James O'Keefe agrees to pay ACORN worker he taped $100k

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickung...employee-he-smeared-conservative-media-yawns/

Remember James O’Keefe?

That would be the same James O’Keefe who brought down community organizing and voter registration organization ACORN in his march to becoming a conservative icon for his alleged ‘good works’.

The master of the cleverly edited—if highly deceptive—video production is now being required to pay the sum of $100,000 to Juan Carlos Vera, a California employee of ACORN whom O’Keefe portrayed as being a willing participant when O’Keefe and his accomplice, Hanna Giles, proposed smuggling young women into the United States to work as prostitutes.

While Mr. Vera had no idea he was being surreptitiously video taped—which is not surprising given that California law expressly bars the secret recording of one’s voice or image—there was also something Mr. O’Keefe did not know until after he released the damaging video of his conversation with Vera for broadcast.

As soon as O’Keefe and his partner-in-crime left the ACORN location, Mr. Vera called the police to report the entire incident. It turns out that Vera had been playing along with O’Keefe in an effort to ensnare O’Keefe and Giles whom Vera believed were in the act of breaking the law by proposing to engage in the importing of young women to become prostitutes.

Oops.

first 1/2 of the article quoted.

In my opinion he should have to pay the guy more. It's been a few years and it's highly probable that the unwarranted firing hurt his search for employment afterwards.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

So where are our resident right wing shills? All those that so roundly condemned ACORN?

I guess they are afraid to admit that they were wrong (again).

So is pblabber still here? Blabber troll

Spidely troll thread

So where are the "I was wrong" admissions? Guess they are off on fantasy land still, and don't believe this, even after O'Keefe admitted it.

 

[UberNeuman]

So where are our resident right wing shills? All those that so roundly condemned ACORN?

I guess they are afraid to admit that they were wrong (again).

\and so you've dropped the ticking time-bomb....
\\*jaunting off to pop some corn...* :biggrin:

 

[UberNeuman]

Everything old is new again - enjoy the post that broke the story of ACORN on AT P&N....

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

And Republicans are still defunding ACORN.
http://www.salon.com/2013/03/05/house_gop_tries_to_defund_non_existent_acorn/

 

[Matt1970]

So where are our resident right wing shills? All those that so roundly condemned ACORN?

I guess they are afraid to admit that they were wrong (again).

So is pblabber still here? Blabber troll

Spidely troll thread

So where are the "I was wrong" admissions? Guess they are off on fantasy land still, and don't believe this, even after O'Keefe admitted it.

So Acorn didn’t commit the acts in the video?

 

[her209]

So Acorn didn’t commit the acts in the video?

So O'Keefe and Giles were trying to smuggle young women into the country to be prostitutes since its on video?

 

[Matt1970]

So O'Keefe and Giles were trying to smuggle young women into the country to be prostitutes since its on video?

Nice try. How about all the other videos and investigations into ACORN that were legal? Or do you want to ignore all those ACORN employees that got convicted?

 

[her209]

Nice try. How about all the other videos and investigations into ACORN that were legal? Or do you want to ignore all those ACORN employees that got convicted?

What do the other ACORN employees have to do with this case? Oh, that's right, just throw out strawmen when your argument falls flat.

 

[Thump553]

$10,000 forintentionally and falsely besmirching someone's reputation is not even a slap on the wrist. The only real positive out of this story is that Forbes is reporting it-kudos to them for not walking in lockstep with the other rightwing media outlets.

 

[Matt1970]

What do the other ACORN employees have to do with this case? Oh, that's right, just throw out strawmen when your argument falls flat.

Here's your strawman.

So where are the "I was wrong" admissions? Guess they are off on fantasy land still, and don't believe this, even after O'Keefe admitted it.

Nobody was wrong about ACORN just because one of many, many videos were illegally obtained.

 

[Incorruptible]

Posting in a left wing circle jerk thread. acorn was doing bad things and its good it was shut down

 

[Bowfinger]

Here's your strawman.



Nobody was wrong about ACORN just because one of many, many videos were illegally obtained.

Links? You're welcome to prove me wrong*, but ACORN appears to be yet another example of you being hilariously ignorant about pretty much everything. ACORN was certainly a flawed organization, but the O'Keefe expose was a fraud. The handful of voter registration fraud prosecutions against ACORN peons came because ACORN itself flagged their phony registration cards. Nonetheless, the RNC and its loyal bots like you went after it with the propaganda machine full throttle because ACORN did something truly heinous to you: it was quite successful in extending American democracy by registering poor and minorities. That's a capital offense to the RNC and its stooges.

(*Lulz! As if you ever respond to challenges directly or with substance.)

 

[Matt1970]

Links? You're welcome to prove me wrong*, but ACORN appears to be yet another example of you being hilariously ignorant about pretty much everything. ACORN was certainly a flawed organization, but the O'Keefe expose was a fraud. The handful of voter registration fraud prosecutions against ACORN peons came because ACORN itself flagged their phony registration cards. Nonetheless, the RNC and its loyal bots like you went after it with the propaganda machine full throttle because ACORN did something truly heinous to you: it was quite successful in extending American democracy by registering poor and minorities. That's a capital offense to the RNC and its stooges.

(*Lulz! As if you ever respond to challenges directly or with substance.)

I am ignorant about Acorn? Good one. Links to thier convictions? Here, I will help you.

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclie...94,d.dmQ&fp=629e2757778c05f0&biw=1600&bih=783

Those would have to be some pretty big hands to hold all those convictions. And thank god for ACORN becuase without them those poor and minorities had no clue how to fill out a single form that was only available at those hard to find post offices, DMVs, libraries, elections offices, etc, etc.......

 

[Bowfinger]

I am ignorant about Acorn? Good one. Links to thier convictions? Here, I will help you.

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclie...94,d.dmQ&fp=629e2757778c05f0&biw=1600&bih=783

Those would have to be some pretty big hands to hold all those convictions.

You're so cute. You thinking typing a query into Google magically makes you less ignorant.

Try actually reading some of those links, Sparky, particularly the ones not written by the RNC propaganda machine. You'll find, yet again, that what I said was accurate and what you believe is your usual partisan denial. Here is one brief clip from FactCheck that sums it up, though you should really try reading the whole thing:

"But so far ACORN itself has not been officially charged with any fraud. Aside from the heated charges and counter-charges, no evidence has yet surfaced to show that the ACORN employees who submitted fraudulent registration forms intended to pave the way for illegal voting. Rather, they were trying to get paid by ACORN for doing no work. Dan Satterberg, the Republican prosecuting attorney in King County, Wash., where the largest ACORN case to date was prosecuted, said that the indicted ACORN employees were shirking responsibility, not plotting election fraud."
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And yes, it's only a handful of peons that were convicted. Lots of noise and innuendo, but little substance.

And thank god for ACORN becuase without them those poor and minorities had no clue how to fill out a single form that was only available at those hard to find post offices, DMVs, libraries, elections offices, etc, etc.......

More of your signature dishonest hand-waving. Regardless of your feelings about how easy it is to register, the FACT is that many people who are eligible to vote are not registered. Those people disproportionately fall into demographics the RNC despises, the poor and minorities. ACORN was reaching out to that demographic, and was therefore equally despised.

 

[Matt1970]

AR 1998 - A contractor with ACORN-affiliated Project Vote was arrested for falsifying about 400 voter registration cards.

CO 2005 - Two ex-ACORN employees were convicted in Denver of perjury for submitting false voter registrations.

2004 - An ACORN employee admitted to forging signatures and registering three of her friends to vote 40 times.

CT 2008 - The New York Post reported that ACORN submitted a voter registration card for a 7-year-old Bridgeport girl. Another 8,000 cards from the same city will be scrutinized for possible fraud.

FL 2009 - In September, 11 ACORN workers were accused of forging voter registration applications in Miami-Dade County during the last election. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the state attorney’s office scoured hundreds of suspicious applications provided by ACORN and found 197 of 260 contained personal ID information that did not match any living person

2008 - Election officials in Brevard County have given prosecutors more than 23 suspect registrations from ACORN. The state's Division of Elections is also investigating complaints in Orange and Broward Counties.

2004 - A Florida Department of Law Enforcement spokesman said ACORN was “singled out” among suspected voter registration groups for a 2004 wage initiative because it was “the common thread” in the agency’s fraud investigations.

2008 - Clerks in Detroit found a "sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent [voter] applications" from the Michigan branch of ACORN. Those applications have been turned over to the U.S. Attorney's office for investigation.

2004 - The Detroit Free Press reported that “overzealous or unscrupulous campaign workers in several Michigan counties are under investigation for voter-registration fraud, suspected of attempting to register nonexistent people or forging applications for already-registered voters.” ACORN-affiliate Project Vote was one of two groups suspected of turning in the documents.


MO 2008 - Nearly 400 ACORN-submitted registrations in Kansas City have been rejected due to duplication or fake information.

2007 - Four ACORN employees were indicted in Kansas City for charges including identity theft and filing false registrations during the 2006 election.

2006 - Eight ACORN employees in St. Louis were indicted on federal election fraud charges. Each of the eight faces up to five years in prison for forging signatures and submitting false information.

2003 - Of 5,379 voter registration cards ACORN submitted in St. Louis, only 2,013 of those appeared to be valid. At least 1,000 are believed to be attempts to register voters illegally.

Oh, there are even more but clearly it's only a handful.

http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

 

[kage69]

You're so cute. You thinking typing a query into Google magically makes you less ignorant.

Try actually reading some of those links, Sparky, particularly the ones not written by the RNC propaganda machine. You'll find, yet again, that what I said was accurate and what you believe is your usual partisan denial. Here is one brief clip from FactCheck that sums it up, though you should really try reading the whole thing:

"But so far ACORN itself has not been officially charged with any fraud. Aside from the heated charges and counter-charges, no evidence has yet surfaced to show that the ACORN employees who submitted fraudulent registration forms intended to pave the way for illegal voting. Rather, they were trying to get paid by ACORN for doing no work. Dan Satterberg, the Republican prosecuting attorney in King County, Wash., where the largest ACORN case to date was prosecuted, said that the indicted ACORN employees were shirking responsibility, not plotting election fraud."
​

And yes, it's only a handful of peons that were convicted. Lots of noise and innuendo, but little substance.


More of your signature dishonest hand-waving. Regardless of your feelings about how easy it is to register, the FACT is that many people who are eligible to vote are not registered. Those people disproportionately fall into demographics the RNC despises, the poor and minorities. ACORN was reaching out to that demographic, and was therefore equally despised.

Hey not true. He uses the Anandtech search for queries as well!

I'm glad to see deceit get it's due, and think the sum probably should have been more. Breitbart's not around to appreciate this, but I suspect this silly kid will have some donations to help solve this bill anyways.


I fully expect your concise rundown to be ignored later in the thread, and refutted talking points to be regurgitated. Can't wait to read on!

 

[Bowfinger]

Oh, there are even more but clearly it's only a handful.

http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

You're doing it again Matt. First, you're citing one of partisan propaganda sources rather than a legitimate source. Their accuracy is suspect. Second, you're reinforcing exactly what I said, that there's lots of noise and innuendo, but little substance. Your claim was, "all those ACORN employees that got convicted", yet your list is not just convictions, but allegations and anecdotes. Third, given that ACORN had 500,000 employees at its peak, your pitiful little list is just a handful, even if they were all convictions ... but they aren't.

You need to face facts. Your nutter bubble sources have lied to you over and over again, actively duping you into believing things that are not true, counting on you to lack the intellect and the critical thinking skills to see through their BS. In short, you've been played as a good little bot, obediently spreading their propaganda without a clue.

 

[Matt1970]

In all of this you will never hear me say what James O’Keefe did was ok. He used Illegal video taping. Shame on him. But ACORN is hardly an innocent victim in this.

 

[Matt1970]

You're doing it again Matt. First, you're citing one of partisan propaganda sources rather than a legitimate source. Their accuracy is suspect. Second, you're reinforcing exactly what I said, that there's lots of noise and innuendo, but little substance. Your claim was, "all those ACORN employees that got convicted", yet your list is not just convictions, but allegations and anecdotes. Third, given that ACORN had 500,000 employees at its peak, your pitiful little list is just a handful, even if they were all convictions ... but they aren't.

You need to face facts. Your nutter bubble sources have lied to you over and over again, actively duping you into believing things that are not true, counting on you to lack the intellect and the critical thinking skills to see through their BS. In short, you've been played as a good little bot, obediently spreading their propaganda without a clue.

And you are trying to vindicate a clearly corrupt organization because of the illegal video taping from one person.

 

[Bowfinger]

And you are trying to vindicate a clearly corrupt organization because of the illegal video taping from one person.

Whatever, kid. They're "clearly corrupt" only because your masters have duped you into believing so. You're a good little drone for them, not too bright, not too inquisitive, and eager to guzzle whatever propaganda they spew. You should embrace all the mockery you receive, because you've earned it.

 

[Bowfinger]

In all of this you will never hear me say what James O’Keefe did was ok. He used Illegal video taping. Shame on him. But ACORN is hardly an innocent victim in this.

O'Keefe was only one small piece of a full-scale smear campaign against ACORN.

 

[Matt1970]

O'Keefe was only one small piece of a full-scale smear campaign against ACORN.

You are right. ACORN did no wrong. How foolish of me.

 

[Bowfinger]

You are right. ACORN did no wrong. How foolish of me.

You're still doing it. You seem incapable of honest and intelligent discussion. In my very first post in this thread, I noted, "ACORN was certainly a flawed organization ..." That does not justify the lies you spread, however.

 

[Matt1970]

You're still doing it. You seem incapable of honest and intelligent discussion. In my very first post in this thread, I noted, "ACORN was certainly a flawed organization ..." That does not justify the lies you spread, however.

And you are incapable of criticizing anyone but the right even after this:

So where are the "I was wrong" admissions? Guess they are off on fantasy land still, and don't believe this, even after O'Keefe admitted it.

You wanted links, I gave them to you but you automatically discredit anything that doesn't come from the left and accuse me of lies. What's in those video's is unchanged.

Hack away boy.