It Looks Like Trump is Gearing up for a Presidential Run (2024).

[alien42]

i am so conflicted about this. while Trump should be indicted, prosecuted and imprisoned for life, DeSantis poses an even greater threat and Trump will again bring out more anti-votes than DeSantis will.

 

[trenchfoot]

i am so conflicted about this. while Trump should be indicted, prosecuted and imprisoned for life, DeSantis poses an even greater threat and Trump will again bring out more anti-votes than DeSantis will.

The X factor being the base of the Repub party. Will they stick with Trump or not. Should be pretty interesting to see how DeSantis is going to convince the Trumper base that he's their New Messiah.

 

[woolfe9998]

Although I could totally see Trump trying to bargain using that, attempting to reach out to prosecutors or politicians offering to drop his campaign in exchange for not being indicted.

A deal which they couldn't possibly accept because acceptance of such a deal would prove the prosecution was "politically motivated" to begin with.

 

[pmv]

i am so conflicted about this. while Trump should be indicted, prosecuted and imprisoned for life, DeSantis poses an even greater threat and Trump will again bring out more anti-votes than DeSantis will.

A case of "better the devil you know", I guess. Trump would surely be easier to beat than a stealth-fascist candidate?

 

[woolfe9998]

A case of "better the devil you know", I guess. Trump would surely be easier to beat than a stealth-fascist candidate?

I'd rather go with the devil we don't know. Because the devil we know is going to end democracy in the US. If he's elected, the first thing he's going to do is settle scores. We'll see the press being prosecuted, possibly losing broadcasting licenses. Trump critics jailed on "Trumped up" charges. Congress made irrelevant as Trump illegally expands executive power. Fake "emergencies" declared. It's a guarenty.

With DeSantis, it isn't a guarenty. I know people see him as a smart version of Trump, but I doubt he has the temperment of Trump because practically no one does. Trump will act on personal grudges, do incredibly foolish things which are dangerous and damaging to the country because he has the temperment of a child.

Even if DeSantis turns out to be our first fascist dictator, it's no different because Trump is guarenteed to be anyway. So I'd rather roll the dice on DeSantis, or frankly, anyone but Trump.

 

[cytg111]

Yea and the calculus is that if Trump wins the nomination DeSantis will get in line.. If DeSantis wins Trump will likely take his base and fuck off making it impossible for DeSantis to take 2024 (unless gqp use the coup levers they’re installing right now)

 

[pmv]

I'd rather go with the devil we don't know. Because the devil we know is going to end democracy in the US. If he's elected, the first thing he's going to do is settle scores. We'll see the press being prosecuted, possibly losing broadcasting licenses. Trump critics jailed on "Trumped up" charges. Congress made irrelevant as Trump illegally expands executive power. Fake "emergencies" declared. It's a guarenty.

With DeSantis, it isn't a guarenty. I know people see him as a smart version of Trump, but I doubt he has the temperment of Trump because practically no one does. Trump will act on personal grudges, do incredibly foolish things which are dangerous and damaging to the country because he has the temperment of a child.

Even if DeSantis turns out to be our first fascist dictator, it's no different because Trump is guarenteed to be anyway. So I'd rather roll the dice on DeSantis, or frankly, anyone but Trump.

Well, FWIW, my point is just that as Trump is a known quantity, he may be easier to defeat as a candidate. The evidence is he motivates people to vote against him at least as much as he motivates his supporters to vote for him. Another Republican could be just as bad but make it to the Whitehouse thanks to voter apathy or bothsides disillusionment.

Arguably it's a high-stakes all-or-nothing situation, given Trump's behaviour.

In the same spirit I think I'd rather the Tories stuck with Boris Johnson than pulling the trick they've pulled many times before of changing leader and convincing everyone it's a completely new government that can't be held responsible for everything they've done in power up till now.

 

[igor_kavinski]

DeSantis poses an even greater threat

He's obsessive compulsive and loves money. Could wreak havoc trying to correct the economy with "reforms".

 

[woolfe9998]

Well, FWIW, my point is just that as Trump is a known quantity, he may be easier to defeat as a candidate. The evidence is he motivates people to vote against him at least as much as he motivates his supporters to vote for him. Another Republican could be just as bad but make it to the Whitehouse thanks to voter apathy or bothsides disillusionment.

Arguably it's a high-stakes all-or-nothing situation, given Trump's behaviour.

In the same spirit I think I'd rather the Tories stuck with Boris Johnson than pulling the trick they've pulled many times before of changing leader and convincing everyone it's a completely new government that can't be held responsible for everything they've done in power up till now.

I agree that DeSantis could be a tougher opponent in the election than Trump. I'd still rather see DeSantis beat Trump in the primary. I just don't think we can risk Trump winning and become POTUS again.

 

[sportage]

Would be interesting if DeSantis won the nomination and Trump turned against. Actually, that battle would take place during the campaign and during the debates, and I can imagine Trump right now thinking about insults to use against DeSantis during those debates. Remember... Donald Trump does not see losing as an option, and if Donald Trump makes the effort to enter the race, then Trump will never give up even if that means destroying DeSantis and dividing the base.

DeSantis will run. DeSantis wants to run. But what about Trump?
What hold does Trump have on the party? And can that hold be maintained? And the wild card in this... we have no idea what DeSantis is capable of or how nasty of a campaigner DeSantis might be? Donald Trump is school yard bully, but DeSantis just might win against Trump using wits and not crudeness.
Trump, DeSantis, both will be very bad news for democracy if elected, but in the mean time just watching the cat fight will be entertaining.
Like Frankenstein vs the Wolf man, despite who the winner is the villagers will never the less be royally screwed.

 

[zinfamous]

i am so conflicted about this. while Trump should be indicted, prosecuted and imprisoned for life, DeSantis poses an even greater threat and Trump will again bring out more anti-votes than DeSantis will.

Best case is that Trump runs while under indictment and perhaps jumps independent if the GOP drops him or he loses the primary, and remains so up until election day, dividing all the fascist votes with DeSantis. Both lose, Trump in prison, the US ever so slightly becomes a better place to live (for a bit).

 

[igor_kavinski]

Both lose

Who wins?

 

[gothuevos]

I'd rather go with the devil we don't know. Because the devil we know is going to end democracy in the US. If he's elected, the first thing he's going to do is settle scores. We'll see the press being prosecuted, possibly losing broadcasting licenses. Trump critics jailed on "Trumped up" charges. Congress made irrelevant as Trump illegally expands executive power. Fake "emergencies" declared. It's a guarenty.

With DeSantis, it isn't a guarenty. I know people see him as a smart version of Trump, but I doubt he has the temperment of Trump because practically no one does. Trump will act on personal grudges, do incredibly foolish things which are dangerous and damaging to the country because he has the temperment of a child.

Even if DeSantis turns out to be our first fascist dictator, it's no different because Trump is guarenteed to be anyway. So I'd rather roll the dice on DeSantis, or frankly, anyone but Trump.

Agree with all this but it also begs the question: where the hell is Dem leadership on all this? Why are we stuck with Biden and the rest of the geriatric brigade? Where's someone with some fire in their belly to try to counter everything that's coming down the pipeline from the right? We're like deer in headlights here.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Agree with all this but it also begs the question: where the hell is Dem leadership on all this? Why are we stuck with Biden and the rest of the geriatric brigade? Where's someone with some fire in their belly to try to counter everything that's coming down the pipeline from the right? We're like deer in headlights here.

We had them in the last Dem primary, they were all deemed too controversial to win over Trump (by a different bunch of old people), so we got Biden.

 

[cytg111]

Would be interesting if DeSantis won the nomination and Trump turned against.

The only way that DONT happen is if they pay off Donald a sum about equal in quantity to what he’d be able to grift from that 20% that is his cult following… They would have to throw like 500 million after him and a dozen pardons.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I think Trump just likes being held in high regard. Make him King Of USA but don't give him any serious powers. Let him merry with his courtiers and go around the country making speeches and kissing babies. He should be content with that.

 

[Brovane]

Agree with all this but it also begs the question: where the hell is Dem leadership on all this? Why are we stuck with Biden and the rest of the geriatric brigade? Where's someone with some fire in their belly to try to counter everything that's coming down the pipeline from the right? We're like deer in headlights here.

I think some people thought it would be Harris. She could use her term as VP to build up her credentials for the top job and then Biden steps aside and declines to run in 2024 which opens the door for Harris to step in. However so far Harris hasn't really been seem to be making the case that she should be the next president. Her polling numbers are lower than Biden. Unless she can turn things around, her 2024 prospects don't look good. So who is on the bench for the Democrats? Governor Newsom? Governor Whitmer?

 

[Mai72]

The X factor being the base of the Repub party. Will they stick with Trump or not. Should be pretty interesting to see how DeSantis is going to convince the Trumper base that he's their New Messiah.

If Trump decides to run for POTUS, or any Republican contender for that matter, they will win. Especially if the economy heads south which is expected. Democrats are in serious trouble. The SCOTUS ruling on Roe vs. Wade could galvanize Democrats to vote. Only time will tell.

 

[Mai72]

I think some people thought it would be Harris. She could use her term as VP to build up her credentials for the top job and then Biden steps aside and declines to run in 2024 which opens the door for Harris to step in. However so far Harris hasn't really been seem to be making the case that she should be the next president. Her polling numbers are lower than Biden. Unless she can turn things around, her 2024 prospects don't look good. So who is on the bench for the Democrats? Governor Newsom? Governor Whitmer?

Harris wouldn't stand a chance and would be a very poor candidate. Newsome wouldn't stand a chance as well. What Democrats need is someone who is a moderate.

 

[fskimospy]

If Trump decides to run for POTUS, or any Republican contender for that matter, they will win. Especially if the economy heads south which is expected. Democrats are in serious trouble. The SCOTUS ruling on Roe vs. Wade could galvanize Democrats to vote. Only time will tell.

Predicting who will win a presidential election more than two years out is a fool’s errand.

 

[Mai72]

Predicting who will win a presidential election more than two years out is a fool’s errand.

True. We still have two years away. A lot could happen.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

What Democrats need is someone who is a moderate.

Democrats only ever put up moderates, which is why the country is constantly sliding right politically.

 

[HomerJS]

Would be interesting if DeSantis won the nomination and Trump turned against. Actually, that battle would take place during the campaign and during the debates, and I can imagine Trump right now thinking about insults to use against DeSantis during those debates. Remember... Donald Trump does not see losing as an option, and if Donald Trump makes the effort to enter the race, then Trump will never give up even if that means destroying DeSantis and dividing the base.

DeSantis will run. DeSantis wants to run. But what about Trump?
What hold does Trump have on the party? And can that hold be maintained? And the wild card in this... we have no idea what DeSantis is capable of or how nasty of a campaigner DeSantis might be? Donald Trump is school yard bully, but DeSantis just might win against Trump using wits and not crudeness.
Trump, DeSantis, both will be very bad news for democracy if elected, but in the mean time just watching the cat fight will be entertaining.
Like Frankenstein vs the Wolf man, despite who the winner is the villagers will never the less be royally screwed.

He could start with DeSantis being a rapist and murder since he thinks that about Mexicans.

Or because DeSantis is Mexican, he is incapable of doing his job

 

[SMOGZINN]

I agree that DeSantis could be a tougher opponent in the election than Trump. I'd still rather see DeSantis beat Trump in the primary. I just don't think we can risk Trump winning and become POTUS again.

I think it is important in this calculus is that we remember that Trump does not actually give two shits about the Republican party. He will be just as vicious in his attacks against his opponent in the primary as he will be in the general, and if he loses the primary he is very likely to sabotage the GOP winner just to prove that they should have chosen him. It could sink DeSantis' campaign. At the very least he will be fighting against a sizable portion of his own party.

 

[Mai72]

I think it is important in this calculus is that we remember that Trump does not actually give two shits about the Republican party. He will be just as vicious in his attacks against his opponent in the primary as he will be in the general, and if he loses the primary he is very likely to sabotage the GOP winner just to prove that they should have chosen him. It could sink DeSantis' campaign. At the very least he will be fighting against a sizable portion of his own party.

Trump is a delusioned ego maniac, which makes him a very dangerous man.