It's over, President-Elect Bush has won.

[Futuramatic]

Russ-

It looks to me like both sets were nominated. Is this common practice, or is it just in case this thing goes to the 23rd hour? It looks to me more like an informational filing rather than a declarative statement. Let's hope its the latter...

 

[Napalm381]

<< Nader For 2004!!! >>

Get a clue, left wing boy. Ralph Nader will never be the president of the United States, no matter how much the tree-huggers campaign for him. Got it?

 

[DaBoneHead]

Michael,


Why is classy beneath your contempt? Because he is black?



Blacks in this country have gone through far too much crap to trust a government run by a bunch of rich white good-ol-boys. The problem is perception. Sure, if you only look at the last 10 or 15 years, everything regarding race relations seems decent enough (unless you live in L.A.), but look back through to the 60's and see the struggle the Black community has undergone, and try to appreciate it.


Today, I think race relationships are at an all time best, however, we still have racial profiling, cops shooting blacks 41 times and walking away with it, and just general racist acts, that though not adding up to a conspiracy, do undermine the belief of equality in the US. And the Black community is very sensitive to it.

Historically, though with some exception, the Democratic party has been more sympathetic towards minorities and towards equality, while the Repulicans have taken a &quot;just you deal with the status-quo&quot; attitude.

Though Classy is a bit &quot;in-your-face&quot; with his point of view, he does have merit. Try to put yourself in the shoes of a minority... if you dare.

BTW: I don't think Lincoln would condone the activities of the modern day Republicans. The Republican part of 1860 and the Republican party of 2000 are quite different. For instance, the Republican party of 1860 was considered Liberal.

 

[sweetrobin]

Gore is just a sore loser ... I'm so tired of him ...

 

[Dameon]

DaBoneHead,

Watch the ground you are treading on.

<< Why is classy beneath your contempt? Because he is black? >>



The reason several of us are getting to the point of outright ignoring Classy and saying he is not worth giving consideration is because of his repeated hurls of inflammatory generalizations about Republicans being a bunch of klansmen.

<< Are the KKK and the majority of the south Democrat or Republicans? Republicans >>

Actually most have been Democrats, ever hear the term DixieCrats?

Almost all of his statements have no evidence to back them up...


<< They want guns and minorities in check, that is the way it is >>



I have never seen anything in the Republican platform about keeping blacks in check. I do however see much in the Democratic platform about this. Democrats push expanding the number of people dependant upon the government, be it welfare or otherwise. They do not push for self reliance and upward mobility, but instead push a cycle of dependancy.

Most of all, Classy refuses to accept that his great democratic party less than 40 years ago didn't want him to vote, and has the gall in the light of this to call Republicans racist.

 

[DaBoneHead]

Sweetrobin,


Gore did win the popular vote. And though some die hard republican party lapdogs claim that it is within the margin of error... I don't think so.


Gore is doing everything he can to gain the electoral vote too. If it were you, and you knew that more people in the US voted for you than the other guy, wouldn't you fight like hell too? I mean, he isn't trying to be head of the local PTA group, he is fighting to be president of the US, arguably the most powerful nation on earth.

The stakes are high. We shouldn't be surprised it came down to a cat-fight.

 

[Futuramatic]

DaBoneHead (at least you admit your short-comings )

There are potentially millions of uncounted absentee ballots that were not counted because they would have not had an impact on the STATE totals (at least from what I have heard). If this is true, there is MORE than enuf votes for Bush to overtake the popular vote.

I don't need to remind you that the popular vote is merely another statistic in the record books, do I? We all know that it means nothing to the process of selecting a president, right?

It IS the President of the United States. For this reason, I would expect a much HIGHER standard of conduct from the cadidates (plural) and their legal counsels, not to mention the other flaming arse-holes working on behalf of both parties.

I do not want to put words in your mouth, but it sounds to me like you are saying, &quot;He won the popular vote, so any tactic necessary to get the Presidency should be used, regardless of what the Constitution says.&quot; Again, I don't know if that is what you meant, but that is what it sounds like.

 

[classy]

Hmmm now I am a racist, huh. Well a got a surprise for you. My wife is white, I enjoy rock music, and am a huge hockey fan. Farrakhan as matter of fact is even worse than a KKK person. Just because a person calls a spade a spade doesn't make them a racist. If I was a racist my beautiful wife and now duaghter would not be apart of my life. My closest friend is a white guy. But with all that being said doesn't change what is happening in America. A lot of people wonder why I have said what I have, well here it is. Racial profiling has become a problem in a lot of states. Here in NJ the republican Governor Whitman one day even had the nerve to say that only black fathers refuse to take care of their children. racial profiling is so bad here the goverment had to come in do an investigation. Depsite the many complaints to Whitman. Bush in the state of Texas has the same problem. Racial profiling has gotten as bad there as here. A republican. I criticized Bush for not taking a more firm stand when that man was dragged to death. He could have said something. But nothing. Instead refused to sign a bill that would have stiffen penalties even for lower percieved racial hatred. The majority of South is Republican can we all agree on that. There are a lot of places in Miss. Ala. Louisana and Georgia you better not get caught in being black. There still is a serious lack of equality in the job market. It is not equal, even with affirmative action. So the republicans stand is we'll do away with it entirely now, at least the Democrats want to wait and try to refine it so we will have equality in the job market first. Lets look at Texas again. Bush has one of the lowest drop rates in America for HS teens. But he has one of the highest percentage of Black drop outs. Why? This is neither democrat or republican, but black schools do not get the funding that white schools do. Why? In this years election, Bush lost key states because of black voters. Pennsylvania quickly comes to mind. In Phil. they had rallys to get blacks to vote and in essence he lost the state. Anybody remember the incident in Missouri where the Dems wanted to keep the polls open for people to vote. But when Bush and his team saw what happened in PA. they quickly wanted the polls close. Let me deal with Bush on another issue. People keep saying that he can bring our country together. I hope so, but I doubt it for the following reasons. One despite whether you like it or not more people voted for Gore. But can we agree that the minority population is growing at a rate that soon the minority population together will be larger than the white population. With that being said, how can Bush who lost 92% of the black, 80% of the Jewish, 65% of the hispanic and 55% of the asian vote posssibly bring this country together. Last time I checked that group right there represents a very large percentage of the population. I have followed the election very closely. On one of the talk shows they had a black talk show host and a white talk show host. Black guy Democrat and white guy Republican. The republican guy made this comment. The democrats did a good job of getting the blacks out to vote, but forgot to teach them how to vote talking in reference to the Florida incident. Then went on to say that the black people in those districts must be to illiterate to vote. There is racism everywhere. In both Democrats and Republicans. But the republican stand has vastly changed here lately. Republicans keep spouting welfare reform which I do agree needs to be changed. But they as a party would have America believe that only black people are on welfare. Not true, as matter of fact there are a lot more whites on welfare than it is blacks. There is larger percentage of the black population on welfare than it is white but it still doesn't change the fact that more whites are on welfare than blacks. What I find disappointing is that so many people praise the Republican party and paint the picture that democrats are these god forsaken liberals sympathetic towards social issues. Well I say thank God for it. I appreciate the democrats for at least trying to bridge the social gap that still exists today. The Republicans seem to take stands that would seem to be the exact opposite. Maybe I am wrong for calling the republican racists. Maybe they are not. But if they are not they need to get their republican governors and officals to reach across the racial divide that exists in their states and communitys. I believe in standing up for what is right and calling people of all colors to task concerning some of issues that face our nation socially. To do nothing is the same as being a supporter of what you know is not right. The republican party has taken this very approach. But nothing will never change until action is taken. I am very skeptical of their beliefs and actions. I apologize to anyone I may have painted with a broad brush if they are republicans. I am wrong for going to the extreme as calling all republicans racists. I admit that. But I want to see the same actions from republicans as the dems show toward bridging the racial gap in this country.

 

[Futuramatic]

No no no... I am not going to vindicate your garbage by replying to it. No sir.

 

[Dameon]

by the way, DaBoneHead, I personally had no idea nor care that Classy was black.
All that mattered to me, making blanket statements about all Republicans being racists, KlansMen, etc etc., sorry, that ain't gonna fly and ya sure as hell better have some damn good evidence before you go and say that.

 

[DaBoneHead]

Futuramatic,


I've heard people talk (here, not elsewhere) about millions of uncounted ballots. This is pure speculation, and if so, do you really think that all or most of those votes went to Bush? I dont think so. Moreover, I don't think it would come close enough to overcome a 300k+ deficit.


If the popular vote doesn't matter, then why vote?


And don't try to put words in my mouth -- you can't. My statement was that I understood why Gore was fighting to the death over this. If he had clearly lost this election, then his fighting would be a sign of a &quot;sore/loserman&quot;. But with all the shenanigans going on, I can't fault him. Also, the penchant of the Republican Party lapdogs to resort to name calling and personal attacks is really uncalled for, especially if they really believed from the beginning that Bush would prevail. Why resort to petty tactics like that, or is it because there was something to hide?

 

[DaBoneHead]

Dameon,

One more thing. Classy calls Republicans racist, and that is a generalization I agree that does not apply to all.

However, when one of the Republican Party Lapdogs generalize Liberals as gun-grabbing, bleeding-heart, athiests... that is ok?


A bit of double standard, isn't it?


How about we all just avoid generalizations. Period.

Especially since none of them seem to fit. But that would be too easy, right?

 

[BoberFett]

classless has shown what a wanker he is before. He is one of the kings of unprovoked attacks around here. And I had no idea he was black either, not that it should matter. A wanker is a wanker, no matter what color his skin.

 

[Michael]

DaBoneHead - I don't even recall &quot;.&quot; mentioning his race, so I have no idea. I do not deny there is racism and I fight my own battles on this every day and in every hiring decision I make. Blind bigotry is best ignored when spouted off in the manner that &quot;.&quot; is doing so far. Racism should be fought and not allowed.

You know, of course, that I'm a minority and that I'm an immigrant, right?

You know, of course, that I specifically instruct the recruiting firms that work for me that I expect their candidate pool they present to me to be representative of the area? That I will stop doing business with any that do not give me an opportunity to choose the best person regardless of race?

Michael

 

[Futuramatic]

DBH-

I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, I think I said that a few times. Clean your glasses. If Gore had lost the popular vote but won the electoral, would you be making the same arguement? Everyone knew going into the election that this situation was a possibility.

It is speculation regarding possible uncounted absentee ballots. I think I said that a couple times too. However, if htere is 2 million absentee votes outstanding, it would only take 58% for Bush to overcome 300k votes. Seeing as absentee ballots are to Republicans what California is to Democrats, the possibility of getting 58% isn't far fetched at all.

 

[ride525]

<< You know, of course, that I specifically instruct the recruiting firms that work for me that I expect their candidate pool they present to me to be representative of the area? That I will stop doing business with any that do not give me an opportunity to choose the best person regardless of race? >>


Michael,

Do you realize that those two statements may conflict with each other? That getting a candidate pool that is representative of the area MAY exclude some of the more qualified candidates.

If you really wanted to find the most qualified candidates, do that. But don't exclude more qualifed candidates from the pool of candidates, just because you want a representative pool.

 

[DaBoneHead]

Futuramatic,


I didn't vote for Gore or Bush, but regardless of who wins, I wanted a clean election.


If Gore had won the Electoral, and Bush the popular, I still would have protested, however, so would more of you. In that case we would have been on the same side.


I don't like Gore... I never did. He isn't a &quot;Bore&quot; as so many so ineloquently put it, but he is a flake. I do detest Bush though. I've had to point that out many times so far.

~~~~~~~~~~

Michael,

I read Classys threads and saw nothing that I viewed as so offensive to classify as &quot;beneath&quot; anything. Sure some people didn't like what he wrote, but then sometimes we don't like what we need to hear.

Who you are or what hiring practices make have no bearing on what Classy said. Classey has a right to his opinion, and if you believe it incorrect, then argue your opinion. Who are you to pass judgement.

 

[Michael]

ride525 - It is the only way I have found that works that keeps the recruiters from sending the same race as me to interview. Recruiters are commissioned salespeople and they know that many people hire within a comfort zone. For many, this includes race and sex, so it is easier for them to sell someone that is similar. By telling them that I expect to see qualified candidates that are reflective of the area I live in, I am directly telling them to focus on qualifications and that I do not have a comfort zone that they need to worry about. If you have experience and another suggestion, I would love to hear it. I do not hire based on any quotas, I hire based on qualifications. I work in accounting/finance which is the first male dominated profession that women really broke into (I have had many women bosses in my career).

DaBoneHead - I respect the right of you and &quot;.&quot; to have their opinions and to be able to post them (as long as you meet the standards of conduct of this BBS). I also have the right to my opinion and the right to ignore &quot;.&quot; for whatever reason I feel. I'm glad for you that you feel that &quot;.&quot;'s opinion is something you want to listen to and respond to. It has no bearing, however, on what I will do.

If &quot;.&quot; wants to send me a PM and to start a better discussion on racism and what can be done about it, then I would be open to it. A discussion without name calling, broad smears of groups of people, with a sense of realism and honor towards making things better, I would be happy to discuss it. I am not blind, it is blazingly obvious that racism exists and it attacks the very fabric of our society. I am not blind to the higher error rate in African-American areras of Florida (and many other places). It is obvious that there were many first time voters (it is sad that many were older people who never felt connected enough to vote in the past) and that there is a real education issue.

Michael

edit - I noticed that Classy apologized in another thread for attacking all Republicans as being racist. I will now stop ignoring him. Thank you for the apology.

 

[bigbootydaddy]

Yeah looks like its finally over, gee too bad more than half the country wanted gore, any way you look at it. and plus, every single last one of you would do the same thing Bore did if your job is on the line.

guess americans just like to rub it in.

**shame look**

 

[ride525]

<< I do not hire based on any quotas, I hire based on qualifications. >>



Sounds good to me.

Thanks....

 

[classy]

BoberFett and Daemon have a problem with me because I am against guns. BoberFett knows I am black. Oh I guess Bober Fett forgot her statement concerning the ghetto and my response.
Here's a few links that I found interesting. And before some of you guys judge me for judging the Republicans maybe you need to hear it from a republican himself, Republican JC Watts.

If you think my concerns over Bush being president is unfounded, how is that he gets less than 6% of the black vote for president in 2000 in his own state, but got 27% of the black vote for governor in 1996, seen here. Did they find out something by the year 2000 about the man they didn't know in 1996?

George Bush and the Republicans in Texas concerning the James Byrd incident. It is cut from here.
Hate crimes legislation has even made an appearance in the 2000 presidential race. The Texas House of Representatives recently passed HB938, the James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Act, named after the victim of a racially-motivated attack in Jasper. Byrd was killed after being dragged from the back of a truck by a self-professed racist, who was later sentenced to the death penalty.

In the case of Byrd's murder, the death penalty was an option available to prosecutors regardless of Byrd's race, according to current Texas law.

The Byrd Act passed the Texas House 83-61, largely along party lines, and would allow additional penalties for crimes committed based, in whole or in part, on race, gender, sexual preference or religion. The easy passage in the Texas House, though, doesn't mean the bill will sail through the state Senate, where many Democrats are accusing Republicans of trying to kill the bill in an attempt to save governor and probable presidential candidate George W. Bush from having to sign or veto the bill.

&quot;I believe there are obviously political considerations . . . and the most noteworthy campaign going on in America today is presidential,&quot; claimed state Sen. John Whitmire, a Democrat from Houston.

Republicans have denied those charges, and Bush has refused to comment on the issue other than to say that he'll &quot;look at the bill if it makes it off the floor of the Senate.&quot;
Well we know it didn't get signed. What a guy!


Here are some different views on blacks and politics
Here and Here

Here's a link concerning the black person's right to vote here. Why did Reagan, a republican, not seek to do away with this nonsense. I am not sure but I believe Republicans controlled congress during this time period also.

But here is different spin on the right to vote here. But again why this foolishness at all if everything is equal.

Abe Lincoln did not even believe blacks are socially equal to whites. That is mistake made by many. I hated to get this off of this website but here it is here

Here is a Republican governor tied to Republican David Duke
Louisana Governor in 1999

Lastly Republicans paint the picture that only blacks are on Welfare, thus we need welfare reform. They want to do away with Affirmative Action without even addressing the fact that blacks are still very much discrimanated against in the work place. At least the Democrats want to at least try to make it work until there is sufficient evidence that there is some equality before it is done away with it. Republicans believe in the right to as many firearms as you want. The KKK while they are more anti-goverment then anything. Do however are more likely to support Republicans because they believe in some of the same views although twisted.
This was taken from here.

These are part of the stated objectives of the Ku Klux Klan today:
· Reassert America's White Christian heritage.
· Return prayer to school.
· Stop all non-white immigration.
· Drug testing for all welfare recipients. If they have money for drugs, they don't need your tax dollars.
· Quarantine all AIDS carriers.
· Make the purchase of American industry and property by foreigners illegal.
· Do away with free trade that harms the American worker and employ a policy of protectionism.
· Workfare, not not welfare. You work for your check, so should they!
· Troops on our southern border to stop the entry of illegal aliens.
· Stop reverse discrimination by doing away with Affirmative Action.
· Declare all laws attempting to enforce gun control as unconstitutional.
As you can see, the Ku Klux Klan is very much alive today.

This is the connection that blacks usually make concerning Republicans. While some of it is from being misinformed, a very large part of it is believed because of certain actions percieved to be prejudice by the Republican Party. Republicans need to reach out to the minority communitys. And just because you appoint a couple of blacks in your cabinet, which is a good start, it is far from enough. Even republican JC Watts recognizes that.

Unfortunately it is up to the Republicans to break these stereo types. But if they continue have the occasional incident and refusal to communicate with minorities, the idea that Republicans are prejudice will never go away.

 

[Format C:]

Nobody &quot;needs to reach out&quot; to hate filled racist idiots like you, bubba. Now run along and crawl back under your rock.

 

[classy]

Format:
I am a racist because I point out flaws in the Republican Party image? All those links were not written by me guy. I posted those links to show why we are skeptical of the Republicans. The facts of those links were not created by me. This is exactly what I am talking about the minute some one questions the Republican image which is about as cloudy as a rainy day, they have to liberals, misinformed, from the ghetto, or a &quot;black&quot; racist.

 

[Michael]

classy - Let's address the right for blacks to vote. Your first statement that the right to vote needs to be renewed is incorrect. That right is protected by the Constitution. The Voter's Rights Act is another matter.

Not withstanding what the very basis for the Law in the US is, there was a concerted effort by white's to put enough obstacles in the way of blacks voting so that they could not exercise their Constitutionally granted right. Eventually, the evil of this approach was recognized and, after much fighting and suffering, the US Congress made into law specific protections to ensure that people who could vote were not denies their rights by new laws of mechanisms. There was a time limit built into the law as it placed an extra burden on the States and Congress and there was a hope that eventually it would not be needed. The original law was passed by a Democrat House, Senate, and President. Reagan (a Republican) obviously felt that the protection was still needed, so he renewed it. In 7 more years it will be up for renewal again.

I see nothing in any of the sites you linked to that shows that the Republicans are trying to deny any person their rights and protections under the Constitution or the law.

Michael

 

[classy]

Micheal some of what you say is true. But you have to remember that the constitution that guarantees the right to vote was not written to include Blacks. That law that gets sign every so often is there to protect our rights to vote. Where we don't have take tests or pay money, which were two ways to keep blacks from voting. But when I posted that some have spoke on how Republicans stood for civil rights. Why that may was true in the past, since the signing of the civil rights act it has slowly changed. I posted that as an example to show that if your president and this came up why not just permanently amend the constitution so it is not even an issue. Now you might be able to lay blame on both partys. Always remember that when the constituiton was written, those freedoms were not for the black man. All of our rights have been amended to constitution.