It Looks Like Trump is Gearing up for a Presidential Run (2024).

[Fanatical Meat]

It will never happen…DeSantis just has to cough/sneeze a few syllables that rhyme with “pardon” and Trump will fold his campaign in a heartbeat.

He is just sooooo mentally broken I am not sure he is capable of “losing” a primary even when he gets something out of it.
I am confident I could bait him into running just by saying “You look like a loser”.

 

[Zor Prime]

Manchin needs to run. He's one of the only Democrats that all sides would throw votes at. Love or hate the guy, he could knock off Trump or DeSantis.

 

[emperus]

Manchin needs to run. He's one of the only Democrats that all sides would throw votes at. Love or hate the guy, he could knock off Trump or DeSantis.

Would never vote for him. He is what the problem with Politics is.

 

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Biden polls ok when you look at identified D voters and just gets murdered by independents. He's better than Trump but a 33% approval of independents is pretty abysmal. That's not a number I'd hang my hat on going into a national election that's been decided by 10k-15k votes in a handful of states.

I know that the 2024 election is more than two years away but until corporations end the choke hold on us and we have a senate with a set of genitals ready to stand up and codify rights I see little changing before then that will actually motivate voters. We've got rampant gun violence, off the chart inflation, record gas prices, and an economy teetering on a full scale recession. The cards are stacked against the incumbent right now.

 

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Manchin needs to run. He's one of the only Democrats that all sides would throw votes at. Love or hate the guy, he could knock off Trump or DeSantis.

Another death sentence. His name is trash in the democratic party. He may as well just change his affiliation and wear his true colors.

 

[fskimospy]

Biden polls ok when you look at identified D voters and just gets murdered by independents. He's better than Trump but a 33% approval of independents is pretty abysmal. That's not a number I'd hang my hat on going into a national election that's been decided by 10k-15k votes in a handful of states.

I know that the 2024 election is more than two years away but until corporations end the choke hold on us and we have a senate with a set of genitals ready to stand up and codify rights I see little changing before then that will actually motivate voters. We've got rampant gun violence, off the chart inflation, record gas prices, and an economy teetering on a full scale recession. The cards are stacked against the incumbent right now.

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Remember, the base motivation strategy is political suicide - just ask Trump. As far as inflation, gas prices, or the economy in 2024 nobody will give a single, solitary shit what they were in 2022. Like, absolutely zero shits, which is of course why predicting things two years out is a fool's errand.

Oh, and gas prices are already declining and oil is cratering, indicating far larger gas price drops are coming soon. See? And it's not even 2024 yet! haha.

 

[cytg111]

Many wonder if he will make it to 2024.

I hope he does as President Kamala Harris make me want to throw up.

Who would you? Also thats an emotional response, where did Kamala touch you?

 

[SMOGZINN]

They need someone that can motivate the entire tent and not pander to identity politics.

I don't think that is even possible. The Democratic tent has become so large I doubt you could get everyone to agree to anything. Probably 1/4 of the current democratic party was Republicans 10 years ago.

Manchin needs to run. He's one of the only Democrats that all sides would throw votes at. Love or hate the guy, he could knock off Trump or DeSantis.

Are you kidding? If it was Manchin vs Trump I would vote 3rd party knowing I was helping Trump win. I honestly would rather Trump won without my vote then Manchin win with it.
I can hold my nose and vote for a candidate I don't like because I know it is better for the nation then Trump, but I honestly don't think that is true when it comes to Manchin.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't think that is even possible. The Democratic tent has become so large I doubt you could get everyone to agree to anything. Probably 1/4 of the current democratic party was Republicans 10 years ago.


Are you kidding? If it was Manchin vs Trump I would vote 3rd party knowing I was helping Trump win. I honestly would rather Trump won without my vote then Manchin win with it.
I can hold my nose and vote for a candidate I don't like because I know it is better for the nation then Trump, but I honestly don't think that is true when it comes to Manchin.

Deciding to destroy American democracy because you're mad at Joe Manchin seems like a bad idea.

 

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The base strategy for each side is very different and frankly not comparable. Dem tent is more of a coalition. There is no single base. GOP voters are a much more narrow collection of voters. It's much easier for D's to turn away part of their base they need to turn out votes in critical places like Philly, Miami, Detroit, Milwaukee, ect because of the diversity they represent.

For GOP, it's basically don't be such a shit bird that you turn away stay at home moms in the suburbs. Trump overplayed to his degenerate base and those suburban votes stayed home.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Deciding to destroy American democracy because you're mad at Joe Manchin seems like a bad idea.

Convince me that Manchin would actually be better than Trump...? Dude seems to have a hard-on for Republican policies, and he's probably smarter than a sack of hammers.

 

[eelw]

But who cares who the Dems have as their candidate as long it’s not a Repugnican winning. If independents are too stupid to only see gas prices and inflation, well screw then under R rule again.

 

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I don't think that is even possible. The Democratic tent has become so large I doubt you could get everyone to agree to anything. Probably 1/4 of the current democratic party was Republicans 10 years ago.

Obama understood microtargeting better and let data and technology handle the identity side of politics. And publicly sold people on a message.

I agree that the Dem base is so wide it's hard to keep everyone happy. That's why you let microtargeting address that in a more discrete manner and not play your hand publicly on pandering to identity politics. Doing it publicly pisses off the other end of the dem base that now feels excluded and gives GOP more fuel for Fox news clips.

Microtargeting (and a little casual collusion and foreign meddling) powered Trump in 2016 far more than most know.

 

[fskimospy]

The base strategy for each side is very different and frankly not comparable. Dem tent is more of a coalition. There is no single base. GOP voters are a much more narrow collection of voters. It's much easier for D's to turn away part of their base they need to turn out votes in critical places like Philly, Miami, Detroit, Milwaukee, ect because of the diversity they represent.

For GOP, it's basically don't be such a shit bird that you turn away stay at home moms in the suburbs. Trump overplayed to his degenerate base and those suburban votes stayed home.

There's a lot of research into this and what it basically finds is things that motivate your base also motivate your opponents' base so they cancel out.

The fact that Trump didn't understand this, and still doesn't understand this, is why he lost. You keep seeing him say something like 'I got 80 million votes, even more than last time, how could I have lost!?' The reason is that every day he was campaigning he was actually campaigning for Joe Biden too.

 

[fskimospy]

Convince me that Manchin would actually be better than Trump...? Dude seems to have a hard-on for Republican policies, and he's probably smarter than a sack of hammers.

Joe Manchin is not a mentally ill criminal.

Next question?

 

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There's a lot of research into this and what it basically finds is things that motivate your base also motivate your opponents' base so they cancel out.

I struggle with this. Roe vs Wade had something like a 70% support nationally. That *has* to include Republicans with that much favorable support. It's not a 51/49 issue. 70% is big. And now it's gone. Do the 20% of GOP voters get motivated now? Less motivated? How does that work?

With a minority rule at this point and as much electoral and supreme court fuckery going on, we aren't even remotely tracking with public support. Having a motivated base is hard to square when the system is rigged against you.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Deciding to destroy American democracy because you're mad at Joe Manchin seems like a bad idea.

I'm not mad at Joe Manchin. I think he would be more effective at dismantling our democracy than Trump would. Trump is a lazy buffoon. He tried and failed at destroying our democracy. With him in power again everyone is going to be hyper vigilant against his machinations, and his laziness and overconfidence give us a good chance at holding the line. But Manchin is no fool, but also cares nothing at all about securing our democracy and will happily dismantle it to make himself more rich and powerful.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Joe Manchin is not a mentally ill criminal.

Next question?

No he is a mentally competent criminal. That is actually worse.

 

[brycejones]

Manchin needs to run. He's one of the only Democrats that all sides would throw votes at. Love or hate the guy, he could knock off Trump or DeSantis.

How high are you?

 

[fskimospy]

No he is a mentally competent criminal. That is actually worse.

He's a criminal? Can you show me evidence of this?

 

[fskimospy]

I'm not mad at Joe Manchin. I think he would be more effective at dismantling our democracy than Trump would. Trump is a lazy buffoon. He tried and failed at destroying our democracy. With him in power again everyone is going to be hyper vigilant against his machinations, and his laziness and overconfidence give us a good chance at holding the line. But Manchin is no fool, but also cares nothing at all about securing our democracy and will happily dismantle it to make himself more rich and powerful.

What evidence do you have of Manchin attempting to dismantle our democracy?

 

[eelw]

What evidence do you have of Manchin attempting to dismantle our democracy?

By willfully failing to act to do anything right now

 

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Fucker couldn't be arsed to help extend the monthly child tax credits that were pretty universally supported. Why? Because that money might be used for drugs or booze. Spoken like a true Republican.

 

[fskimospy]

By willfully failing to act to do anything right now

Okay so if I understand the argument correctly Manchin, by not stopping Trumpkins in their attempt to destroy democracy is actually a bigger danger to it than the people (checks notes) - doing the destroying.

I get that people don't like Joe Manchin and I think some of that disdain is deserved, but this is an insane argument.

 

[fskimospy]

Fucker couldn't be arsed to help extend the monthly child tax credits that were pretty universally supported. Why? Because that money might be used for drugs or booze. Spoken like a true Republican.

Spoken like a Democrat elected in a state Trump won by 40 points.