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Question Jen Sung makes questionable decision? [RUMOR] NVidia tries to disable GPU mining?

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PingSpike

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MrTeal

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You can just use an HDMI dummy plug for part of that. They're like 7$ or something.
Yeah, the monitor is less of an issue, IIRC I used to have to do that all the time with 5000 series cards mining BTC. It's more the current limit of 1 if that's accurate.
 
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I'm sure the Nvidia team is all very excited right now by the massive interest in their developer program.
Surely there's 10s of thousands of new nvidia optimized indy titles going to be released in the next year.
I do kind of wonder what the shortage will do to game development especially if it goes a long time like a year plus.
Imagine making a game envisioning most will have HD lighting or ray tracing by the time you release it and nearly nobody has that capability.
 
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I do kind of wonder what the shortage will do to game development especially if it goes a long time like a year plus.
Imagine making a game envisioning most will have HD lighting or ray tracing by the time you release it and nearly nobody has that capability.
Most gamers wouldn't have newer technologies like that even if there weren't a mining boom sucking up a lot of the GPUs right now. It'll be at least another 3-4 years before most of that technology penetrates that market. Most of the low-end cards won't be able to run the effects very well so developers will leave them as an option that can be turned on for this who want to or have the high-end cards capable of getting acceptable performance.

Besides, once the mining boom ends we're going to see all of these cards coming flooding into the market. It's the same thing that happened last time.
 
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Most gamers wouldn't have newer technologies like that even if there weren't a mining boom sucking up a lot of the GPUs right now. It'll be at least another 3-4 years before most of that technology penetrates that market. Most of the low-end cards won't be able to run the effects very well so developers will leave them as an option that can be turned on for this who want to or have the high-end cards capable of getting acceptable performance.

Besides, once the mining boom ends we're going to see all of these cards coming flooding into the market. It's the same thing that happened last time.
Im talking like this goes on for a year or two. What happens, who knows.
 
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Im talking like this goes on for a year or two. What happens, who knows.
It doesn't really matter unless AMD or Nvidia stop making GPUs, which they won't given the increased demand makes it easier for them to manufacture even more GPUs. If the mining boom lasts two years, then when it does there's two years worth of GPUs previously used for mining that hit the market and deeply discounted prices that make it incredibly affordable for people to pick up.

All the mining boom ultimately does is create a temporary delay in those cards getting into the hands of gamers. Most games just starting development now or being designed to incorporate those new technologies instead of tacking them on later aren't going to come out for 2+ years.
 
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Im talking like this goes on for a year or two. What happens, who knows.
It will be over a year.

Eth's timeline for migrating over is still unknown, Eth 2.0 beta is running in parallel, and I understand they plan to merge to a hybrid PoS/PoW system before going to a full PoS system. Starting with a system that only uses PoS for 1 in a 100 blocks, and increasing that as time goes by.

This means after Eth 2 gets merged with Ethereum, we will still be mining.

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Even when it is complete, there are other profitable coins out there. This plague is not likely to go away any time soon.
 

moonbogg

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I do kind of wonder what the shortage will do to game development especially if it goes a long time like a year plus.
Imagine making a game envisioning most will have HD lighting or ray tracing by the time you release it and nearly nobody has that capability.
If people keep mining despite any drop in coin value, the industry will get destroyed or drastically transformed IMO. People see now that at any point in the future, a supply of obscure coin can suddenly make them rich if a boom occurs. I'd expect people to keep mining. As long as GPUs remain good at mining, I honestly expect gaming to become a secondary use of GPUs and the discrete gaming GPU market might just go away. It could end up being only consoles and a semi-equivalent PC APU driven industry.
I can tell you this right now, if people believe that GPUs will be a source of income for them, gaming will take a back seat and miners will become the primary customer base very easily. Everyone makes more money when selling to miners while everyone makes less when selling to gamers. Gamers whine and complain about cost and issues with their games etc etc. Miners don't care. They will pay more, buy in massive quantities, and they won't request a single RMA nor will they complain about driver issues and flood the Nvidia forums with whiny, entitled complaints.
The GPU may become a mainstay in the global economy of the future and no one in the industry will miss PC gaming, except for the entire PC gaming industry that revolves around the GPU. Oh well, it is what it is. Too bad miners don't care about RGB or some of the industry could be salvaged.
 
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So much for the hashrate limiter being some sort of super secret proprietary sauce involving gang signs between the drivers and the hardware or anything.

It didn't really matter anyway, these things were going for outrageous prices with the limiter, so whatever they go for now will be largely academic for the rest of us...
 

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Yikes, that is scary. But then China kinda had been waffling about it a while back. Not to delve into politics at all...but it's mainly about control.
 
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That summary is incorrect. What I read was NOT that India was banning ALL crypto-currency, ONLY "private" varieties... basically anything that would compete with their own home-grown, STATE-SPONSORED "crypto" that they are coming out with.

It's not about banning "crypto", it's about ELIMINATING COMPETITION.

That's OK. Like all regressive right-wing regimes, Modi's India is destined to fall by the wayside of the world, with this decision.
 
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As a follow-up apparently the limiter is only removed for the card attached to the primary monitor, so this driver would allow gamers to do a bit of mining on the side but not be much use to mining farms unless they can find a way to work around that.
 

PingSpike

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Heard a rumor that the mining limit is also only disabled if you have a pcie link greater than 1x. The source is apparently a mining discord though...
 

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It's not about banning "crypto", it's about ELIMINATING COMPETITION.
Yeah, ultimately the issue crypto will face. if ethereum really gets PoS working and scales and get's more serious in terms of it's actual goals (dApps, not crypto!) then I'm pretty sure bank lobbyists will come up with a way to cripple if not forbid it by law.
 

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