Jeff Sessions has just resigned

[Hayabusa Rider]

He just tried to invade the Soviet Union if you want to use the WWII analogy. Plus something like this was inevitable before the end.

Being so obvious, even for Trump may be a headache for Reps after Jan 3.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Couldn’t the court simply order the IRS directly to turn over the taxes if he refuses?

Yes, but Trump isn't sane. I don't know if he'd start attacking IRS employees, not with guns and knives of course.

 

[cytg111]

Aaaaaand Rosenstein is out ... Achievement unlocked : Obstruction of Justice

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

No, in that case the courts would order the IRS to deliver the documents to Congress and if IRS officials refused they would be jailed for contempt. Trump can order them not to but unless he sends the army over to the IRS building he can't stop it.

At this point, Trump has demonstrated to my satisfaction that there is no action he would not attempt. As an example Congress can order the IRS to turn over documents and try to run that and everything else for that matter up to the SCOTUS.

That would be a crazy thing to do, and so it suits him. The Supreme Court is going to end up with "Don't open the door. Tell him we're out".

 

[Blackjack200]

Aaaaaand Rosenstein is out ... Achievement unlocked : Obstruction of Justice

Very cool system of government we have here that is definitely a democracy.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Aaaaaand Rosenstein is out ... Achievement unlocked : Obstruction of Justice

There is no obstruction if there is no case brought. We can say it's there, but it's dust in the wind.

 

[cytg111]

There is no obstruction if there is no case brought. We can say it's there, but it's dust in the wind.

Trump stopping an investigation into himself is not obstruction?

 

[soulcougher73]

Are you high?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury

He's just stupid is all. Pay no heed to him.

 

[soulcougher73]

I didn't say it was a law. I said it was a matter of practicality. Even a President held in prison is still the President with everything that entails. It can't work that way.

I think that would be kind of funny in a way. I picture him thinking he is still relevant behind bars in his orange jump suit (wow that's a lot of orange) as president while the US actually just moves on from him, since that would be too embarrassing to let him think he still has actual power behind bars.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

There would be no justifiable Executive basis for keeping them private and I would not be surprised at this point if he refused the House AND SCOTUS, declaring that he himself, alone, has the power to keep or release them.

He could of course as the only remedy at this point would be removal through the Senate and at that point they'll go for it or else the only thing won't get funding for toilet paper.

I don’t think he has that luxury. As I understand if Maxine Waters asks the IRS for anyone or any business tax filings they are obliged to provide them. There is no discussion with the tax filer.
She is supposed to keep them secret but it’s unlikely they won’t be leaked.

 

[umbrella39]

Are you high?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury

It takes some longer than others to figure out they are trying to reason with a meat puppet troll... Save your blood pressure and keystrokes...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Trump stopping an investigation into himself is not obstruction?

Let me explain how this functionally works.

The Mayor commits a crime. The police and prosecutors need the Mayor's cooperation to proceed which they do not get. If the crime was obstruction, then precisely who is going to bring charges to a court?

 

[Bitek]

Perhaps. Trump will look for an anti-Mueller choice above all other considerations. If I were Mueller I'd be making copies of everything for the GJ to mail off to Congress.

Hopefully Mueller saw this coming from a million miles away like everyone else did and that is already done.

Joked before that he should (have) dropped his report to Congress et al as soon as the last polls closed.

We're in for a shit show, esp during the lame duck session while Rs still pull the strings.

 

[Maxima1]

Flake again. lol
https://twitter.com/JeffFlake/status/1060291790173986816

Earlier this year, we passed S.2644, the Special Counsel Independence and Integrity Act, out of the Senate Judiciary Committee. The bill would safeguard Robert Mueller’s investigation. Leader McConnell should bring the bill to the Senate floor as soon as possible

 

[SMOGZINN]

We're in for a shit show, esp during the lame duck session while Rs still pull the strings.

That is why everything is happening so fast, Trump knows he has just under 2 months to end the investigation and bury what he they have already found.

 

[Bitek]

Flake again. lol
https://twitter.com/JeffFlake/status/1060291790173986816

Earlier this year, we passed S.2644, the Special Counsel Independence and Integrity Act, out of the Senate Judiciary Committee. The bill would safeguard Robert Mueller’s investigation. Leader McConnell should bring the bill to the Senate floor as soon as possible

Or what Fucken Flake?
You'll give him some floor speeches?

You quit, you left, you gave up your power.
McConnell doesnt need to deal with your menschy ass anymore.

He should have thought of that while he still had some leverage. But he didn't. It's just more fuckin whining just like during Kavanaugh. Just stfu.

 

[Jaskalas]

Aaaaaand Rosenstein is out ... Achievement unlocked : Obstruction of Justice

Don't see the news reporting this. Source?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Don't see the news reporting this. Source?

He may be referring to the Justice spokeswoman saying that Whittaker will be overseeing all matters relating to Justice. Meaning he now oversees Mueller, not Rosenstein.

 

[Maxima1]

https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1060300653971628032

If Whitaker goes along, he must think he will get a pardon. It's not clear the SC would rule co-conspirators are pardonable. That shit is ludicrous.

 

[Maxima1]

Holy shit. No wonder Trump picked him.

Matthew Whitaker on @CNN, July 26, 2017: "I could see a scenario where Jeff Sessions is replaced, it would recess appointment and that attorney general doesn't fire Bob Mueller but he just reduces his budget to so low that his investigations grinds to almost a halt."

 

[Sunburn74]

Translation: I and my family/associates have (probably) committed vast tax and financial crimes punishable on the federal and state level so I would not like to show them to you.

This is so obvious. Innocent people don't act this way. The guy is deathly afraid to even sit in a room with mueller and answer a few questions.

 

[Jaskalas]

He may be referring to the Justice spokeswoman saying that Whittaker will be overseeing all matters relating to Justice. Meaning he now oversees Mueller, not Rosenstein.

Ah, yes that makes sense. Not fired, but relieved of his role in the investigation.

Mueller now reports to a guy who wants to shut him down.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Ah, yes that makes sense. Not fired, but relieved of his role in the investigation.

Mueller now reports to a guy who wants to shut him down.

And who is very publicly argued ways to completely neuter him without having to fire him.

Nothing to see here.

 

[K1052]

What I look like when I definitely wasn't fired and the bald Lurch-impersonator taking over for me totally isn't seeing into his own future:

 

[Muse]

In comes someone willing to fire Rosenstein and Mueller

That would be a major scandal, in an administration that can't stop piling them up. That would be a bombshell. Would it alienate his base? Unlikely, they have souls of stone, like the denizens of Sodom and Gomorrah. They lapsed long ago. America must rise from their ashes, or rot in their piled up carcasses.