.. distract, depress and decimate.

This is called whataboutism, more pointedly a red herring, we can be energetic for both. The 100 million of whatever number of people consistently voting against their own interests is irrelevant to this situation but can still be discussed. So start a thread about it.

 

[MrSquished]

There is something wrong with you that I can't fix over the internet while you are in rabies mode.

Seek a mental health professional. This is not an insult, this is in your best interests and you don't have to tell any of us about it!

No, verbal assaults aren't all the same. I could verbally assault you right now and you wouldn't be in fear because, as I already stated, the threat level isn't the same. If you are really in fear right now, then again it's the same need for a mental health professional.

So, are you in fear right now? I could leap out of your monitor and verbally assault you, but instead I advocate something that helps you. If this is instead about a generalized anxiety issue you face, and you are just fixated on blaming xyz political or social climates for it, then get back to basics of that, instead of trying to place blame on why you feel that way.

Believe it or not, I am a friendly person, that happened to major in psychology too, but I think psychology is 90% bullshit, but there is that other 10%. You are passionate, haven't given up fighting, so there IS hope for you. Turn that effort around.

#irony

The fact you wrote all this stupid when he's clearly talking about verbally assaulting someone in three-dimensional land, is hysterical.

 

[outriding]

The amount of force must be equal to the situation. Full stop.



To all those who approve of penny getting off do you approve when a cop tasers a person when they call them a tyrant?



This is no different

This sets a horrible precedent there is not room for vigilantes

 

[iRONic]

There is something wrong with you that I can't fix over the internet

#irony

All this irony has just… ironically… killed me.

JFC