that ted kennedy thread was one of the most hate filled threads i've seen, even worse than the arafat one.
that ted kennedy thread was one of the most hate filled threads i've seen, even worse than the arafat one.
So you don't feel happy if a terrorist dies? Based on the absolute nature of your statement, it seems pretty clear that you think it's wrong to celebrate the passing of ANYONE. Can I assume that when Osama bites the big one, you'll be running around yelling at posters who are happy about it? I'm not comparing Jesse Helms to Osama bin Laden, of course...but your position doesn't seem to leave much wiggle room for anyone to differentiate their passing.
But let me propose a saner alternative. Let the actions of the person when they are living guide how you react to their death. Don't worry about their political views and the like, but try to judge them on more objective things. If someone is a complete asshole, even if they are from your political party, I see no reason to mourn their passing. Similarly, if someone tries to do good and you just don't happen to agree with all their views, suck it up and give them credit when they die.
I have no problem bashing Jesse Helms, and see nothing hypocritical about not supporting the same when other political figures die. As much as some people would like this to be kindergarten, where everyone is exactly "equal", the fact is that's obviously not the case. Jesse Helms was an asshole who did nothing redeeming at all in his entire life. I'm not sorry he's gone, and I think it's small minded of people like you to insist he be treated as someone he was not simple because he was a member of your political party.
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Ask yourself why he tried to cover it up. He was at a party, most likely he was drunk. Killing someone while driving drunk often is prosecuted as 2nd degree murder, as is the case of Thomas Wellenger.
This thread is about Jesse Helms. Nothing Ted Kennedy did will make Helms any less of a turd in the punchbowl of American history.
Especially since there is no such place.
I haven't given much thought to Helms since he retired and he hasn't been relevant since civil rights were ratified.
Some of his career "highlights":
If you look up his history, it's pretty tough going to find something redeeming. I'm sure it's there somewhere, but the fact that you have to look so hard is pretty telling.
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Hitch's better quote was "If you gave Falwell an enema, you could bury him in a matchbox."
Oh, and PJ, check the Buckley RIP thread for how people treat the death of a conservative who wasn't a hate monger: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...key=y&keyword1=buckley
When Falwell died his thread was filled with the same type of comments as those which were leveled against him when he was alive. You don't earn respect just for dying.
If you really wanted to defend Helms, you could always go out and dig up something positive to say about him, instead of pissing and moaning about what others say. It would be interesting to know whether you could find anything.
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Originally posted by: Harvey
If you really wanted to defend Helms, you could always go out and dig up something positive to say about him, instead of pissing and moaning about what others say. It would be interesting to know whether you could find anything.
Only an idiot would believe I was defending Helms, especially given my earlier comments........
......still, that does not change the fact that Rainsford, much like yourself, is clueless.
Originally posted by: Corn
Originally posted by: Harvey
If you really wanted to defend Helms, you could always go out and dig up something positive to say about him, instead of pissing and moaning about what others say. It would be interesting to know whether you could find anything.
Only an idiot would believe I was defending Helms, especially given my earlier comments........
......still, that does not change the fact that Rainsford, much like yourself, is clueless.
:lips: my (_!_).
Lets visit some of the great quotes by Helms:
"I've been portrayed as a caveman by some. That's not true.
I'm a conservative progressive, and that means I think all men
are equal, be they slants, beaners or *****.
Jesse Helms, North Carolina Progressive, February 6, 1985, "
"To rob the Negro of his reputation of thinking through a problem
in his own fashion is about the same as trying to pretend that he
doesn't have a natural instinct for rhythm and for
singing and dancing."
"The Negro cannot count forever on the kind of restraint
that's thus far left him free to clog the streets, disrupt traffic,
and interfere with other men's rights."
"The New York Times and The Washington Post are both infested
with homosexuals themselves."
The Post, he charged, "caters to homosexual groups.
Just about every person down there is homosexual or lesbian,"
University of North Carolina (UNC)
"University of Negroes and Communists".
What a wonderful person.
"I've been portrayed as a caveman by some. That's not true.
I'm a conservative progressive, and that means I think all men
are equal, be they slants, beaners or *****.
Jesse Helms, North Carolina Progressive, February 6, 1985, "
"To rob the Negro of his reputation of thinking through a problem
in his own fashion is about the same as trying to pretend that he
doesn't have a natural instinct for rhythm and for
singing and dancing."
"The Negro cannot count forever on the kind of restraint
that's thus far left him free to clog the streets, disrupt traffic,
and interfere with other men's rights."
"The New York Times and The Washington Post are both infested
with homosexuals themselves."
The Post, he charged, "caters to homosexual groups.
Just about every person down there is homosexual or lesbian,"
University of North Carolina (UNC)
"University of Negroes and Communists".
What a wonderful person.
OK I'll say something positive...
He wasn't a flip flopper!
(unlike Byrd the other racist senator)
Byrd quote:
""I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."
Watch Harvey et al come to defend Byrd now
He wasn't a flip flopper!
(unlike Byrd the other racist senator)
Byrd quote:
""I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."
Watch Harvey et al come to defend Byrd now
Engineer
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Originally posted by: alchemize
OK I'll say something positive...
He wasn't a flip flopper!
(unlike Byrd the other racist senator)
Byrd quote:
""I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."
Watch Harvey et al come to defend Byrd now
I'm not going to defend Byrd but if that's all the good you (or anyone else) can say about Helms, it sure goes to show what legacy the man leaves behind. Pretty sad.
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