Jim Tressel resigns frrom Ohio state

[edro]

Please tell me you're not actually a student or alum of OSU. You're either hopelessly biased or borderline retarded to not realize that providing illegal benefits that other schools aren't willing to offer (because, you know, it's against the rules) is going to make your program not only more competitive, but full of rule breakers.

Typical OSU hater. Keep trying.
Wisconsin might become a contender in another 40 years.

If you think Wisconsin, or any other school, has not broken any NCAA rules, EVERY SEASON since their inception, you are the retarded one.

Of course the problem is that OSU got caught and lied about it... which they are paying for.

It's exactly like speeding and telling the cop you were doing "55" when he just clocked you at 65.

Everyone speeds... but you gotta pay the price when you get caught.

 

[TheVrolok]

Typical OSU hater. Keep trying.
Wisconsin might become a contender in another 40 years.

If you think Wisconsin, or any other school, has not broken any NCAA rules, EVERY SEASON since their inception, you are the retarded one.

Of course the problem is that OSU got caught and lied about it... which they are paying for.

It's exactly like speeding and telling the cop you were doing "55" when he just clocked you at 65.

Everyone speeds... but you gotta pay the price when you get caught.

I'm not sure all schools go to the lengths that OSU did to break the rules, no. Is it possible that many big programs do? Yes, but can you sit there and make a blanket statement like "everybody does it!" as your defense? Onl if you're a 10 year old.

 

[endlessmike]

I'm not sure all schools go to the lengths that OSU did to break the rules, no. Is it possible that many big programs do? Yes, but can you sit there and make a blanket statement like "everybody does it!" as your defense? Onl if you're a 10 year old.

I am not using "everybody does it!" as a defense. I'm saying that it's probably not wise for all the clearly anti-OSU among you to gloat and revel in this too much, because your closet might not be a whole lot cleaner.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

I am not using "everybody does it!" as a defense. I'm saying that it's probably not wise for all the clearly anti-OSU among you to gloat and revel in this too much, because your closet might not be a whole lot cleaner.

I think it's pretty clear at this point that in fact, most college football programs' closets are much cleaner than yours.

The bottom line is this: I hold degrees from Michigan and Wisconsin. OSU is a fine school, and I've collaborated with students and faculty from OSU on numerous occasions. I know many OSU alum and find them mostly classy, like the alumni from any Big Ten school. I dislike Ohio's football program because it's dirty, and it embodies the 'win at any cost' attitude that placates rabid no connects like edro, who keep running their mouths and talking shit like a 10 year old ('bu..bu...but everyone else does it!1!') while the building burns down around them.

Like I said on the first page, good luck. You're going to need it.

 

[TheVrolok]

I am not using "everybody does it!" as a defense. I'm saying that it's probably not wise for all the clearly anti-OSU among you to gloat and revel in this too much, because your closet might not be a whole lot cleaner.

That's all speculative. As it stands, Tressel is a massive hypocrite and OSU looks pathetic.

 

[BeauJangles]

I am not using "everybody does it!" as a defense. I'm saying that it's probably not wise for all the clearly anti-OSU among you to gloat and revel in this too much, because your closet might not be a whole lot cleaner.

I think most people are calling it like they see it.

Tressel was a man who prided his public image on his Christian values and his strong moral guidance of his players. What has been revealed is that he's had a history of not only ignoring rules but flaunting them. According to SI, his transgressions go all the way through his OSU career and into his days at Youngstown.

Whether or not you agree with the rules the NCAA has in place (I don't at all), Tressel is nothing short of a massive liar, a co-conspirator, and a fraud. He might be a hell of a football coach, but he isn't exactly the man you want to mentor your children and he certainly doesn't resemble the man portrayed by his carefully-crafted public image.

 

[lupi]

Oh the lulz, claiming this is only minor stuff.

 

[endlessmike]

The thing is that people thought things were out of hand when Cooper was there. Tressel was brought in to bring back the integrity, pride, and hard working ethic that people thought were missing in years prior (har), and from a distance the clean cut mild mannered coach and the consistent success that he brought led most people to believe that was the case. That's what's making it so hard for a lot of OSU fans to accept.

The Dispatch site still has 2747 days up since OSU has lost to Michigan, and now you can say, "Yeah, but!" To anyone who respects OSU to begin with, the reputation and credibility hit will last way longer than the NCAA penalties.

The good news is you all have somehting new to hate besides people saying THE Ohio State University. 😀

 

[Gigantopithecus]

The Dispatch site still has 2747 days up since OSU has lost to Michigan, and now you can say, "Yeah, but!" To anyone who respects OSU to begin with, the reputation and credibility hit will last way longer than the NCAA penalties.

That's precisely it. Believe me, owning OSU in the 90s was not a satisfying remedy for losing year after year in the 00s. But you had to at least respect the Vest for fielding great teams and dominating the Big Ten.

Now, you don't. Now, it's 60-90 days before Ohio gets either castrated or executed by the NCAA.

 

[Wordplay]

That's easy to say and you might have a point, BUT, remember these kids get a free education (or at least that's one of the selling points) which runs $100K+ at many schools.

Additionally, and what is not discussed by most of those that don't think this is a big deal, is that the schools are willing participants of the NCAA and it's rules and regulations. Therefore, they are bound by them. The NCAA is not a government organization, and not all schools belong to the NCAA (there is the NAIA, NJCAA and others). Just like any other organization, if you belong to it you are required to follow it's rules, otherwise you are penalized.

If you get injured and cannot play anymore or coach thinks you are not doing good enough he can take your scholarship away, bye bye free education. To be honest it really isn't a free education more like a 24/7/365 job for education. These players have to give it everything or else.

Schools stick with the NCAA because that is where the money is at now. No reason to lose out on the millions of dollars they get from sport events like football and basketball.

 

[TheVrolok]

That's precisely it. Believe me, owning OSU in the 90s was not a satisfying remedy for losing year after year in the 00s. But you had to at least respect the Vest for fielding great teams and dominating the Big Ten.

Now, you don't. Now, it's 60-90 days before Ohio gets either castrated or executed by the NCAA.

This is the bottom line. I'm a PSU grad, but honestly, I'm just a football fan as well. So sure, I'd root for PSU in our games against other Big10 teams, but I rooted for the other Big10 teams also. I had the utmost respect for what Tressel had assembled, and how he did it; now, however, he's just another sham. Unfortunate.

 

[preslove]

I wonder how long it will take for a Lloyd Carr interview to take place... :hmm:

 

[vi edit]

One thing I have to wonder is this....

Even if athletes did get "paid" would it really change anything? There's still going to be deals cut under the table, some other kinds of perks and benefits, ect. Greed will prevail because enough is never enough.

 

[edro]

We have no control over how a football program is ran or the choices they make.
All we can do is cheer them on to victory; that's what makes us fans.
I am Ohio born and raised and I will always be a Buckeye fan.

I'm not defending their actions. They broke the rules (as minor as they are) and are paying for it.

If the recent Ohio State/USC debacles have to prove as examples in an attempt to clean up college sports, so be it.
It will be a nice attempt but will fail.

Where there is money and stardom, there is corruption. (as minor as this case may be)

 

[TheVrolok]

We have no control over how a football program is ran or the choices they make.
All we can do is cheer them on to victory; that's what makes us fans.
I am Ohio born and raised and I will always be a Buckeye fan.

I'm not defending their actions. They broke the rules (as minor as they are) and are paying for it.

If the recent Ohio State/USC debacles have to prove as examples in an attempt to clean up college sports, so be it.
It will be a nice attempt but will fail.

Where there is money and stardom, there is corruption. (as minor as this case may be)

I can't believe how OSU fans' reaction is, "Meh, it happens, it's not a big deal anyway, stupid rules, we just happened to get caught, oops." You guys were buying players, and Tressel has been covering it up for years, willfully. Why can't you guys just say, "Wow, our guys really fucked up and we're incredibly disappointed" without all the downplaying?

 

[BeauJangles]

(as minor as this case may be)

Get your head out of the sand.

Your former coach has spent his entire career helping kids skirt the system he's supposed to uphold. From the SI article, it seems that Tressel was pretty deep into this stuff, too. He was connecting star players with prominent wealthy alumni and turning a blind eye to the merchandise sales that were going on.

He was basically hooking up his athletes with money, cars, and whatever else they wanted. It's about as serious a violation of NCAA rules as there can be and, regardless of your opinion on those rules, it's clear that Tressel broke them in a major way.

 

[Ackmed]

That's precisely it. Believe me, owning OSU in the 90s was not a satisfying remedy for losing year after year in the 00s. But you had to at least respect the Vest for fielding great teams and dominating the Big Ten.

Now, you don't. Now, it's 60-90 days before Ohio gets either castrated or executed by the NCAA.

Doesnt matter if they dominate the big ten, the SEC owns them. And everyone else.

 

[preslove]

I can't believe how OSU fans' reaction is, "Meh, it happens, it's not a big deal anyway, stupid rules, we just happened to get caught, oops." You guys were buying players, and Tressel has been covering it up for years, willfully. Why can't you guys just say, "Wow, our guys really fucked up and we're incredibly disappointed" without all the downplaying?

Because their team is going to suck for at least the next 5 years and they want to spend that time pretending to be victims of arbitrary NCAA enforcement, rather than their team's folly.

 

[endlessmike]

I can't believe how OSU fans' reaction is, "Meh, it happens, it's not a big deal anyway, stupid rules, we just happened to get caught, oops." You guys were buying players, and Tressel has been covering it up for years, willfully. Why can't you guys just say, "Wow, our guys really fucked up and we're incredibly disappointed" without all the downplaying?

That's pretty much what I said and how most people I have spoken to feel. It's extremely disappointing, surprising, and frustrating. It does not mean we have to stop being OSU fans or quit supporting our school and team.

For all the people who are saying its no big deal, there appears to be at least an equal amount who seem to be getting some vindictive enjoyment out of all of this, media included. There is nothing I could post here or no penalty they could receive that would appease some of you.

 

[edro]

They are all just allegations.
Since Tattoo Gate came out, they are under the microscope... so any tiny detail is reported as a huge rule violation.

I'm gonna love it when OSU wins the Big Ten this year without a coach or their stars for the first half.
But I'm sure the haters will chime in with some cheating comment...

 

[TheVrolok]

They are all just allegations.
Since Tattoo Gate came out, they are under the microscope... so any tiny detail is reported as a huge rule violation.

I'm gonna love it when OSU wins the Big Ten this year without a coach or their stars for the first half.

The denial is extreme in this one.

 

[TheVrolok]

That's pretty much what I said and how most people I have spoken to feel. It's extremely disappointing, surprising, and frustrating. It does not mean we have to stop being OSU fans or quit supporting our school and team.

I don't think anyone is saying you have to stop being OSU fans, it''s people like edro here who are making your fans look bad.

 

[edro]

The denial is extreme in this one.

It's called support.
The sharks are always ready to attack when they smell blood.
I'm here with my scarlet and grey glasses on, giving you the other side of the coin.
I am the devil's advocate.

O-H!

 

[Kirby]

 

[TheVrolok]

It's called support.

O-H!

You can support AND acknowledge the severity of the situation; support by denial is simply ignorance. Look at endlessmike, he's being supportive and still admitting to what has transpired.