It Looks Like Trump is Gearing up for a Presidential Run (2024).

[eelw]

Lol people in the party are actually thinking he should announce sooner now.

 

[hal2kilo]

Lol people in the party are actually thinking he should announce sooner now.

You know the old saying "Make grift while the irons hot".

 

[sportage]

Donald Trump at CPAC

 

[GoPackGo]

Not sure how Mr. I Plead the 5th will do now...

 

[Commodus]

Not sure how Mr. I Plead the 5th will do now...

This is certainly fodder for attack ads. If there's footage of Trump's deposition, the Dems just need to make an "I plead the fifth" supercut.

 

[hal2kilo]

This is certainly fodder for attack ads. If there's footage of Trump's deposition, the Dems just need to make an "I plead the fifth" supercut.

For 25 to 35 per cent of the people of this country it's a badge of honor now.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Not sure how Mr. I Plead the 5th will do now...

I could swear there's a quote from trump about pleasing the 5th

 

[eelw]

Of course he calls it a witch hunt as excuse on why he’s pleading the 5th

 

[Captante]

It could rally supporters who would have otherwise stayed at home. With that said, it might only have a limited effect. It'll only really help Trumpist candidates in the midterms... and a lot could happen to Trump by 2024. May be difficult for him to enjoy an outrage boost if he's in prison.

By the time 2024 rolls around most folks will have forgotten all about this incident on both side of the aisle.

The effect on the mid-terms is tough to predict right now with any certainty.

 

[Commodus]

For 25 to 35 per cent of the people of this country it's a badge of honor now.

Oh, I'm sure... I just hope ads like the ones I envision make sure that independent voters and the center-right don't join those diehards.

 

[Amol S.]

I really think there are only two people who would be one of the best choices for what Democrats need in 2024.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Beebe

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Shumlin

 

[Lezunto]

I also believe we on the Left are damaging ourselves with all these public predictions about Joe Biden doing this or Joe Biden too old for that.

Too many have come forward to just bury Joe Biden. While he is older, he's not a liar or a wanna-be dictator like Trump.

Biden will make up his own mind. He does not have to keep Kamala as his running mate.

If he wants to, then he needs to make sure she gets a lot more public speaking opportunities. Because she's practically invisible to the world. I know she's important behind the scenes in our eyes.

Personally, I think she needs to be showcased more.

 

[hal2kilo]

I also believe we on the Left are damaging ourselves with all these public predictions about Joe Biden doing this or Joe Biden too old for that.

Too many have come forward to just bury Joe Biden. While he is older, he's not a liar or a wanna-be dictator like Trump.

Biden will make up his own mind. He does not have to keep Kamala as his running mate.

If he wants to, then he needs to make sure she gets a lot more public speaking opportunities. Because she's practically invisible to the world. I know she's important behind the scenes in our eyes.

Personally, I think she needs to be showcased more.

I really lost any zeal for Joe with the flat footed response to the Roe vs Wade decision at the admin level. I think I was really upset at the time and said I could no longer support Joe. With the recent successes in legislation, and the fact I can't think of alternate person in the Democratic party that could fit in the demographic that could defeat a Republican candidate at this point, I'm staying with Joe. We need a united front going into these mid-terms. The Kansas vote, has told me that women are not going to take this shit lying down, and has been a gift to the Dems running in the mid terms.
Go Joe!

 

[Lezunto]

I strongly believe women's health issues should be decided by women, but whatever they decide is fine by me.

I am heartened by the vote in Kansas. All of us need to be, too.

 

[Captante]

Joe Biden is a good man and if he's ultimately the Democratic nominee (a near-certainty historically) in 2024 I will absolutely vote for him.

However I still believe that he's too old for a second term despite recent successes.

 

[Amused]

Every time I see this thread has been bumped I think, "oh fuck, he did it..." Only to be relieved he hasn't yet.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Joe Biden is a good man and if he's ultimately the Democratic nominee (a near-certainty historically) in 2024 I will absolutely vote for him.

However I still believe that he's too old for a second term despite recent successes.

I agree 100%. Not a huge Biden fan per se, but he's a good human being and generally does want to do some good for the country, even if I don't agree with him on every policy position. I sure would like him to be more progressive, but I get the political reality that you need some amount of "independent" voters who lean conservative, especially since it's all too easy for the rest of the right wing to yell communism/CRT/etc and scare white suburbanites into voting for shitty R candidates.

 

[JTsyo]

I could swear there's a quote from trump about pleasing the 5th

More than one.

 

[hal2kilo]

More than one.

Do you stroke it slowly at first?

 

[brycejones]

Do you stroke it slowly at first?

You move on it like a bitch. It just lets you do it

 

[woolfe9998]

You know how I keep saying that Trump can be banned from office under the 14th amendment, which specifies that anyone who has "engaged in insurrection or rebellion" cannot hold public office?

Well, that clause has never before been invoked, until today. When this guy was removed from his position as a county commissioner in NM by order of the court. Because he participated in the insurrection on 1/6.

New Mexico county commissioner removed from elected office for role in US Capitol riot

A New Mexico judge on Tuesday removed January 6 rioter and Cowboys for Trump founder Couy Griffin from his elected position as a county commissioner for his role in the US Capitol attack.

www.cnn.com

Any special reason this clause should apply to one who physically stormed the capital but not the man who organized and encouraged it?

 

[eelw]

Any special reason this clause should apply to one who physically stormed the capital but not the man who organized and encouraged it?

That’s what I don’t get. What’s the difference between the ban from this amendment to if he gets convicted for violation to the PRA and to if impeachment and removal happen. There’s always the argument that the constitution only has requirement that one is born in the US and over 37. Anything else is a violation to their rights.

 

[thilanliyan]

You move on it like a bitch. It just lets you do it

Grab em by the 5th?...

 

[thilanliyan]

Any special reason this clause should apply to one who physically stormed the capital but not the man who organized and encouraged it?

He's special, that's why. The odds of Trump facing any substantial punishment for all his multiple crimes are pretty slim IMO, considering the two-tiered justice system. I hope I'm wrong of course.

 

[woolfe9998]

That’s what I don’t get. What’s the difference between the ban from this amendment to if he gets convicted for violation to the PRA and to if impeachment and removal happen. There’s always the argument that the constitution only has requirement that one is born in the US and over 37. Anything else is a violation to their rights.

That is a non-argument, since this clause is contained in an Amendment to the Constitution. An Amendment to the Constitution cannot be unconstititional by definition.

So far as what is the difference between this and a criminal conviction - the latter does not bar you from holding office.

There would of course have to be a judicial determination before this could happen. Which is why during Trump's impeachment trial the dems considered whether they could get enough repugs to agree to a finding that Trump engaged in insurrection.