James O'Keefe agrees to pay ACORN worker he taped $100k

[Bowfinger]

There are tons of people out there for both sides trying to get people registered. The vast majority of the problems have been with Acorn.

I asked you first, Mr. Dishonesty, but you've made the answer clear. No, you cannot grasp math. Who else was even close to ACORN's scale? ACORN had 500,000 employees, with how many employees convicted? Five? Ten? Worst case, maybe 0.002%. How does that compare to Sproul (the question you're too cowardly to address)? What other organization has been the subject of such a witch hunt like ACORN? How can you in good conscience smear ACORN, where a few peons acted against their employer's directions for their own personal gain, while excusing Sproul where registration fraud was intentional and supported by management? What warped set of values leads you to fixate on ACORN, where fraudulent registrations would NOT affect elections (because Mickey Mouse doesn't vote) while having no interest in Sproul whose fraud would impact elections (when legitimate voters who tried to register as Democrats found their forms had never been turned in)?

These are all rhetorical questions, by the way, because the answer is clear. You are a slimy partisan shill who doesn't give a damn about America, or right and wrong, but cares only about what helps your party. You are a mindless hack, believing whatever the RNC tells you to believe, attacking whatever they tell you to attack, and proudly ignorant about everything they want you to ignore. Calling you a parrot is too kind since even a parrot has some free will. You could be replaced with a script that pulls talking points from an RNC feed on schedule.

You hate ACORN because you've been programmed to hate ACORN. You've swallowed the anti-ACORN propaganda without a moment of critical thought. You ignore that it was ACORN itself that exposed their employees' wrong-doing in most instances. You ignore that even a Republican prosecutor stated these were the unauthorized acts of individuals trying to cheat their employer. You ignore that the entire O'Keefe expose was a willful fraud. Indeed, you ignore everything except the simple-minded chant, "ACORN is evil!!!!!!" You are what's wrong with America today.

 

[Matt1970]

I asked you first, Mr. Dishonesty, but you've made the answer clear. No, you cannot grasp math. Who else was even close to ACORN's scale? ACORN had 500,000 employees, with how many employees convicted? Five? Ten? Worst case, maybe 0.002%. How does that compare to Sproul (the question you're too cowardly to address)? What other organization has been the subject of such a witch hunt like ACORN? How can you in good conscience smear ACORN, where a few peons acted against their employer's directions for their own personal gain, while excusing Sproul where registration fraud was intentional and supported by management? What warped set of values leads you to fixate on ACORN, where fraudulent registrations would NOT affect elections (because Mickey Mouse doesn't vote) while having no interest in Sproul whose fraud would impact elections (when legitimate voters who tried to register as Democrats found their forms had never been turned in)?

These are all rhetorical questions, by the way, because the answer is clear. You are a slimy partisan shill who doesn't give a damn about America, or right and wrong, but cares only about what helps your party. You are a mindless hack, believing whatever the RNC tells you to believe, attacking whatever they tell you to attack, and proudly ignorant about everything they want you to ignore. Calling you a parrot is too kind since even a parrot has some free will. You could be replaced with a script that pulls talking points from an RNC feed on schedule.

You hate ACORN because you've been programmed to hate ACORN. You've swallowed the anti-ACORN propaganda without a moment of critical thought. You ignore that it was ACORN itself that exposed their employees' wrong-doing in most instances. You ignore that even a Republican prosecutor stated these were the unauthorized acts of individuals trying to cheat their employer. You ignore that the entire O'Keefe expose was a willful fraud. Indeed, you ignore everything except the simple-minded chant, "ACORN is evil!!!!!!" You are what's wrong with America today.

Good lord son, give it a rest, you are going to hurt yourself putting all those words in my mouth.

 

[Incorruptible]

I asked you first, Mr. Dishonesty, but you've made the answer clear. No, you cannot grasp math. Who else was even close to ACORN's scale? ACORN had 500,000 employees, with how many employees convicted? Five? Ten? Worst case, maybe 0.002%. How does that compare to Sproul (the question you're too cowardly to address)? What other organization has been the subject of such a witch hunt like ACORN? How can you in good conscience smear ACORN, where a few peons acted against their employer's directions for their own personal gain, while excusing Sproul where registration fraud was intentional and supported by management? What warped set of values leads you to fixate on ACORN, where fraudulent registrations would NOT affect elections (because Mickey Mouse doesn't vote) while having no interest in Sproul whose fraud would impact elections (when legitimate voters who tried to register as Democrats found their forms had never been turned in)?

These are all rhetorical questions, by the way, because the answer is clear. You are a slimy partisan shill who doesn't give a damn about America, or right and wrong, but cares only about what helps your party. You are a mindless hack, believing whatever the RNC tells you to believe, attacking whatever they tell you to attack, and proudly ignorant about everything they want you to ignore. Calling you a parrot is too kind since even a parrot has some free will. You could be replaced with a script that pulls talking points from an RNC feed on schedule.

You hate ACORN because you've been programmed to hate ACORN. You've swallowed the anti-ACORN propaganda without a moment of critical thought. You ignore that it was ACORN itself that exposed their employees' wrong-doing in most instances. You ignore that even a Republican prosecutor stated these were the unauthorized acts of individuals trying to cheat their employer. You ignore that the entire O'Keefe expose was a willful fraud. Indeed, you ignore everything except the simple-minded chant, "ACORN is evil!!!!!!" You are what's wrong with America today.

acorn was no good and there views were just wrong. There is no need for acorn.

 

[Matt1970]

Bowfinger, look at all your insults throughout this thread just because I don't agree with your assesment. Just because I won't ignore the numbers you choose to ignore and focus on the numbers you choose to focus on.

 

[Bowfinger]

Bowfinger, look at all your insults throughout this thread just because I don't agree with your assesment. Just because I won't ignore the numbers you choose to ignore and focus on the numbers you choose to focus on.

No, Matt. It's not because you disagree. It's because you refuse to engage honestly and intelligently, because you cling to your ignorance and disinformation no matter how much contradictory information is offered, because you continue spreading lies long after they've been factually debunked. You cannot refute anything we have presented -- indeed, you mostly refuse to even try to address it -- but blindly parrot the same nonsense over and over. Most others have the self-awareness to slink away once they've been owned, but you double down again and again.

To a point, that's OK. This is America. We have no shortage of dunces and dupes. Indeed, America's political system only survives because of it, and I'm not just talking about the right's nutter bubble of denial and disinformation. The left has its own deluded followers as well. But, que sera, sera. There's no explicit Freedom of Ignorance in the Constitution, but it's certainly implied.

The problem is you regularly insist on pushing your partisan ignorance as fact. That may work with the other Fox-watching dunces in your school or work. It falls flat here, however, where you're spreading propaganda to people who are relatively well informed. When you spout BS, you will be called on it. When you stubbornly refuse to even acknowledge conflicting evidence handed to you, expect to be called on that as well. I understand you don't like being challenged, but constantly crying about it doesn't help. You could instead set your biases and programming aside, and actually educate yourself. Move outside the nutter bubble and use legitimate sources of information. Actually consider information provided here and use critical thinking instead of cognitive dissonance. Put America first, instead of the RNC. Prove to MB that's he's wrong about your conservative brain defect, instead of consistently illustrating his point.

Food for thought.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

All I have to say to you, Bowfinger, is this: Matthew 7:6.

 

[CitizenKain]

acorn was no good and there views were just wrong. There is no need for acorn.

An organization that helps the poor and minorities vote, of course rightwing puppets don't think that it should exist.

 

[zinfamous]

Agree. acorn shouldn't have existed and it was just another group with idiotic views.

...again, only because you don't agree with them.

Why do you actually hate this country?

You are the most pathetic tool in the box.

 

[Incorruptible]

...again, only because you don't agree with them.

Why do you actually hate this country?

You are the most pathetic tool in the box.

I dont hate this country I want it to be prosperous and we can do that by obeying the Constitution.

 

[Matt1970]

No, Matt. It's not because you disagree. It's because you refuse to engage honestly and intelligently, because you cling to your ignorance and disinformation no matter how much contradictory information is offered, because you continue spreading lies long after they've been factually debunked. You cannot refute anything we have presented -- indeed, you mostly refuse to even try to address it -- but blindly parrot the same nonsense over and over. Most others have the self-awareness to slink away once they've been owned, but you double down again and again.

To a point, that's OK. This is America. We have no shortage of dunces and dupes. Indeed, America's political system only survives because of it, and I'm not just talking about the right's nutter bubble of denial and disinformation. The left has its own deluded followers as well. But, que sera, sera. There's no explicit Freedom of Ignorance in the Constitution, but it's certainly implied.

The problem is you regularly insist on pushing your partisan ignorance as fact. That may work with the other Fox-watching dunces in your school or work. It falls flat here, however, where you're spreading propaganda to people who are relatively well informed. When you spout BS, you will be called on it. When you stubbornly refuse to even acknowledge conflicting evidence handed to you, expect to be called on that as well. I understand you don't like being challenged, but constantly crying about it doesn't help. You could instead set your biases and programming aside, and actually educate yourself. Move outside the nutter bubble and use legitimate sources of information. Actually consider information provided here and use critical thinking instead of cognitive dissonance. Put America first, instead of the RNC. Prove to MB that's he's wrong about your conservative brain defect, instead of consistently illustrating his point.

Food for thought.

You do the exact same thing only you are infuriated to the point of insult if people don't see it your way. Yes a higher percentage of Sproul committed wrong doing, but it is a low percentage compared to total registrations obtained this way and the overall numbers are a lot less than what Acorn submitted. In your mind unless I explicitly focus on the percentage of Sproul employees wrong doings and nothing else, I am an idiot, moron, Fox-watching dunce, racist, bigot, and on and on even though I never once defended what Sproul did.

 

[CitizenKain]

I dont hate this country I want it to be prosperous and we can do that by obeying the Constitution.

But you do hate this country, you've said it repeatedly. You don't want people voting because they are poor or minorities.

 

[Incorruptible]

But you do hate this country, you've said it repeatedly. You don't want people voting because they are poor or minorities.

Typical leftwing hack. You are pathetic. When did I ever say poor or minorities shouldn't vote?

 

[TeeJay1952]

Agree. acorn shouldn't have existed and it was just another group with idiotic views.

I guess you will be against ACORN until one of your family members joins it. (a defunct organization)

 

[Bowfinger]

You do the exact same thing only you are infuriated to the point of insult if people don't see it your way. Yes a higher percentage of Sproul committed wrong doing, but it is a low percentage compared to total registrations obtained this way and the overall numbers are a lot less than what Acorn submitted. In your mind unless I explicitly focus on the percentage of Sproul employees wrong doings and nothing else, I am an idiot, moron, Fox-watching dunce, racist, bigot, and on and on even though I never once defended what Sproul did.

No. I know you need to believe that to salve your ego, but we are not alike. I look at evidence, you swallow whatever is fed to you. I argue with facts and reason, you argue with faith and propaganda. I refute your claims directly, you dodge our points and divert discussion when challenged.

Your half-hearted admission that Sproul did wrong too totally ignores the point. You still cling to your belief that ACORN was evil, ignoring all of the evidence showing your allegations and dearly-held beliefs about them are baseless. Meanwhile, Sproul actually did what you falsely accuse ACORN of -- intentionally committing voter registration fraud at management direction with the intent of affecting elections -- but you have yet to condemn them at all, let alone with the same fervor you misdirect towards ACORN. The best you can do is a lame, "I never once defended what Sproul did." It reeks of blind, partisan hypocrisy.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

That's not defending him, that’s called putting things into perspective. Saying someone committing bank robbery is not on the same level as committing murder is not defending bank robbery. Pull your head out of your ass and you will see that.

Of course, two companies with employees each committing voter registration fraud. But of course, those two companies are totally different....do you even read what you write? LOL

Just keep digging that hole deeper and deeper. You still defend Sproul and his company while claiming you don't. You defended him in my old thread, and you defend him and his company now.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Now I am a racist? Fuck you.

Those supporting voter ID and other restrictive laws are heavily biased against allowing minorities to vote. Fact.

Hell, GOP members have come out and publicly admitted that they have introduced those laws specifically from preventing (maninly minorities) democrats from voting.

Don't like it? Don't support it. Just like the birthers that say they aren't birthers, but just go "well, I'm just asking if he was really born in Kenya, but I'm not really a birther".

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

You do the exact same thing only you are infuriated to the point of insult if people don't see it your way. Yes a higher percentage of Sproul committed wrong doing, but it is a low percentage compared to total registrations obtained this way and the overall numbers are a lot less than what Acorn submitted. In your mind unless I explicitly focus on the percentage of Sproul employees wrong doings and nothing else, I am an idiot, moron, Fox-watching dunce, racist, bigot, and on and on even though I never once defended what Sproul did.

Well, at least you finally admitted the bolded part. Admitting you have a problem is the first step for a cure.

 

[Incorruptible]

Those supporting voter ID and other restrictive laws are heavily biased against allowing minorities to vote. Fact.

Hell, GOP members have come out and publicly admitted that they have introduced those laws specifically from preventing (maninly minorities) democrats from voting.

Don't like it? Don't support it. Just like the birthers that say they aren't birthers, but just go "well, I'm just asking if he was really born in Kenya, but I'm not really a birther".

Asking people to show ID is considered racist? The mind of the left wingers

There is nothing racist from stopping illegal immigrants from voting.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Asking people to show ID is considered racist? The mind of the left wingers

There is nothing racist from stopping illegal immigrants from voting.

I didn't say illegal immigrants, troll. If you bothered to read anything other then wingnut daily, you would realize that.

The GOP has admitted publicly several times their voter ID laws is to prevent Dem's from voting, and has nothing to do with stopping fraud. In the Penn lawsuit, they had to legally admit in court that their proposed law would do NOTHING to stop voter fraud.

Other GOP members have publicly admitted that these laws are all to reduce democrat turnout to help GOP candidates win.

But you and Matt1970 blindly read out of the Faux news script, without even knowing what you are talking about. Faux news said ACORN was evil, so you two blindly parrot it. Good job.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Those supporting voter ID and other restrictive laws are heavily biased against allowing minorities to vote. Fact.

I thought that voter ID affected all poor people those who were not born in a hospital (both inner city and rural). So how many more years will this be a problem? Maybe another decade? After that it seems that as long as the states provide an ID to those who can prove that they can't afford one this would be a thing of the past and a mute point.

 

[kage69]

I fully expect your concise rundown to be ignored later in the thread, and refutted talking points to be regurgitated. Can't wait to read on!

lol



Off to get beer and lotto tickets, you guys need anything? How we doing on popcorn?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

lol



Off to get beer and lotto tickets, you guys need anything? How we doing on popcorn?

Yeah, once again, they bail out of the thread when proved wrong and presented with facts. Typical MO for them.

Lie until proven wrong with facts, then bail without ever admitting you are wrong. Then go off and repeat process in another thread.