It's over, President-Elect Bush has won.

[ToBeMe]

Time to Lighten Up A Little! Al & Joe may be down......but their not out! They already have Other Offers!

 

[PCAddict]

Tee_Edwards :

While that is an interesting story, I fail to see where it says anything about Republicans throwing away Democratic ballot applications. That was the point of my response.

 

[Michael]

classy - please go find and post the 15th amendment here. Take a look at how short it is. Notice that is does not specify blacks.

Now why should there be a lengthy law specifically protecting blacks (which the Voter Rights Law does not do anyway) written into the Constitution when the right is already there?

I support your quest for equal protection and equal rights under the law. Equal.

Michael

 

[Valhalla1]

Russ - thanks for that certification link, thats pretty cool.

 

[Futuramatic]

Bah, I wish you could smell what you shovel no-classy-

-I want soldiers on the southern border of the US to keep illegals out. Why should I have to lose a job or pay more welfare because of illegals?
-I want prayer un-banned from schools (this is different from requiring it).
-I want welfare people to take drug tests. Drugs should mean no check. If they can buy drugs, they do not need the check.
-I want people to work for their money. Who doesn't?
-I want Affirmative Action killed. It IS reverse discrimination. I just lost an opportunity at a job because of freaking quotas.

Does that make me a member of the KKK? No, so Piss on you no-classy.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Futuramatic:

Are you really in competition with Mexican illegal aliens for work? Are you willing to pick grapes for 12 hours a day in exchange for a few dollars, or clean houses every day for $10K/year? Do you really think all illegal aliens come from Mexico? Do you think that establishing a quasi-martial state in the southern United States would be a reasonable way of dealing with the issue of illegal immigration (assuming it would even be legal under existing posse comitatus laws, which largely prohibit the military from assisting in civilian law enforcement)?

The issue of prayer in schools has been heard ad nauseum by the courts, and consistently it has been held to violate the Establishment Clause of the Constitution.

Do you understand that it would almost certainly violate the Fourth Amendment to require drug tests for welfare recipients? Unless there is probable cause to believe they have committed a crime (or they have had their personal freedoms restricted because they are, for example, on parole), Americans have the right to be free from such unreasonable searches and seizures. No doubt this is the reason that even the most ardent Congressional Republicans have not pushed this. To put it in terms with more personal immediacy for you, would you like it if people had to undergo urinalysis to buy a firearm, or register a car?

I am no classy, but it seems to me your reactionary views really open you up to the kinds of criticism he has fielded. I am relatively conservative on many issues, but you are not doing a good job persuading me of the wisdom of your positions.

 

[Zucchini]

Yup, beleive it or not we are dependent on some illegal immigration. I personally love cheap mexican picked strawberries, and theres no way whitey is going to pick these things at a "reasonable" wage so it all works out

Heh, only way around this is either really smart robot workers, or genetically altering food enough that it can be easily processed on the field by machine.

 

[kingink]

What I am wondering is what this election fiasco was obfuscating?
There's gotta be some more newsworthy that doesn't make the whole nation look like idiots that are diametrically opposed.
kingink

 

[classy]

Michael your right to vote is protected by the original constitution which is was written in 1787. As I stated before blacks right to vote was an amendment. Slavery was abolished in 1865 and the 15th amendment giing blacks the right to vote was established in 1870. Almost 100 yeras later. But the problem is that even though we had the right to vote states took it upon themselves to deny us the right to vote through various methods. Some states used a poll tax, others a grandfather clause, and others violence that even included lynching. So to protect the right to vote for blacks the Voter Rights Act was passed. Now the question is why does this thing have to be continued? If our rights are protected by the constitution there should be no need for our rights to be protected from states denying us the right to vote. But unfortunately we have had the right since 1870, but we needed another bill to guarantee us that our right to vote is protected.

Future I don't know what your talking about. I didn't say that you were a racist or KKK person. In one of the posts I made the statement that KKK members are mostly Republicans because they share the same conservative views although their views are full of hatred. That is why I posted what they believe, nothing more than that. But as far as you not getting a job because of "quotas", could it be that the other guy was more qualified? I mean you do believe it is possible that a minority is smarter than you, don't you? I get so sick and tired of hearing people like you blame "quotas" on why you didn't get a job. If that is true now you know how a black person feels. But blacks have been dealing with it for more than 400 years. So your temporary set back won't be forever.

 

[Zucchini]

"Michael your right to vote is protected by the original constitution which is was written in 1787. As I stated before blacks right to vote was an amendment. Slavery was abolished in 1865 and the 15th amendment giing blacks the right to vote was established in 1870. Almost 100 yeras later. But the problem is that even though we had the right to vote states took it upon themselves to deny us the right to vote through various methods. Some states used a poll tax, others a grandfather clause, and others violence that even included lynching. So to protect the right to vote for blacks the Voter Rights Act was passed. Now the question is why does this thing have to be continued? If our rights are protected by the constitution there should be no need for our rights to be protected from states denying us the right to vote. But unfortunately we have had the right since 1870, but we needed another bill to guarantee us that our right to vote is protected.
"

Exactly why i cringe everytime bush repeats his favorite phrase about trusting the people when addressing anything controversial

 

[Michael]

classy - I have no right to vote. I am not yet a US citizen (will be for the next set of elections). I'm not 100% sure I would have been able to vote under the original Constitution, it was a fairly limited class of citizens allowed to vote. Note that women were allowed to vote 50 years after the race restrictions were removed from the Constitution.

I agree that the Voters' Rights Act was put into place for the large part to ensure that the right given to blacks could be freely exercised. Since then, there has been huge improvement in the ability of blacks to vote. It is a Federal intrusion into State affairs, but one that is soundly based on the Constitution. It is a just law and I hope that we will improve to the point that it does not have to be renewed again because it will not be neccesary.

If I'm correct, the part that needs to be renewed in the part where states have to run election law changes through the Federal government to ensure they're not being enacted only to deny citizens the ability to vote.

I would prefer not to take the discussion all the way back to slavery. The country I grew up in, Canada, did not have slavery (as best as I have ever been able to find out). Slavery is without and question a great evil that was visited upon blacks. It also was repealed over 100 years before I was born. I can't do anything about what happened then. I can fight racism as it exists today.

I have a suggestion. Why don't you go and register Republican and attend some of their meetings. If you strongly feel that the Republicans have to do more, then don't you think they need you representing your views? Only as a party member will you be able to make a real difference in the party. If you are black (no way of really telling), you probably will get a very warm welecome as the Republicans I talk to see the 93% of the black vote going Democrat and they do want to reduce that as much as possible.

Michael

 

[cxim]

Michael, everywhere had slavery several hundred years ago. In general slaves were prisoners of war. This included captured Indians, who freely practiced slavery too, BTW.

That is was not codified in law does not mean it did not exist. It was practiced through out the world. Guess what happened to the Indians that dear ole Columbus took back to Spain from the Carribean ???? They were slaves...

 

[Futuramatic]

Damn, all those lawyer terms... aren't you smart Tee

I go to the supermarket and se this hispanic/mexican/whatever in front of me using food stamps. The SOB can't even speak english. Perhaps we can't put guards on the borders, but what do you suggest? And no, I don't compete for their jobs, your right. I do however have to pay their welfare.

Drug tests for welfare checks... Granted, that is probably over the top, but this same mexican bought a loaf of bread, and got the change back in cash. He then bought cigarettes. Now, if they can do that, what stops them from buying other drugs? Now I am supporting a person's drug addiction. You make it sound like welfare is a normally accepted part of life... that attitude in itself is HALF of the problem.

Prayer in schools... Simple solution: allow for school vouchers so that parents who want their children to have a religious education have that option.

classy - Blow me you freak. The BLACK guy that got that job didnt have near the experience (read as NONE) and wasn't nearly as intelligent (my 3.9 against his 3.2). I have a higher degree than him (Master's vs. Bachelor's). I know him, so I know. I wish him the best, but he only got that job cause he was black. So your proud of social promotion? Have you earned anything in your life? Wouldn't you rather earn something than have it given to you cause of your race?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Futuramatic:

Are you sure you are not a racist? You really come off like one, with your ranting and raving about "BLACK" and "hispanic/mexican/whatever" [sic] . . .

Your suggestions about taking up arms to block out the dreaded "mexicans" [sic] are mighty strange. Last time I checked, illegal aliens were unable to collect welfare; perhaps you know differently. I would think that you would love illegal aliens, as they are one class of indigents that has to work for a living. I am no fan of welfare per se, but I guarantee you many more of your tax dollars are being wasted on other pork-barrel programs and ancillary government wastage than on welfare.

Your point about school vouchers is quite different from what you stated in the first place, when you said that you wanted prayer "un-banned [sic] from schools."

For a person who boasts about his intelligence and claims to have an M.A., your grammar and spelling are very poor (there is, for example, a difference between "your" and "you're," and Hispanic and Mexican are proper names and hence capitalized). Perhaps that explains the edge held by the "BLACK guy" who beat you out for the job.

 

[SJ]

Man where do these democrats find their witnesses. I mean if you are going to court get some witnesses that can not be torn down so easily and atleast appear credible. Sheesh.

 

[ArkAoss]

hmm he has won?