The children here have learned from The Master. This thread is Jesse. All Jesse. Jesse to the max 
Jesse wasn't the first but that of which he was undoubtedly the best:
Number One (with a bullet)
The Fallacy of Omitted Evidence
Jesse was the King. He could take 1/10 of the truth and set up a straw man under which his premises would obfuscate the full factual story. Jesse would omit and intentionally suppress any information that had a direct bearing on the validity of his argument. Even as the omitted information would weaken his tirade Jesse would shamelessly transition to ...
Number Two
The Denial and Personal Attack
When Jesse was confronted with a factual criticism, he would instantly deny the factual criticism and attack his opponent, personally. He loved to talk down at people from his high moral horse. Jesse the Man had a monopoly on "The Truth" (and the "argument ad hominem"). Jesse gave McCarthyism a good name! And he would roll everything together with ...
Number Three
The False Dichotomy
It literally (so it seemed) with Jesse was black and white - "yer for us or agin us" and "Jesse's Way or the Highway". There never was middle ground with him. There was no alternative to Jesse's way. He mastered the "wedge" in politics. God-Guns-Gays-Blacks-Commies ... he used them all.
Jesse's Way is now the Republican Talking Point Handbook.
Jesse wasn't the first but that of which he was undoubtedly the best:
Number One (with a bullet)
The Fallacy of Omitted Evidence
Jesse was the King. He could take 1/10 of the truth and set up a straw man under which his premises would obfuscate the full factual story. Jesse would omit and intentionally suppress any information that had a direct bearing on the validity of his argument. Even as the omitted information would weaken his tirade Jesse would shamelessly transition to ...
Number Two
The Denial and Personal Attack
When Jesse was confronted with a factual criticism, he would instantly deny the factual criticism and attack his opponent, personally. He loved to talk down at people from his high moral horse. Jesse the Man had a monopoly on "The Truth" (and the "argument ad hominem"). Jesse gave McCarthyism a good name! And he would roll everything together with ...
Number Three
The False Dichotomy
It literally (so it seemed) with Jesse was black and white - "yer for us or agin us" and "Jesse's Way or the Highway". There never was middle ground with him. There was no alternative to Jesse's way. He mastered the "wedge" in politics. God-Guns-Gays-Blacks-Commies ... he used them all.
Jesse's Way is now the Republican Talking Point Handbook.
Engineer
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So Helms is a biggot and Kennedy is a murderer? I didn't know either of those. I'm suprised that one can be a Senator after being convicted for murder. I can understand a biggot being elected, especially from the right state but any state that would elect a convicted murderer.....
Oh, and I still don't see any condolences from "anyone" for this man. He must not have been well liked by anyone....
Engineer
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Convicting a Kennedy in MA? You gotta be kidding.Originally posted by: Engineer
So he wasn't a convicted murder like corn suggested?
So corn admits that Helms is a biggot but lied about Kennedy being a convicted murder?
Go figure.......
Anyone have anything good to say about Helms? Anyone? Anything?
Kerouactivist
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The world is most likely a better place without him.......As Christopher Hitchens said about the death of Jerry Falwell "I think it's a pity there isn't a hell for him to go too"
Corn
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I have nothing good to say about Helms, the man helped shape the political party I love into the twisted perversion it is today by associating it with quite a few indefensible (by any thinking and humane standards) positions attracting the support of individuals not representative of the ideals of which the GOP was formed. Regardless, the man's only "guilty" act was his outspoken opinion and ability to rally support. This is America is it not? Should we not be free to have any opinion we wish--even if wrong? My opinion of Helms is not positive, but I won't treat the man as if he were Hitler incarnate, I won't urinate on his grave, or debase myself by suggesting that others should do so.
The childish responses in this thread are not suprising, they are expected.
As Engineer pointed out, there's not a single good thing to say about the guy - even from conservatives - and we're supposed to be respectful about his death? Why? He was a racist, bigoted POS. The feigned outrage and disgust is comical.
In addition to my above comments I will add:
Jesse and his staff provided top-notch constituent services. If you had an issue with Social Security, Medicare, veteran benefits, etc., they would work very hard for you. That was their job.
I'm a Tar Heel, too. During the 1980's and early '90's I worked in local gov't admin for 3 communities. I talked to Jesse on multiple ocassions, met the man, shook his hand and looked him in the eye numerous times. He may have been full of shit but one-on-one he wasn't a bullshit politician. He could be engaging and was quite knowledgeable on the intricacies and functions of federal, state and local gov'ts.
He was, however, well to the right of even Reagan's 'New Federalism'.
GroundedSailor
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A car accident is murder? At best it is involuntary manslaughter which does not usually carry a long sentence. Even the judge called it negligent driving and did not order Kennedy's arrest.
The thing Ted Kennedy did wrong was not report it or call the emergency services right away, instead choosing to cover it up. I felt he should have done some time for that itself, if not for the death of his passenger.
I still stand by my point of big difference.
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