It's over, President-Elect Bush has won.

[Format C:]

I think there is a "sleeper" in the ruling Judge Sauls handed down that nobody, perhaps even the state election commission, has picked up on yet. I believe that he was in effect telling them to throw out ALL of the hand recount totals from the final certification! Read this part of the ruling carefully and let it sink in.

<< As the state's chief legal officer, I feel a duty to warn that if the final certified total for balloting in the state of Florida includes figures generated from this two-tier system of differing behavior by official canvassing boards, the state will incur a legal jeopardy under both the United States and state constitutions. >>

 

[Format C:]

Hmmmm, I'm wondering now if that was part of the Judge's ruling or was just a continuation of his quote of the Attorney General. Not too clear from reading the text version of the ruling if that statement was the Judge's or the AG's. The text closes the quotes and starts a new paragraph with that sentence. Anybody have the full text of the AG's opinion to Judge Burton that this was taken from?

 

[ride525]

Russ,

There was no implied message.....I was pointing out they were applications.....nothing more, nothing less.....you had already pointed out they were not forged.....my post said

&quot;Yeah&quot;....which is a term of agreement....

Geez, can't we agree once in awhile?

 

[Russ]

Ride,

Sorry, agreeing with you will have to wait for another thread. My quota for agreeing with the opposition is limited to one per thread, and Pennstate has already filled it.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Moonbeam]

While my pipe is full only of pipe dreams, the story on the ballot applications is that Republican officials filled out ones that Republicans failed to filled out and threw out the Democratic ones. It is a felony for anybody to fill out these applications but the voter or a relative of the voter. The law is very recent, and a recent election was overturned because a judge threw out all the absentee ballots because this occured. There was fraud in that election, so it will have to be decided by the judge. If she rules in favor of the voter who brought the suit and is sustained by the supreme court of florida, it's bye bye bush.

There will be a certain poetic justice in seeing gore win by having ballots not count, like the rep victory will require. The only real question is whether gore will accept a victory where bush ballots weren't counted. Let's hope he doesn't have that much character.

 

[Russ]

<< the story on the ballot applications is that Republican officials filled out ones that Republicans failed to filled out and threw out the Democratic ones. >>



Moonie,

What planet are you posting from? The Republicans threw out democrat ballot applications? Good one.



<< The only real question is whether gore will accept a victory where bush ballots weren't counted. Let's hope he doesn't have that much character. >>



Certainly nothing to be concerned about there.

Russ, NCNE

 

[bozack]

moonbeam what are you talking about

&quot;poetic justice if gore wins by wotes that dont count since that was what the repubs were pushing for&quot;

go back to smoking your crack pipe....Gore didn't want &quot;all of the votes counted&quot; either-how else can you explain the big stink over the absentee military overseas ballots, man this is getting repetitive.

GORE since he is a big lying ass, cheat, scumbag, anus like his predecessor only wanted the votes that were for him counted, and if they were not specifically for him he went out of his way to make it look like they were for him, by implying voter intent that was never there.


Gore is a thief
Gore is a scumbag
Gore is a Liar
Gore is a typical politician

 

[apoppin]

<< I'ts over, President-Elect Bush has won. >>


Another boring pointless inaccurate post.

Try again next week on or about the 12th when we will know for sure.

 

[Russ]

<< Another boring pointless inaccurate post. >>



Which you just added your own boring, pointless, inaccurate two cents to. The election is over, has been over, Bush has been certified the winner, the Electors have been seated. That is 100% accurate. Gore lost.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Finality]

I'm confused you guy swing liberal around like its a bad word?

I thought liberal meant freedom isn't that what this company was all about? (and yes I'm not an American)

 

[apoppin]

Strange, there are still court cases to be decided and an appeal process. Even more strangely, Gore has not conceeded and Bush has not called himself &quot;President-Elect&quot; in public yet - something you are implying by your thread.

Bush will not be president-Elect until the electors are selected on the 12th and finally vote on the 18th of this month.

Until then, your post remains inaccurate (and pointless) and certainly tired if not boring.

 

[fdiskboy]

Just a quick FYI--most legal scholars agree that the Seminole county (and whatever other county is involved) lawsuit dealing with the absentee ballot applications is a Hail Mary at best for the Gore Team. The judge would have to throw out EVERY absentee ballot in the county, and that &quot;relief&quot; would be extreme to say the least. Not going to happen, get your tickets for the Bush Inauguration '01 now.

 

[Russ]

<< Bush will not be president-Elect until the electors are selected on the 12th >>



You know, apoppin, you generally aren't quite that thick. The Electors are ALREADY selected. Or, maybe you just didn't bother to check the link to the Federal archives, which happens to be the official repository of such things.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Zedfu]

no offence here, but if block-head bush wins this election, i'll be so disappointed at the US. he's not even fit to be a president. all he does is take constant advices from his helpers.

 

[apoppin]

Russ, you weren't so boring and pointless and inaccurate until this election.

The electors don't actually vote till the 18th. There are still court cases and appeals to be decided in Florida regarding the election results.

Bush doesn't yet call himself President Elect.

Gore has not yet conceded.

You seem to be overlooking some facts. Try again next week when you may be absolutely right (or not).

 

[PCAddict]

While my pipe is full only of pipe dreams, the story on the ballot applications is that Republican officials filled out ones that Republicans failed to filled out and threw out the Democratic ones

Moonbeam, I think the only pipe you've got is a crack pipe. Where did you come up with this idea? I think this tops everything I've seen the Democrats pull out of their collective ass during this whole ordeal.

 

[classy]

The Racists Republicans are back. I am sure me and my family feel safe now. But it doesn't matter, even if we're dragged to death I am sure the Grand Wizard in the white house wouldn't even make a comforting comment. Oh well, I am glad to see everyone is just so happy. Oh and have a Merry Christmas and may God have mercy on us all.

 

[Michael]

&quot;classy&quot; - I don't think I've ever seen such a mismatch between a online alias and the statements made under the alias.

Michael

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

PCAddict:

While Moonbeam has exaggerated the allegations somewhat, he is not completely off-base. See this article for additional information. I frankly doubt this suit will go anywhere, but it is not yet a dead issue, and frankly it does appear there was some impropriety.

The laws that prohibit anyone but the voter from completing a ballot application were enacted after the mayoral race in Miami was overturned a few years ago amid the revelation that the winner had bought thousands of absentee ballots for an average of $13 each and sent them in! I do not think the Republican conduct in this case was nearly as ill-intentioned, but it does seem it worked out to be rather prejudicial to the Dems.

I think this will be the most Pyrrhic victory in Presidential history, and I do not envy the victor his wafer-thin margin of victory one whit.

 

[classy]

Well Michael, if you or someone else thinks I have no class because the Republican Party has never ever and I mean never stood up for equal rights of all people both white and minorities (black, hispanic, jews, and etc.) oh well. Your opinion means very little because it is a fact that Republicans have fought against rights for blacks or minorities. Are the KKK and the majority of the south Democrat or Republicans? Republicans. And to know that once again in Florida the Justice Department is now going to investigate allegations of republicans trying to stop blacks from voting in this election. Most of the votes that have not been look at by human eyes are from majority black districts. The republicans stood against intergration and civil rights sir. And I see nothing of this crew that would lead me to believe they are any different from their republican fore-fathers. Did you know that the African American right to vote is not protected in the constitution. We have the right to vote via an amendment to the constitution that is resigned every so many years. The last time it came up was during the Reagan administration and all he did was sign it to extend our right to vote. Why not just make it constitutional law? And guess what in the year 2003 or 2007 it expires was once again. So let me ask you how much class did the republicans have then? Did you know that they even want to do away with Affirmative Action and it hasn't even worked. How many black CEO's do you know of in the corporate America? Did you know that just this year in good ole Alabama a republican state that they voted this year just to do away with the state law that prohibits inter-racial marriage? And guess what it passed! And get this 60% to 40% decided that it was time for that law to be stricken from state law. Wow 40% of the people who voted on that in Alabama still believe its wrong and that the law should stay. Hmmm how much class is that? Before you consider my comments &quot;class less&quot; you better understand what the history of republican party is and the future they speak of even today. It ain't all &quot;colorful&quot; if you know what I mean.

 

[Napalm381]

<< Your opinion means very little because it is a fact that Republicans have fought against rights for blacks or minorities. >>

I suppose the fact that Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation means very little to you.

 

[Michael]

&quot;classy&quot; - What party was Lincoln the leader of? What party appears to be about to name the first black Secretary of State?

I'm not a Republican, so your comment does not directly attack me. However, your slander towards all Republicans more than shows that you lack basic decency and class.

Michael

edit - I will add that the Republican party would welcome any who wanted to join.

I support the goals of Affirmative Action and reject the methods.

2nd edit - As far as I can tell, the 15th amendment, which allowed any to vote regardless of race, came about with US Grant as President. He was a Republican. It was passed in 1870, 50 years before women were allowed to vote and a hundred and one years before the voting age was lowered to 18. I would say that women and younger adult citizens have more to gripe about there.

 

[Dameon]

GEORGE WALLACE - MR SEGREGATION HIMSELF WAS A DEM*O*CRAT.

 

[Dameon]

Gore's own father, Senator Albert Gore, Sr., voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It was Republican Senator Everett Dirksen who broke the Democratic filibuster against the act that year. It was Republican votes that enacted both the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 in greater numbers than Democrats.

 

[Tiger]

One little factoid everybody, especially the press, forgets about these absentee ballot applications is that they were printed by a third party for the republican party in seminole county. The democrats did the same thing in the same county. It's a practice which is allowed by Florida law. The argument that nobody is allowed to fill in these numbers but the voter is ridiculous. How many of you know your voter identification number?

The only thing the voter has to do is sign and date the application and write in the last four digits of their social security number.

At worst this was an administrative snafu. The Gore campaign would have us believe they wanted no part of this suit, yet the democrat, activist, lawyer who filed it contacted the Gore campaign before filing it. Hmmmmmm?