It Looks Like Trump is Gearing up for a Presidential Run (2024).

[Lezunto]

I am now certain many that decent, kind and fair-minded folks do not fully understand that a vile subset want Trump to dominate those they considers beneath them. You’ve been missing this from the start.

Is this why so many remain perplexed over Trump not facing a criminal trial? I don’t believe the fix is in everywhere. I just think too many are frightened to step forward knowing social, financial and legal jeopardy may await.

Not all will gleefully ride off with the Trump mob. Some will have to be coerced. Others may weigh the benefits. But most will simply avert their gaze, maybe even quietly frown. But don’t expect many to stand up. Those would be the brave ones, and the principled.

It's one thing to type venom on a computer. Quite another to risk your career, loved ones and standing to resist. You can be a pain in the butt to evil. But be smart about it. Recognize whom your enemies truly are.

 

[eelw]

So far as what is the difference between this and a criminal conviction - the latter does not bar you from holding office.

Just to clarify, found guilty of violating PRA is automatic ban from holding public office

(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.As used in this subsection, the term "office" does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

Unlike with impeachment, a separate vote for removal and then another vote to ban from holding public office.

 

[woolfe9998]

Just to clarify, found guilty of violating PRA is automatic ban from holding public office

Yes, but that part of PRA is almost certainly unconstitutional.

 

[fskimospy]

Just to clarify, found guilty of violating PRA is automatic ban from holding public office

Unlike with impeachment, a separate vote for removal and then another vote to ban from holding public office.

You can’t make a law that overrides the constitutional requirements for office.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes, but that part of PRA is almost certainly unconstitutional.

As it applies to the president at least. Presumably you could bar someone from becoming the federal dog catcher or something.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes, but that part of PRA is almost certainly unconstitutional.

And also we really don’t want it so the currently elected government can disqualify potential rivals in this way because people like Trump would be the ones who used it.

Insurrection makes sense as you tried to violently overthrow the government you want to run. That’s about it though.

 

[woolfe9998]

And also we really don’t want it so the currently elected government can disqualify potential rivals in this way because people like Trump would be the ones who used it.

Insurrection makes sense as you tried to violently overthrow the government you want to run. That’s about it though.

Yes, I agree. Insurrection should be the only thing which qualifies. Maybe treason.

Was wondering how this matter could be brought before a federal court to get a ruling that Trump cannot hold office. The case in New Mexico against the County Commissioner was filed by private citizens, under a New Mexico statute which grants standing to anyone challenging someone's right to legally hold office. Wondering if there is an equivalent federal statute. Perhaps not, as I can only assume someone would already have availed themselves of it. Trying to recall the lawsuits that were filed against Obama by the birthers.

 

[Lezunto]

A big hill to climb with enforcement:

Hundreds of Law Enforcement, Military Part of Jan. 6-Linked Oath Keepers: Report

Over 3,300 signed up for the far-right extremist group in Texas while New York State had the most law enforcement join, a new report says.

www.huffpost.com

 

[Lezunto]

Yes, I agree. Insurrection should be the only thing which qualifies. Maybe treason.

Was wondering how this matter could be brought before a federal court to get a ruling that Trump cannot hold office.

Trying to recall the lawsuits that were filed against Obama by the birthers.

I really loathe using Wikipedia, but I have not found a suitable database for this birther lawsuit stuff yet:

Obama birth certificate lawsuits - Conservapedia

www.conservapedia.com

 

[eelw]

Yes she said she has no desire to be POTUS, but if there is potential for a truly horrid Repugican candidate that Biden has no chance in beating, after listening to her speech in the WH portrait unveiling, hope someone can convince Michelle to run

 

[Fenixgoon]

A big hill to climb with enforcement:

Hundreds of Law Enforcement, Military Part of Jan. 6-Linked Oath Keepers: Report

Over 3,300 signed up for the far-right extremist group in Texas while New York State had the most law enforcement join, a new report says.

www.huffpost.com

Satire is too close to reality...

Every Member Of Police Department Excitedly Volunteers To Go Undercover In White Supremacist Group

BALTIMORE, MD—As the police chief expressed amazement over the general enthusiasm for receiving the assignment, every member of the Baltimore Police Department was reportedly excitedly volunteering Wednesday to go undercover in a white supremacist group. “I’ll do it! I would be so good at going...

www.theonion.com

 

[NWRMidnight]

Yes, but that part of PRA is almost certainly unconstitutional.

Is it unconstitutional? Isn't it based off of the 14th Amendment, section 3? Or would they have to prove the documents where given to a foreign government where it would classify as giving aid first?

 

[pmv]

Satire is too close to reality...

Every Member Of Police Department Excitedly Volunteers To Go Undercover In White Supremacist Group

BALTIMORE, MD—As the police chief expressed amazement over the general enthusiasm for receiving the assignment, every member of the Baltimore Police Department was reportedly excitedly volunteering Wednesday to go undercover in a white supremacist group. “I’ll do it! I would be so good at going...

www.theonion.com

Makes me think of the plot of "The Departed". Who's infiltrating who?

 

[NWRMidnight]

And also we really don’t want it so the currently elected government can disqualify potential rivals in this way because people like Trump would be the ones who used it.

Insurrection makes sense as you tried to violently overthrow the government you want to run. That’s about it though.

Actually, it's time all are held accountable, no matter the party. We can't be afraid to enforce laws because of what the other party might do. That's partially why we are where we are today because of that type of thought process and those in office not being held accountable.

The 14th amendment section 3 is supposed to be enforced 100% of the time, and such disability can only be removed by 2/3 of Both Houses in Congress. I believe the part of the PRA is just an extension on the 14th amendment.

Remember, the constitution gives full authority for Congress to enact Legislation. Which to me, means Congress can make laws that are built on the foundation of the constitution to protect the legitimatecy and integrity of our government. AKA, make laws to prevent corruption from infiltrating the highest positions in government.which Don the Con and many others have proven we have failed at. Which is why it's time they all are held accountable, and charged, regardless of their political affiliation. That has to happen before anything will change and integrity of our government restored.

 

[eelw]

Actually, it's time all are held accountable, no matter the party. We can't be afraid to enforce laws because of what the other party might do.

Well just the Dems. The other party will take advantage of anything

That's partially why we are where we are today because of that type of thought process and those in office not being held accountable.

Well the opposite party this time from above. Chicken shits the lot of them

The 14th amendment section 3 is supposed to be enforced 100% of the time, and such disability can only be removed by 2/3 of Both Houses in Congress. I believe the part of the PRA is just an extension on the 14th amendment.

Remember, the constitution gives full authority for Congress to enact Legislation. Which to me, means Congress can make laws that are built on the foundation of the constitution to protect the legitimatecy and integrity of our government. AKA, make laws to prevent corruption from infiltrating the highest positions in government.which Don the Con and many others have proven we have failed at. Which is why it's time they all are held accountable, and charged, regardless of their political affiliation. That has to happen before anything will change and integrity of our government restored.

That’s why I’m so confused when they are saying it’s a constitution violation against right to run for POTUS. So nothing done by congress is legal until amendment made to the constitution???

 

[woolfe9998]

Is it unconstitutional? Isn't it based off of the 14th Amendment, section 3? Or would they have to prove the documents where given to a foreign government where it would classify as giving aid first?

No, the 14As3 has nothing to do with stealing classified documents, or giving them to a foreign government. It only mentions being part of an insurrection.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Actually, it's time all are held accountable, no matter the party. We can't be afraid to enforce laws because of what the other party might do. That's partially why we are where we are today because of that type of thought process and those in office not being held accountable.

The 14th amendment section 3 is supposed to be enforced 100% of the time, and such disability can only be removed by 2/3 of Both Houses in Congress. I believe the part of the PRA is just an extension on the 14th amendment.

Remember, the constitution gives full authority for Congress to enact Legislation. Which to me, means Congress can make laws that are built on the foundation of the constitution to protect the legitimatecy and integrity of our government. AKA, make laws to prevent corruption from infiltrating the highest positions in government.which Don the Con and many others have proven we have failed at. Which is why it's time they all are held accountable, and charged, regardless of their political affiliation. That has to happen before anything will change and integrity of our government restored.

The problem with this is it depends on who is in power at the time. What can be used for good can be used for bad. The checks and balances only work if not everyone in power in all the branches are corrupt.

For example, while the constant division of House vs. Senate does feel like most of the time everything is stalemate over the years for actually getting anything done, it actually has worked to our advantage overall. Just imagine if it was all Trumpers in the executive, legislative, and judicial branches.....we are already closer than most would like.

That there were actually some GOP who stood up to Trump is a relief, but it is scary as hell that so many were and are putting party/position over country.

 

[NWRMidnight]

No, the 14As3 has nothing to do with stealing classified documents, or giving them to a foreign government. It only mentions being part of an insurrection.

Go read the 14As3 again.. it says more than just an insurrection, which that language would have everything to do with giving them to a foreign government, or don't you consider that giving aid to an enemy?

 

[woolfe9998]

Go read the 14As3 again.. it says more than just an insurrection, which that language would have everything to do with giving them to a foreign government, or don't you consider that giving aid to an enemy?

You're right. Must have forgotten the phrase "or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." Though, as you say, they'd actually have to prove he gave classified intel to foreign governments, and so far as we know, there is no evidence of that as yet.

Funny thing is when another poster suggested that barring someone from office should be limited to insurrection, I replied by adding "treason" without remembering that it's already in 14As3. The phrase "giving aid or comfort to the enemies thereof" is also in Article III, section 3 as the Constitutional definition of "treason." So yes, 14As3 covers both insurrection and treason. Thank you for the clarification.

 

[soundforbjt]

This is scary: "Approximately 61 percent of Republicans said they'd support the former president if he were indicted, "

Republicans Want Donald Trump for 2024, Even if He's Indi...

Trump's "core support remains intact regardless of the results of the investigation," said Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist Institute for Public Opinion.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Indus]

This is scary: "Approximately 61 percent of Republicans said they'd support the former president if he were indicted, "

Republicans Want Donald Trump for 2024, Even if He's Indi...

Trump's "core support remains intact regardless of the results of the investigation," said Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist Institute for Public Opinion.

www.newsweek.com

Nope not scary.

You have to realize the Republican party doesn't support
- democracy
- laws of this country
- the constitution

What they do support:
- them winning at all costs
- inflicting as much pain and suffering as possible
- an all white nation

I don't know why people are in disbelief anymore.

It's as if you're on a hijacked plane and still hoping it isn't real.

 

[soundforbjt]

Nope not scary.

You have to realize the Republican party doesn't support
- democracy
- laws of this country
- the constitution

What they do support:
- them winning at all costs
- inflicting as much pain and suffering as possible
- an all white nation

I don't know why people are in disbelief anymore.

It's as if you're on a hijacked plane and still hoping it isn't real.

I mean scary as in how many of that 61% would probably also support a civil war.

 

[Indus]

I mean scary as in how many of that 61% would probably also support a civil war.

LOL

If you think it'll be blues and grays again.. you're dreaming.

Instead it'll be street gangs and posses of civilians lynching each other in their own back yard because they think they don't want em in their town.

And the most sophistication of weapons will be drones to scout and ambush.

Think about the Bosnian war.. or Antifa/ Pride Boys on steroids that's what's gonna happen. Basically round up anyone in your town and shoot em so the town is yours. You don't have to invade other states because supply lines and ammo are a problem.

Fully blue/ red states will have minimal lynchings since most of the states are almost homogenous in their beliefs.

Very different for swing states. They might have outright lynchings since even 5000 killed could tip the balance of the state one way or another.

 

[pmv]

LOL

If you think it'll be blues and grays again.. you're dreaming.

Instead it'll be street gangs and posses of civilians lynching each other in their own back yard because they think they don't want em in their town.

And the most sophistication of weapons will be drones to scout and ambush.

Think about the Bosnian war.. or Antifa/ Pride Boys on steroids that's what's gonna happen. Basically round up anyone in your town and shoot em so the town is yours. You don't have to invade other states because supply lines and ammo are a problem.

Fully blue/ red states will have minimal lynchings since most of the states are almost homogenous in their beliefs.

Very different for swing states. They might have outright lynchings since even 5000 killed could tip the balance of the state one way or another.

Probably be more like a scaled-up version of Northern Ireland circa the early 1970s.

 

[Lezunto]

I don't think the entire country will be like that when violence does get out of control.

And remember, states still have their National Guards, state police and there are myriads of sheriffs, their deputies and of course, city and rural town cops. It all depends on what sides who comes down on.

But rather than handicap the outcome of such confrontations, let's try to find to our way out of the morass.