It should be legal to shoot-to-kill for property theft

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: beer

Originally posted by: SuperTool
You are basing that on numbers you pull out of where?
California EE's are more likely to find a job than Texas EE's.

What the fscsk did this thread turn into? You think we have an inherent lack of skill, because we're from Texas. That's bullsh!t and you just talking crap out of your ass. Silicon Valley EEs may get paid more, but there is a higher cost of living, and I don't think finding employment is hard for ANYONE where I go to school with! This should not be a pissing contest and should focus on the topic at hand.

Hey, you are the one who brought up EE's. Guess what I may move to Texas and keep my CA salary. Then you'll be my b!tch. 😀
Stanford and Cal people aren't exactly suffering either. I don't have anything against UT Austin. But Austin is more like Silicon Valley than it is like the rest of Texas. Take out Silicon Valley companies and their money and see how many EE's Austin employs.

you are the most elitist person I have ever heard speak.

you are talking as if Silicon Valley companies are giving out charity by offering jobs in Austin. There obviously is a reason why they put their money in Austin. If Austin engineering was inferior like you state, then they wouldn't be here, plain and simple.

The entire premise of your hypothesis is contradictory.

by chance, what branch of EE do you work in?

I don't have a hypothesis. I am just responding to these nonsensical comments from Texans with inferiority complexes who are obviously misinformed about the employment situation for EE's in silicon valley, or have info from 2 years ago. If you are happy with Texas, and Texas education, I am happy for you. If not, there isn't much I can do about it, so quit taking your fat aggression out on me 😉

[sarcasm] you're so witty with your ability to weave insults in to your replys. Man, its too subtle for me to detect. [/sarcasm]

Hey, at least I don't have to explicitly point out my sarcasm. 😀

I'm not even sure what your point in this whole thread is.

Lets look at the progression of posts.

you first post " everything is dumber in Texas"
beer replies " A texas EE degree is worth just as much as an EE degree from somewhere else"

you reply " Texas EEs get paid 10K less out of college compared to silicon valley EEs"

and that is where you make your first logical fallacy. All of a sudden, Texas EEs mean those working in texas and not those who graduated from UT Austin.

Unless if you really mean a undergrad coming out of Stanford or Berkley makes 10K more than a UT austin EE undergrad ( i highly doubt this), if you can find the statistical numbers though, more power to you.

I guess I should point out my sarcasm for folks in this forum as well.
I don't have anything against Texas, except that Texans obviously can't take a joke and need to grow thicker skin. 😀
On a more serious note,
People, even thieves >> Property. If they are hijacking you, yes, shoot them. But if they are stealing your car, let police and insurance companies take care of it. You can get your property back, but you can't bring a life back if you kill someone.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: DrPizza

(yes, I know your rebuttal... how does that justify someone from taking your possessions. Let's take it to an extreme: Leave a $100 bill 5 inches onto your property from the sidewalk. Do you think no one is going to pick it up? It's on your property, it belongs to you. Someplace between that extreme and the other extreme of having your property 100% inaccessible there's got to be a line. I say that line is on the other side of leaving the temptation for criminals. )

In your world should anyone ever be allowed to use deadly force?

Also, you seem to have a dim view of joe citizen, accusing law abiding people of setting man traps so the can murder another human. Please find me one example of your scenario ever happining in Texas...

Certainly not. I believe deadly force should be allowed when one thinks their safety is in danger. Not deadly force for someone stealing a candybar. I'm not saying that people have necessarily been shot over a candybar, but if it's legal to shoot a 10 year old shoplifting a candybar, then that's kinda fvcked up - regardless of whether it happens or not. Even if it hasn't happened yet, some day, it very well may. To actually have laws which say it's legal is just plain retarded.

Suppose Connecticut had a law making it legal to shoot someone for throwing cigarette butts out their window ( <actually, that might not be such a bad idea> ) Why? Because it's stealing from the taxpayers who have to pay for the street sweeper. Now, we can easily point out that no one has actually ever been shot for this. But, wouldn't it be a retarded law?

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Suppose Connecticut had a law making it legal to shoot someone for throwing cigarette butts out their window ( <actually, that might not be such a bad idea> ) Why? Because it's stealing from the taxpayers who have to pay for the street sweeper. Now, we can easily point out that no one has actually ever been shot for this. But, wouldn't it be a retarded law?

Yes, that would be a stupid law. Guess you have to be sort of stupid to think of it in the first place...

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: beer

Originally posted by: shuan24
i know for sure in texas you have the right no doubt to shoot someone if they break into your house.

I know this, but I am talking about property outside my house. If I look outside my window and see an arm go through my car, I should be able to use force - even though my house is completely overlooked and nobody related to me is in harm's way.

I can't count the number of times I was a nice neighbor and turned off someone's car lights that some idiot left on (typically during the daytime after a brief rainstorm - storm ends and they forget the lights were on) - So, opening the door to turn off the lights for them would be justification for them to shoot me?!

Texas logic = retarded.

Proof is in the pudding. The fact this doesn't happen on a daily basis, it's actually fairly rare, is very telling.

Conclusion = lacking. Common sense prevails.

Oh, and don't open the doors to someone else's can in Texas, let them know or leave it alone. 😉

One thing you have to remember is the source of this law, horse/cattle theft (which amazingly STILL happens). Don't touch another man's horse/cattle...

Moo.

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: beer

Originally posted by: shuan24
i know for sure in texas you have the right no doubt to shoot someone if they break into your house.

I know this, but I am talking about property outside my house. If I look outside my window and see an arm go through my car, I should be able to use force - even though my house is completely overlooked and nobody related to me is in harm's way.

I can't count the number of times I was a nice neighbor and turned off someone's car lights that some idiot left on (typically during the daytime after a brief rainstorm - storm ends and they forget the lights were on) - So, opening the door to turn off the lights for them would be justification for them to shoot me?!

Texas logic = retarded.

Proof is in the pudding. The fact this doesn't happen on a daily basis, it's actually fairly rare, is very telling.

Conclusion = lacking. Common sense prevails.

Oh, and don't open the doors to someone else's can in Texas, let them know or leave it alone. 😉

One thing you have to remember is the source of this law, horse/cattle theft (which amazingly STILL happens). Don't touch another man's horse/cattle...

Moo.

Despite your user name, I find your post completely lacking.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

One, anyone making the "shoot to immobilize" point either does not or should not own a gun.

Two, I'm all for pouring a little bleach in the gene pool. Live by the Thug Lyfe Bling Bling, die by it. Hopefully soon, and without offspring.

Third, Mo0o, please change your name to BaAa 😛

- M4H

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: beer

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: amoeba

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: beer

Originally posted by: SuperTool
You are basing that on numbers you pull out of where?
California EE's are more likely to find a job than Texas EE's.

What the fscsk did this thread turn into? You think we have an inherent lack of skill, because we're from Texas. That's bullsh!t and you just talking crap out of your ass. Silicon Valley EEs may get paid more, but there is a higher cost of living, and I don't think finding employment is hard for ANYONE where I go to school with! This should not be a pissing contest and should focus on the topic at hand.

Hey, you are the one who brought up EE's. Guess what I may move to Texas and keep my CA salary. Then you'll be my b!tch. 😀
Stanford and Cal people aren't exactly suffering either. I don't have anything against UT Austin. But Austin is more like Silicon Valley than it is like the rest of Texas. Take out Silicon Valley companies and their money and see how many EE's Austin employs.

you are the most elitist person I have ever heard speak.

you are talking as if Silicon Valley companies are giving out charity by offering jobs in Austin. There obviously is a reason why they put their money in Austin. If Austin engineering was inferior like you state, then they wouldn't be here, plain and simple.

The entire premise of your hypothesis is contradictory.

by chance, what branch of EE do you work in?

I don't have a hypothesis. I am just responding to these nonsensical comments from Texans with inferiority complexes who are obviously misinformed about the employment situation for EE's in silicon valley, or have info from 2 years ago. If you are happy with Texas, and Texas education, I am happy for you. If not, there isn't much I can do about it, so quit taking your fat aggression out on me 😉

The only one that said anything was Hammer - not me. I just said that the notion that Texans are stupider because we are from Texas proves your ignorance.

well i referenced an article discussing a study done at UC Berkeley. you can contact those californians and tell them they're uninformed, nonsensical, have inferiority complexes, etc. I'm happy where I live. I have been offered more than one job in California and have turned them down.

 

[KingPhil]

Originally posted by: beer
If I see someone breaking into my car, it should be legal for me to shoot them. It should make no difference whether I am in imminent bodily threat, pieces of sh!t deserve to be removed from the gene pull and handgun rounds should be doing the trick.

There's ways around that......... shoot him, then bring him inside 😉 claim he attacked you........ blah blah blah 🙂

 

[KingPhil]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
No, if somebody is not simply breaking into your car should you be able to shoot them. What if they steal a can of coke that's sitting on your car and run off? Can you drop them as they run? What if you drop a penny on the ground and they take that? Cap their ass?

Yes!

 

[PingSpike]

Sounds good in theory. But what happens when I just shoot some guy I don't like and then shove my wallet in his back pocket before calling the cops?

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: beer

Originally posted by: SuperTool
You are basing that on numbers you pull out of where?
California EE's are more likely to find a job than Texas EE's.

What the fscsk did this thread turn into? You think we have an inherent lack of skill, because we're from Texas. That's bullsh!t and you just talking crap out of your ass. Silicon Valley EEs may get paid more, but there is a higher cost of living, and I don't think finding employment is hard for ANYONE where I go to school with! This should not be a pissing contest and should focus on the topic at hand.

Hey, you are the one who brought up EE's. Guess what I may move to Texas and keep my CA salary. Then you'll be my b!tch. 😀
Stanford and Cal people aren't exactly suffering either. I don't have anything against UT Austin. But Austin is more like Silicon Valley than it is like the rest of Texas. Take out Silicon Valley companies and their money and see how many EE's Austin employs.

i hope you do come to texas... and try to break into my car. 😀

Or I could just park my car next to yours in a parking lot, and then when you go up to your car, I can shoot you. Then as you are dying, I will take your hand and put your fingerprints on my door handle, and claim you were trying to break into my car. Then I could just buy your car at an estate or bank auction. 🙂 Would you be happy with devaluing human life that low?

no one would believe i was trying to steal your 10 year old minivan. :laugh:

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: beer
If I see someone breaking into my car, it should be legal for me to shoot them. It should make no difference whether I am in imminent bodily threat, pieces of sh!t deserve to be removed from the gene pull and handgun rounds should be doing the trick.

Not unless your car is in your house..... garage doesnt even count... so shoot them and drag them inside =P

 

[Papagayo]

IF you are going to kill someone, make sure that there are no witnesses..

After you kill the person, put a weapon on the body (screwdriver, knife, etc..)

Tell the cops that he was coming after you with a weapon..

Your word verses deadman's word..

You win..

 

[shuan24]

wow this went from a legal discussion to size of e-penises to planting weapons....😕

 

[NyteCrawler]

Amen, we should have that right. How do they expect us to sit and watch someone steal from us and not do something about it. You steal from me you meet my shotgun. Plain and simple.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Proof is in the pudding. The fact this doesn't happen on a daily basis, it's actually fairly rare, is very telling.

Conclusion = lacking. Common sense prevails.

Oh, and don't open the doors to someone else's can in Texas, let them know or leave it alone. 😉

One thing you have to remember is the source of this law, horse/cattle theft (which amazingly STILL happens). Don't touch another man's horse/cattle...

Moo.

Despite your user name, I find your post completely lacking.

Thanks for the... uhhh... insight...? 😕

 

[yllus]

Thomas Jefferson thought the right of individuals to own and defend his/her property was the foundation of lawful government and civilization.

"The first foundations of the social compact would be broken up were we definitely to refuse to its members the protection of their persons and property while in their lawful pursuits." --Thomas Jefferson to James Maury, 1812. ME 13:145

http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1550.htm

How about - instead of all these ridiculous hypotheticals about "what if you needed to break in to your neighbour's car to turn off the lights" - if people who don't own that property just leave it alone to begin with? You should be allowed to load that peppering shot stuff for use in your shotgun if someone tries to take off with your car or TV or something. Serves them right for trying to violate one of the most basic principles of the land.

 

[tec699]

Originally posted by: NyteCrawler
Amen, we should have that right. How do they expect us to sit and watch someone steal from us and not do something about it. You steal from me you meet my shotgun. Plain and simple.

lol, you're a f*ckin chicksh*t.

If I go into a store and I drop a $10 bill and you pick it up then I should have the right to kill you. You just picked up my money right? You were going to pocket my money right? THEN YOU SHOULD DIE! :disgust:

Thank god you idiots don't make the laws.

 

[gabemcg]

DIAFOP

 

[tec699]

Originally posted by: yllus
Thomas Jefferson thought the right of individuals to own and defend his/her property was the foundation of lawful government and civilization.

"The first foundations of the social compact would be broken up were we definitely to refuse to its members the protection of their persons and property while in their lawful pursuits." --Thomas Jefferson to James Maury, 1812. ME 13:145

http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1550.htm

How about - instead of all these ridiculous hypotheticals about "what if you needed to break in to your neighbour's car to turn off the lights" - if people who don't own that property just leave it alone to begin with? You should be allowed to load that peppering shot stuff for use in your shotgun if someone tries to take off with your car or TV or something. Serves them right for trying to violate one of the most basic principles of the land.

As I stated earlier if I dropped my money and I saw your son pick it up I should put a bullet in your his head?

That actually sounds like fun. If we were able to kill people in random fashion then I would drop money on purpose. Once an individual picked it up... BAM! Hey he or she was stealing MY MONEY! ALL SHOULD DIE!

:disgust:

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: yllus
Thomas Jefferson thought the right of individuals to own and defend his/her property was the foundation of lawful government and civilization.

"The first foundations of the social compact would be broken up were we definitely to refuse to its members the protection of their persons and property while in their lawful pursuits." --Thomas Jefferson to James Maury, 1812. ME 13:145

http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1550.htm

How about - instead of all these ridiculous hypotheticals about "what if you needed to break in to your neighbour's car to turn off the lights" - if people who don't own that property just leave it alone to begin with? You should be allowed to load that peppering shot stuff for use in your shotgun if someone tries to take off with your car or TV or something. Serves them right for trying to violate one of the most basic principles of the land.

As I stated earlier if I dropped my money and I saw your son pick it up I should put a bullet in your his head?

That actually sounds like fun. If we were able to kill people in random fashion then I would drop money on purpose. Once an individual picked it up... BAM! Hey he or she was stealing MY MONEY! ALL SHOULD DIE!

:disgust:

What did I just say about idiotic hypotheticals? Not a single person but you has ever said, "Yes, I would shoot a kid who picked up a $10 I dropped in a store." I don't know what the hell you're arguing about or who you expect to take you seriously with lame logic like that.

Are you expecting everyone to be armed in a store? Do you expect people would shoot over what happens on property not their own? Put some brain cells to work. If you creep onto someone's property where their very presence makes the situation a whole lot more clear-cut, then maybe you have reason to shoot. Take a deep breath and try to think about the argument logically.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: illustri

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: beer

Originally posted by: shuan24
i know for sure in texas you have the right no doubt to shoot someone if they break into your house.

I know this, but I am talking about property outside my house. If I look outside my window and see an arm go through my car, I should be able to use force - even though my house is completely overlooked and nobody related to me is in harm's way.

I can't count the number of times I was a nice neighbor and turned off someone's car lights that some idiot left on (typically during the daytime after a brief rainstorm - storm ends and they forget the lights were on) - So, opening the door to turn off the lights for them would be justification for them to shoot me?!

Texas logic = retarded.

whoa you break into a car to turn the lights off? do you take some change from the ashtray for your efforts?

wow, I'm glad I don't live in the neighborhoods you people seem to live in... in my previous neighborhood (which I moved from 2 weeks ago) I never locked my door in 15 years, except when I was on a vacation for more than a week. And I never locked my car door.
Paranoid? Or is crime that high?
Of course, I'm also not an idiot who leaves cash and CD collections laying in plain view - with the door locked. If you're stupid enough to leave valuables sitting there, then you deserve it when someone breaks your car window to take them.

(yes, I know your rebuttal... how does that justify someone from taking your possessions. Let's take it to an extreme: Leave a $100 bill 5 inches onto your property from the sidewalk. Do you think no one is going to pick it up? It's on your property, it belongs to you. Someplace between that extreme and the other extreme of having your property 100% inaccessible there's got to be a line. I say that line is on the other side of leaving the temptation for criminals. )

Same thing with hot looking women, they dress in tight clothing showing off all that cleavage and ass cheeks, they're bound to get raped, they deserve it. They need to dress more like muslim women in public. 😛

 

[tec699]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: illustri

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: beer

Originally posted by: shuan24
i know for sure in texas you have the right no doubt to shoot someone if they break into your house.

I know this, but I am talking about property outside my house. If I look outside my window and see an arm go through my car, I should be able to use force - even though my house is completely overlooked and nobody related to me is in harm's way.

I can't count the number of times I was a nice neighbor and turned off someone's car lights that some idiot left on (typically during the daytime after a brief rainstorm - storm ends and they forget the lights were on) - So, opening the door to turn off the lights for them would be justification for them to shoot me?!

Texas logic = retarded.

whoa you break into a car to turn the lights off? do you take some change from the ashtray for your efforts?

wow, I'm glad I don't live in the neighborhoods you people seem to live in... in my previous neighborhood (which I moved from 2 weeks ago) I never locked my door in 15 years, except when I was on a vacation for more than a week. And I never locked my car door.
Paranoid? Or is crime that high?
Of course, I'm also not an idiot who leaves cash and CD collections laying in plain view - with the door locked. If you're stupid enough to leave valuables sitting there, then you deserve it when someone breaks your car window to take them.

(yes, I know your rebuttal... how does that justify someone from taking your possessions. Let's take it to an extreme: Leave a $100 bill 5 inches onto your property from the sidewalk. Do you think no one is going to pick it up? It's on your property, it belongs to you. Someplace between that extreme and the other extreme of having your property 100% inaccessible there's got to be a line. I say that line is on the other side of leaving the temptation for criminals. )

Same thing with hot looking women, they dress in tight clothing showing off all that cleavage and ass cheeks, they're bound to get raped, they deserve it. They need to dress more like muslim women in public. 😛

i AGREE! Those hot women all deserve to get rapped! also the hot dudes as well.

 

[Hammer]

some of you idiots can't read. the relevant statutes have been posted already. let me explain in small words for the intellectually challenged on this board: first of all, $10 isn't enough value to make it a felony. second, $10 left on the street isn't someone's car or home, its public property. and lastly, i don't think someone's kid picking up $10 for the street would be classified by a reasonable person as requiring the use of deadly force.

 

[shuan24]

i'm not seeing the correlation between purposefully leaving money on the ground to shoot someone and women getting raped.

either way, both of those arguments are completely idiotic. I like how every northerner thinks that Texas is full of gun-slinging cowboys. We ride horses to work and tie em up outside the stable next to the saloons. We get an hour off at noon so we can watch the daily shootout between the reigning champ Billy the Kid and the new sherriff in town.