Jesse Helms dead

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

I am here to point out that when members of the left establishment die those of us on the right don't run around talk about how we hope they burn in hell. It is an uniquely liberal thing to claim to be compassionate and high minded then turn around and insult people after they have died. Go dig up the Jerry Fallwell thread to see what I am talking about.

You're so full of shit my ass is jealous... or did I miss something in the hate filled rhetoric of all those idiot fundy preachers and their brainless sheep screaming hate and death threats at birth control centers and gay pride parades? :roll:

You have video of Helm's doing that?

Did I say Helms did that? You said it's some "uniquely liberal thing to claim to be compassionate and high minded then turn around and insult people after they have died." I'm saying that statement is bullshit. Do you really want me to dig up videos of fundy idiots spewing their hate?

Start with godhatesfags.com, and work your way down the slime pole.

Established in 1955 by Pastor Fred Phelps, the Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) of Topeka, Kansas still exists today as an Old School (or, Primitive) Baptist Church. We adhere to the teachings of the Bible, preach against all form of sin (e.g., fornication, adultery [including divorce and remarriage], sodomy), and insist that the sovereignty of God and the doctrines of grace be taught and expounded publicly to all men. These doctrines of grace were well summed up by John Calvin in his 5 points of Calvinism: Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irresistible Grace, and Perseverance of the Saints. Although these doctrines are almost universally hated today, they were once loved and believed. Even though the Arminian lies that "God loves everyone" and "Jesus died for everyone" are being taught from nearly every pulpit in this generation, this hasn't always been the case. If you are in a church that supposedly believes the Bible, and you are hearing these lies, then your church doesn't teach what the Bible teaches. If you care about your never-dying soul, you will carefully read every word of this web site, along with the entire Bible.

WBC engages in daily peaceful sidewalk demonstrations opposing the homosexual lifestyle of soul-damning, nation-destroying filth. We display large, colorful signs containing Bible words and sentiments, including: GOD HATES FAGS, FAGS HATE GOD, AIDS CURES FAGS, THANK GOD FOR AIDS, FAGS BURN IN HELL, GOD IS NOT MOCKED, FAGS ARE NATURE FREAKS, GOD GAVE FAGS UP, NO SPECIAL LAWS FOR FAGS, FAGS DOOM NATIONS, THANK GOD FOR DEAD SOLDIERS, i love you TROOPS, GOD BLEW UP THE TROOPS, GOD HATES AMERICA, AMERICA IS DOOMED, THE WORLD IS DOOMED, etc.

Perceiving the modern militant homosexual movement to pose a clear and present danger to the survival of America, exposing our nation to the wrath of God as in 1898 B.C. at Sodom and Gomorrah, WBC has conducted over 33,000 such demonstrations since June, 1991, at homosexual parades and other events, including funerals of impenitent sodomites (like Matthew Shepard) and over 200 military funerals of troops whom God has killed in Iraq/Afghanistan in righteous judgment against an evil nation. America crossed the line on June 26, 2003, when the Supreme Court (the conscience of the nation) ruled that we must respect sodomy. WBC teams have picketed all over the United States, and internationally (including Canada, Jordan and Iraq). The unique picketing ministry of Westboro Baptist Church has received international attention, and WBC believes this gospel message to be this world's last hope.

How many Eric Rudolphs do we need to make the point?

Eric Robert Rudolph (born September 19, 1966), also known as the Olympic Park Bomber, is an American terrorist who committed a series of bombings across the southern United States which killed three people and injured at least 150 others. He declared that his bombings were part of a guerrilla campaign against abortion and what he describes as "the homosexual agenda." He spent years as the FBI's most wanted criminal fugitive, but was eventually caught. In 2005 Rudolph pleaded guilty to numerous federal and state homicide charges and accepted five consecutive life sentences in exchange for avoiding a trial and the death penalty. Rudolph was connected with the Christian Identity movement; today, he self-identifies as a Catholic, and although he has denied that his crimes were religiously or racially motivated, Rudolph has also called himself a Roman Catholic at war over abortion

Helms didn't have to use physical violence. Instead, he tried it with bigoted legislation.

Topics of The Times; Gay-Bashing by Senator Helms

Published: February 21, 1995

Senator Jesse Helms has introduced legislation that would threaten the ability of gay and lesbian employees of the Federal Government to form employee associations. The broadly worded measure would bar the spending of Federal money to promote or carry out any program for Federal workers that somehow encourages the acceptance of homosexuality "as a legitimate and normal lifestyle."

According to the North Carolina Republican, the bill is an attempt to roll back "special rights" granted to homosexuals by the Clinton Administration. But Mr. Helms does not specify what those special rights are, and for a very good reason: they are a figment of his imagination. Far from removing "special rights," the Helms bill, if enacted, could deny homosexuals the same use of meeting rooms and bulletin boards for posting notices routinely enjoyed by other employee groups, including black or Hispanic employee organizations, and clubs like Weight Watchers.

Though the bill has not attracted any co-sponsors so far, its frightening assault on the principle of fair treatment cannot be lightly dismissed. Mr. Helms may try to attach the measure as an amendment to other legislation, setting up a difficult vote for lawmakers fearful of being accused of voting for homosexuality in the next campaign.

The situation poses a challenge for Senator Bob Dole. As majority leader and a Presidential candidate, he has a double duty to speak out against the bigotry embodied in Mr. Helms's hate measure.

 

[ProfJohn]

You go from gothatesfags.com to Eric Rudolph to Helm's trying to pass a bill to prevent federal funds being used to promote the homosexual life style.

Don't you think that is a bit of a leap?

And again, this isn't about Helm's being a wonderful guy, it is about you left leaning members celebrating the death of someone. When Ted Kennedy dies do you think a lot of us on the right are going to be wishing he burns in hell?

 

[ChrisFromNJ]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You go from gothatesfags.com to Eric Rudolph to Helm's trying to pass a bill to prevent federal funds being used to promote the homosexual life style.

Don't you think that is a bit of a leap?

And again, this isn't about Helm's being a wonderful guy, it is about you left leaning members celebrating the death of someone. When Ted Kennedy dies do you think a lot of us on the right are going to be wishing he burns in hell?

Why would we have to assume? The right was celebrating and throwing a party when America learned that Ted Kennedy had a brain tumor.

 

[sportage]

Its sad an elected official, elected to do no harm but only good, had done so much harm. His blowing off his mouth about minorities (blacks, gays, women, liberals) was bad enough, but to do it from the senate floor should have been his demise and expelled.

Jesse even threatened Clinton when old Bill was to visit Jesse's part of the country.
And still he remained in the senate.

Too bad our country can?t install some sort of speed bump, to defuse and control the damage from an elected official that takes matters into his/her own hands.
Then insults the process itself by advancing hate and bigotry from their elective pulpit.

At least we can control a vampire with a simple wooden stake in the chest...

 

[Slick5150]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You go from gothatesfags.com to Eric Rudolph to Helm's trying to pass a bill to prevent federal funds being used to promote the homosexual life style.

Don't you think that is a bit of a leap?

And again, this isn't about Helm's being a wonderful guy, it is about you left leaning members celebrating the death of someone. When Ted Kennedy dies do you think a lot of us on the right are going to be wishing he burns in hell?

Where did I celebrate his death? In fact, I specifically said I'm not. I'm very sorry for his family that he died in fact. I just can't find it in me to personally feel bad about it because, as I said, he spent his life condemning other people's lives.

To me, his life was sad. His death is not.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: ChrisFromNJ

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You go from gothatesfags.com to Eric Rudolph to Helm's trying to pass a bill to prevent federal funds being used to promote the homosexual life style.

Don't you think that is a bit of a leap?

And again, this isn't about Helm's being a wonderful guy, it is about you left leaning members celebrating the death of someone. When Ted Kennedy dies do you think a lot of us on the right are going to be wishing he burns in hell?

Why would we have to assume? The right was celebrating and throwing a party when America learned that Ted Kennedy had a brain tumor.

links?

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: ChrisFromNJ

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You go from gothatesfags.com to Eric Rudolph to Helm's trying to pass a bill to prevent federal funds being used to promote the homosexual life style.

Don't you think that is a bit of a leap?

And again, this isn't about Helm's being a wonderful guy, it is about you left leaning members celebrating the death of someone. When Ted Kennedy dies do you think a lot of us on the right are going to be wishing he burns in hell?

Why would we have to assume? The right was celebrating and throwing a party when America learned that Ted Kennedy had a brain tumor.

Really now?
link
Perhaps you should head to the thread about Ted's cancer and see how many of us on the left were celebrating. :roll:

I'll give you cliffs, only two people made really negative comments about Ted while the rest of us actually found something nice to say about the guy. Including myself.

 

[ChrisFromNJ]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: ChrisFromNJ

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You go from gothatesfags.com to Eric Rudolph to Helm's trying to pass a bill to prevent federal funds being used to promote the homosexual life style.

Don't you think that is a bit of a leap?

And again, this isn't about Helm's being a wonderful guy, it is about you left leaning members celebrating the death of someone. When Ted Kennedy dies do you think a lot of us on the right are going to be wishing he burns in hell?

Why would we have to assume? The right was celebrating and throwing a party when America learned that Ted Kennedy had a brain tumor.

Really now?
link
Perhaps you should head to the thread about Ted's cancer and see how many of us on the left were celebrating. :roll:

I'll give you cliffs, only two people made really negative comments about Ted while the rest of us actually found something nice to say about the guy. Including myself.

Well, to be fair, I was referring to right wing sites like FreeRepublic, which engaged in a virtual toast when the news came out.

I do think it is quite absurd to compare Ted Kennedy to Jesse Helms: Helms was an unrepentant and unapologetic racist while Ted Kennedy was not.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You go from gothatesfags.com to Eric Rudolph to Helm's trying to pass a bill to prevent federal funds being used to promote the homosexual life style.

Don't you think that is a bit of a leap?

Yeah... from one ultra right wing jackass to another to another, each with his own way of spewing hate and hurt.

And since you asked, I don't have time to find tape of this from Falwell

Falwell apologizes to gays, feminists, lesbians

September 14, 2001 Posted: 2:55 AM EDT (0655 GMT)

LYNCHBURG, Virginia (CNN) -- The Rev. Jerry Falwell said late Thursday he did not mean to blame feminists, gays or lesbians for bringing on the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington this week, in remarks on a television program earlier in the day.

On the broadcast of the Christian television program "The 700 Club," Falwell made the following statement:

"I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.'"

And Falwell's evil clone, Pat Robertson, publicly proclaimed that Hurricane Katrina was god's wrath on New Orleans for hosting a gay pride parade.

You said:

I am here to point out that when members of the left establishment die those of us on the right don't run around talk about how we hope they burn in hell. It is an uniquely liberal thing to claim to be compassionate and high minded then turn around and insult people after they have died.

I said you're full of shit. I stand by that.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You go from gothatesfags.com to Eric Rudolph to Helm's trying to pass a bill to prevent federal funds being used to promote the homosexual life style.

Don't you think that is a bit of a leap?

Yeah... from one ultra right wing jackass to another to another, each with his own way of spewing hate and hurt.

And since you asked, I don't have time to find tape of this from Falwell

Falwell apologizes to gays, feminists, lesbians

September 14, 2001 Posted: 2:55 AM EDT (0655 GMT)

LYNCHBURG, Virginia (CNN) -- The Rev. Jerry Falwell said late Thursday he did not mean to blame feminists, gays or lesbians for bringing on the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington this week, in remarks on a television program earlier in the day.

On the broadcast of the Christian television program "The 700 Club," Falwell made the following statement:

"I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.'"

And Falwell's evil clone, Pat Robertson, publicly proclaimed that Hurricane Katrina was god's wrath on New Orleans for hosting a gay pride parade.

You said:

I am here to point out that when members of the left establishment die those of us on the right don't run around talk about how we hope they burn in hell. It is an uniquely liberal thing to claim to be compassionate and high minded then turn around and insult people after they have died.

I said you're full of shit. I stand by that.

Maybe its you who is the shit bag Harvey?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Maybe its you who is the shit bag Harvey?

Or maybe it's you. PJ said:

It is an uniquely liberal thing to claim to be compassionate and high minded then turn around and insult people after they have died.

I just disproved his statement with links to support it and said he was full of shit. Since you want to make that personal, you're welcome to :lips: my (_!_).

 

[ProfJohn]

Harvey, again you bring up someone else and act like it was Helms fault.
What does Falwell have to do with Helms?

Ted Kennedy hangs out with Robert Byrd and Byrd was in the KKK and the KKK has killed many blacks, thus Kennedy must want to kill blacks right?

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: nick1985

Maybe its you who is the shit bag Harvey?

Or maybe it's you. PJ said:

It is an uniquely liberal thing to claim to be compassionate and high minded then turn around and insult people after they have died.

I just disproved his statement with links to support it and said he was full of shit. Since you want to make that personal, you're welcome to :lips: my (_!_).

Elevating the level of discussion as always.

You must have been a lot of fun on the playground.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Harvey, again you bring up someone else and act like it was Helms fault.
What does Falwell have to do with Helms?

Ted Kennedy hangs out with Robert Byrd and Byrd was in the KKK and the KKK has killed many blacks, thus Kennedy must want to kill blacks right?

You don't get it, PJ. I don't give a flying fsck at a rolling doughnut about all that extraneous crap. My only point was that, when you say it's "a uniquely liberal thing," you're blowing smoke out of your ass. It isn't, and I gave you plenty of examples to prove that.

 

[cliftonite]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Again the left leaning members show what great humanitarians they are.

Why is it when you see a well known left leaning person die the conservative members do rush into threads to insult them?

Because this guy was a bigot and like Slick says, consumed by hatred of others. Much as any death is a sad occasion it is hard to feel sorry for someone like Helms.

I do, however, feel sorry for his family and loved ones.

I am not here to defend Helms.

I am here to point out that when members of the left establishment die those of us on the right don't run around talk about how we hope they burn in hell. It is an uniquely liberal thing to claim to be compassionate and high minded then turn around and insult people after they have died. Go dig up the Jerry Fallwell thread to see what I am talking about.

How exactly is this contributing to this thread?

 

[woodie1]

I would like to say that I found Helms to be an interesting character. Never understood how he was re-elected over and over but there are other elected officials that bring the same question to mind. He stood his ground for better or worse. I felt he was an idiot and a clown at times but power will do that.
My condolences to his family.

 

[Butterbean]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Again the left leaning members show what great humanitarians they are.

Why is it when you see a well known left leaning person die the conservative members do rush into threads to insult them?

Because this guy was a bigot and like Slick says, consumed by hatred of others. Much as any death is a sad occasion it is hard to feel sorry for someone like Helms.

I do, however, feel sorry for his family and loved ones.

I am not here to defend Helms.

I am here to point out that when members of the left establishment die those of us on the right don't run around talk about how we hope they burn in hell. It is an uniquely liberal thing to claim to be compassionate and high minded then turn around and insult people after they have died. Go dig up the Jerry Fallwell thread to see what I am talking about.

I remember that thread. Alas it was no surprise. Libs also cry and wring their hands in sorrow over soldier or civilian deaths when the truth is it makes their day.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Butterbean
Libs also cry and wring their hands in sorrow over soldier or civilian deaths when the truth is it makes their day.

Jessie? Is that you? They told me you were dead, but I'd recognize your ignorant hatred and primal stupidity anywhere!

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Butterbean

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Again the left leaning members show what great humanitarians they are.

Why is it when you see a well known left leaning person die the conservative members do rush into threads to insult them?

Because this guy was a bigot and like Slick says, consumed by hatred of others. Much as any death is a sad occasion it is hard to feel sorry for someone like Helms.

I do, however, feel sorry for his family and loved ones.

I am not here to defend Helms.

I am here to point out that when members of the left establishment die those of us on the right don't run around talk about how we hope they burn in hell. It is an uniquely liberal thing to claim to be compassionate and high minded then turn around and insult people after they have died. Go dig up the Jerry Fallwell thread to see what I am talking about.

I remember that thread. Alas it was no surprise. Libs also cry and wring their hands in sorrow over soldier or civilian deaths when the truth is it makes their day.

If you found out a soldier was a liberal... you would either call him/her a gay or crawl back into your cave?

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: LeadMagnet
legislative speed bump Jesse Helms dead. Hopefully god isn't a gay black man.

Article

It would be sweet justice if God were, though.

It is a shame he wasn't an islamic terrorist or else you would be making threads about how he died for what he believed in link

Jessie Helms didn't die for what he believed in. He never exhibited that degree of personal courage.

Instead, he rose to national fame and power selling his primitive brand of bigotry. He crafted a nice comfy life of power and prestige and money off of his hate.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: cliftonite

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Again the left leaning members show what great humanitarians they are.

Why is it when you see a well known left leaning person die the conservative members do rush into threads to insult them?

Because this guy was a bigot and like Slick says, consumed by hatred of others. Much as any death is a sad occasion it is hard to feel sorry for someone like Helms.

I do, however, feel sorry for his family and loved ones.

I am not here to defend Helms.

I am here to point out that when members of the left establishment die those of us on the right don't run around talk about how we hope they burn in hell. It is an uniquely liberal thing to claim to be compassionate and high minded then turn around and insult people after they have died. Go dig up the Jerry Fallwell thread to see what I am talking about.

How exactly is this contributing to this thread?

Yea, what was PJ thinking, he should be cheering this man's death along with everyone else. Is cheering the death of someone your idea of "contributing"?

I doubt I'll see a response from you.

 

[Arkaign]

People whom live with hate/evil, are generally not well missed. As a conservative, William F. Buckley exemplified such things as integrity, intelligence, flexibility, and honesty. None of these apply to Jesse Helms in even a small way, and although I'll stop short of cheering at his timely demise, I can't blame someone for not exactly mourning his passing. If you search the archive for the WFB RIP thread, you'll see many 'liberals' with good things to say about the man, and only a few with the partisan knee-jerk vitriol that infects both the blind right and the blind left with fairly equal abandon. By the grace of God there are exceptions to that trend, even in these cynical and shallow days.

That said ..

'if you have nothing nice to say' ...

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
People whom live with hate/evil, are generally not well missed. As a conservative, William F. Buckley exemplified such things as integrity, intelligence, flexibility, and honesty. None of these apply to Jesse Helms in even a small way, and although I'll stop short of cheering at his timely demise, I can't blame someone for not exactly mourning his passing. If you search the archive for the WFB RIP thread, you'll see many 'liberals' with good things to say about the man, and only a few with the partisan knee-jerk vitriol that infects both the blind right and the blind left with fairly equal abandon. By the grace of God there are exceptions to that trend, even in these cynical and shallow days.

That said ..

'if you have nothing nice to say' ...

Extremely well put.

And butterbean, you do a grave injustice to our fallen servicemen by equating them with Jesse Helms.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I am not here to defend Helms.

I am here to point out that when members of the left establishment die those of us on the right don't run around talk about how we hope they burn in hell. It is an uniquely liberal thing to claim to be compassionate and high minded then turn around and insult people after they have died. Go dig up the Jerry Fallwell thread to see what I am talking about.

So you have nothing to say about the topic of this thread, you only came to point fingers and act all indignant? You remind me of Jerry Falwell. LOL, what a piece of work you are:laugh:

 

[CPA]

What's good for the goose (Helms) apparently is not good for the gander (Kennedy). I guess it's okay to be heartless if the dead person is a republican.