Japan marks 'return of sovereignty' day

[5150Joker]

Polls like those can be torn apart easily.

1) Did they go into the conservative heartland of those countries?

2) Islam allows lying to non-Muslims

3) The government in those countries were pro-US so the respondents knew which way the wind blew.

Truth is, I've talked to many muslims over the years and, once they got comfortable with me, they told me what they really felt and it was the complete opposite of what those polls say...

What an idiot, you definitely live up to your rep around here.

 

[Dari]

What an idiot, you definitely live up to your rep around here.

Thanks for contributing to the thread, asswipe

 

[dawheat]

My morals are not the same as yours so that is too easy a ground for us to disagree on. Let's not even go there. What we can discuss is who won and who lost and whose laws were broken. The Allies won the war and they got to call some of the losers "war criminals". The Japanese lost and have to accept the punishment handed out. That punishment did not include what they could or could not do with these so called "war criminals. So they did what they've always done...venerate them.

It is never right to impose your morals on another culture. Don't tell others who they can or cannot worship.

Did the Japanese military kill innocent people? Without a doubt. Were they punished for it? Yes. Did they provide compensation and was there an understanding between Japan and her neighbors after the war? Yes. So, after all this, why do these countries want to tell the Japanese what they can and cannot do in their own fucking country? Fuck them. Trying to guilt someone never works.

Decent people can and should judge actions by their own moral center. Mine and thankfully most of the civilized world believes large scale murder, rape, and torture is inherently wrong.

You are aware you're making our own point for us? No one in this thread wants Japan to make more reparations. What they simply want is an unconditional apology and then to leave it at that.

But you and Japanese leaders can't. Every year it has to be a new public comment like "no comfort women were forced", "aggression is hard to establish", "Nanking massacre never happened" and so on. These are the comments that irritate China and Korea.

A truly strong leader and people would be able to let an apology stand without weakening it over time.

 

[dawheat]

Not to be too insensitive, but how exactly would the Japanese people react if the soldiers convicted in the 1995 rape in Okinawa made one of the following recent comments:

"No girl was forced to do this"
"Rape is hard to establish"
"It actually never happened (we were framed)"

According to you since they did previously apologize, they did pay reparations, and they served jail time, the Japanese people should just let it go and stop making these guys feel guilty. Cultural differences and all.

 

[Dari]

Decent people can and should judge actions by their own moral center. Mine and thankfully most of the civilized world believes large scale murder, rape, and torture is inherently wrong.

You are aware you're making our own point for us? No one in this thread wants Japan to make more reparations. What they simply want is an unconditional apology and then to leave it at that.

But you and Japanese leaders can't. Every year it has to be a new public comment like "no comfort women were forced", "aggression is hard to establish", "Nanking massacre never happened" and so on. These are the comments that irritate China and Korea.

A truly strong leader and people would be able to let an apology stand without weakening it over time.

Not to be too insensitive, but how exactly would the Japanese people react if the soldiers convicted in the 1995 rape in Okinawa made one of the following recent comments:

"No girl was forced to do this"
"Rape is hard to establish"
"It actually never happened (we were framed)"

According to you since they did previously apologize, they did pay reparations, and they served jail time, the Japanese people should just let it go and stop making these guys feel guilty. Cultural differences and all.

So, basically, you want more apologies, right? Got it. Or, everytime a politician denies an incident that happened 60-100 years ago, you want another apology, right? Also, you want to tell them how to behave in their own country, right?

Am I right?

 

[Zeze]

Stop wasting your time with a crazed bigot please.

 

[Dari]

Stop wasting your time with a crazed bigot please.

You've been reported for your constant trolling of this thread, asshole.

 

[CitizenKain]

So, basically, you want more apologies, right? Got it. Or, everytime a politician denies an incident that happened 60-100 years ago, you want another apology, right? Also, you want to tell them how to behave in their own country, right?

Am I right?

How about maybe they stop making shrines to war criminals and trying to pretend they didn't commit countless war crimes during WW2? Is that simply too much to ask? Instead of doubling down on lying to defend a military full of cowards and war criminals.

Stop wasting your time with a crazed bigot please.

Its fun to poke the weeaboo and see what stupid things he says next.

 

[werepossum]

I'm not sure why you're quoting "war criminals". Do you actually believe they weren't guilty? Do you believe by any standard of human decency that what many of them did was wrong, even evil? I'm all for moral relativism to an extent, but call me idealistic, I believe there are things that are absolutely wrong.

Are there any US convicted war criminals buried in Arlington? I imagine they'd be dishonorably discharged/court martialed and not permitted to be buried at Arlington. But good strawman there buddy.

<edit>I just realized that the argument by Dari mirrors the Japanese government and is what annoys the other asian countries so much. It's saying "we apologize, but really these guys didn't do anything really wrong, but we do apologize, even though we disagree on how 'murder', 'rape', and 'torture' should be defined, and well cultural differences and all." It's the rapist apologizing to the victim while also saying they disagree with the definition of rape and well, she was asking for it.

Well said.

Yes and you're ignoring what I'm saying. We're not teaching our children that this stuff didn't happen. Every high school history book, so far as I know, informs of our internment of the Japanese, for example. They all talk about slavery. They all talk about American imperialism. Etc.

If anything, we exaggerate the evil we've done. This is a good thing IMO as it helps prevent such things from recurring.

SNIP

A hero? Maybe to terrorists but he's hated by the average Muslim.

I dunno, after 9/11 the name "Osama" because one of the most popular names for Muslim boys. Doesn't sound like hate. You don't find a lot of Germans named Adolf after 1945.

 

[Dari]

How about maybe they stop making shrines to war criminals and trying to pretend they didn't commit countless war crimes during WW2? Is that simply too much to ask? Instead of doubling down on lying to defend a military full of cowards and war criminals.





Its fun to poke the weeaboo and see what stupid things he says next.

You can ask but, as is obvious to everyone, their answer is no. BTW, You can keep calling the IJA 'cowards' if that makes you feel better but, as with your rants here, it won't change anything. Maybe people will pay attention if you cut off your fingers or quarter a pig. Maybe...

 

[dawheat]

So, basically, you want more apologies, right? Got it. Or, everytime a politician denies an incident that happened 60-100 years ago, you want another apology, right? Also, you want to tell them how to behave in their own country, right?

Am I right?

What I'm trying to say is this could be a non-issue if Japan would stick to their apology and stop having their leaders (including the fricking Prime Minister) stop making comments that try to backtrack on it.

Say it and shut up once and forever. If then other Asian countries continue to moan and groan, I'll actually support your position.

 

[Dari]

What I'm trying to say is this could be a non-issue if Japan would stick to their apology and stop having their leaders (including the fricking Prime Minister) stop making comments that try to backtrack on it.

Say it and shut up once and forever. If then other Asian countries continue to moan and groan, I'll actually support your position.

Honestly, I don't think it'll ever be a non-issue. People will always find something to complain about. Too many vested interests in perpetuating victimhood. Look at African-Americans in this country. It's been over a 160 years since slavery and they're still talking about it and shit. No matter what the Japanese do China and Korea will never be happy. The Japanese don't seem to care anymore. If Koreans want to committ suicide or cut off their fingers or quarter a pig to protest Japanese occupation of their country, that's their problem. It's their loss. If the Chinese want to burn down their country to protest Japan, that's their problem too.

No matter what happened in the past, people will find a reason to complain. This shit'll never end.

 

[CWRMadcat]

Honestly, I don't think it'll ever be a non-issue. People will always find something to complain about. Too many vested interests in perpetuating victimhood. Look at African-Americans in this country. It's been over a 160 years since slavery and they're still talking about it and shit. No matter what the Japanese do China and Korea will never be happy. The Japanese don't seem to care anymore. If Koreans want to committ suicide or cut off their fingers or quarter a pig to protest Japanese occupation of their country, that's their problem. It's their loss. If the Chinese want to burn down their country to protest Japan, that's their problem too.

No matter what happened in the past, people will find a reason to complain. This shit'll never end.

African Americans still talk about the legacy of slavery because jim crow didn't end until 1965...you're not really helping your argument by using that as an example of perpetual victimhood.

Yes, some people will always find a reason to complain. That's true for just about anything. It doesn't mean the Japanese get a free pass. I'm sure if you looked hard enough there would be jews that aren't happy with Germany for whatever reason. The Germans still did the right thing.

 

[davmat787]

It is all about saving face, or perhaps more accurately in this case, not losing face.

 

[Dari]

African Americans still talk about the legacy of slavery because jim crow didn't end until 1965...you're not really helping your argument by using that as an example of perpetual victimhood.

Yes, some people will always find a reason to complain. That's true for just about anything. It doesn't mean the Japanese get a free pass. I'm sure if you looked hard enough there would be jews that aren't happy with Germany for whatever reason. The Germans still did the right thing.

Blacks and Arabs don't get a free pass in Spain today and neither do the Chinese in Vietnam for their 1000 year stranglehold on that country so I don't ever expect the Japanese to get a free pass. I just find it ridiculous that foreigners want to impose their morality on another country.

 

[werepossum]

Blacks and Arabs don't get a free pass in Spain today and neither do the Chinese in Vietnam for their 1000 year stranglehold on that country so I don't ever expect the Japanese to get a free pass. I just find it ridiculous that foreigners want to impose their morality on another country.

When one nation begins attacking and invading other nations and slaughtering their citizens, most people would think the attacker's right to not have other nations' morality imposed on them has been waived.

 

[Dari]

When one nation begins attacking and invading other nations and slaughtering their citizens, most people would think the attacker's right to not have other nations' morality imposed on them has been waived.

Why is that? And how would that go about happening? Through guilt? Please, that shit only works in Bible Study. Life and death are one and the same. Every single thing you've eaten has had to die for your consumption even, yes, the vegetables. You've probably killed hundreds or thousands of organisms today simply by moving about. In order to reproduce, you've probably defeated other suitors who may go childless or gained wealth at the expense of others who will go poor. In order for one person to win, someone or something else has to lose. An invading army does all these things on a much larger level. That's just the way of nature. Why do you find it necessary to impose your morals when it comes to human-to-human conflicts but not human-to-non-human? Where is the logic in that?

Today, we speak English not because of some liberal, tree-hugging Brit hundreds of years ago. But because of an invading army of killers who didn't think twice about getting rid of the natives here. Where are the Indians now? In some long forgotten grave or reservation, unemployed and drunk and completely powerless to do anything about it because a master culture did away with them.

That's the way of the world. Losers can find solace in books and mystics but it changes nothing.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Unit 731.

/thread

 

[Dari]

Unit 731.

/thread

Ironically, those in Unit 731 were exempted from war crimes tribunal and asked to work for the US Government after the war...