It is time sanders drops out.

[Brainonska511]

What on Earth are you talking about?

Are you referring to this so-called "riot" (LOL!) where only two cops were injured, a total non-news, non-issue, non-event - and you're implying this, somehow, has to do or comes from Sanders' campaign?

If that is so I would have the right to pick the most vile Neo-Nazi scum out there and claim this is part of Trump's campaign as well, same logic.

He's been running a very negative anti-Clinton campaign filled with innuendo as of late.

 

[dank69]

Thanks for proving my point. All you're saying is, Hillary isn't as awful as the Republicans.

Even if you try to paint Hillary as awful, which I think is a huge stretch, she isn't even in the same league of awful that any of the GOP candidates would be, especially when coupled with a GOP House and what could still remain a GOP Senate. If 4 more conservative judges on the Supreme Court is what you want, then by all means, people like you should stay home on election day.

 

[fskimospy]

On Ron Paul, that's probably true, but Sanders got darn close, and hasn't had to sell his soul to do it. Like I said above, I don't agree with a whole lot of things Sanders says policy-wise, but I'd certainly vote for him over most of the GOP field (certainly over Trump) just because I respect his character. Once in a while a great leader can transcend the policy issues and their inherent compromises and attract support by their vision and charisma. I never liked Bill Clinton, but he had charisma in spades. The GOP really hasn't had anyone like that since Reagan. Hilary just seems like a power-hungry puppet who will do or say anything to get elected and/or personally enrich herself.

I don't think Sanders ever got particularly close. If you look at his chances they were always very slim. At no time did he even crack a 20% chance.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/10/u...anders-but-the-prediction-markets-havent.html

I have to say that while Sanders' policy preferences are closer to my own than any candidate in a long time I really disliked his campaign and I thought it lacked character. He staked out positions that he knew were impossible and then ran on them using bad math. Basically, he seemed to be emulating the kinds of promises I see from GOP candidates. The Democrats have had the advantage of being the real world, technocratic party for a long time now, and it was a shame to see Bernie abdicate that for electoral advantage.

 

[soulcougher73]

Yeah, lots of upsets tonight. Sanders is done, raising taxes on everyone 10+% isnt going to sit well with people who actually pay taxes and have to essentially pay child support for kids who aren't even related to them.

Doesnt it get tiring failing so hard so often?

 

[nageov3t]

What on Earth are you talking about?

Are you referring to this so-called "riot" (LOL!) where only two cops were injured, a total non-news, non-issue, non-event - and you're implying this, somehow, has to do or comes from Sanders' campaign?

If that is so I would have the right to pick the most vile Neo-Nazi scum out there and claim this is part of Trump's campaign as well, same logic.

no, I'm referring to stuff like obsessing about the Wall St speech transcripts, implying that Clinton is corrupt, blaming her entirely for NAFTA, etc.

 

[BoberFett]

It's more like 'fuck math' from you, haha.

Sanders has to win all the states from here on out by an average of approximately 20 points in order to exceed Clinton's pledged delegate count. ALL OF THEM. That means nothing but blowouts starting tomorrow. Does that seem even remotely probable to you?

Are you trying to draw a distinction between "Bernie Sanders is obligated to drop out" and "Bernie Sanders would probably be smart to drop out"? If so, I doubt many people are making that distinction.

He is more than welcome to run all the way to the convention if he wants, that's his choice. If he goal was to win the nomination though, he's failed and so he can probably leverage his dropping out into some sort of concession. He would be smart to do this.

I'm sure Hillary fanatics such as yourself would love it if Sanders would drop out so she could claim some kind of mandate. Sanders needs to keep going just to show Clinton and the rest of the beltway scumbags just how tenuous their hold on the party is.

 

[BoberFett]

People like Sanders and Ron Paul who refuse to compromise are easy to like, but they are poor leaders. They have the luxury of knowing that they won't ever wield enough power to make them make those hard choices.

Bush was good at compromise. He only invaded Iraq instead of Iraq and Iran.

That's what you mean, right? I'm sure Hillary is your girl then.

 

[theeedude]

Sanders can't win in FL and OH. Kind of need those to win the presidency.

 

[BoberFett]

if Sanders lets up on his negative campaign, or focuses it on Trump instead of Clinton, I'd be happy to see him campaign right up to the convention.

but if he keeps up with the campaign he's been running hard with for the past couple weeks, all he'll be doing is turning off his supporters from eventually coming around to Clinton.

So he should just pretend that Hillary is not a hypocritical, flip flopping, bought and paid for corporate shill? Just to make you happy?

 

[Exophase]

He is more than welcome to run all the way to the convention if he wants, that's his choice. If he goal was to win the nomination though, he's failed and so he can probably leverage his dropping out into some sort of concession. He would be smart to do this.

Since everyone knows he has zero chance of winning what exact leverage would dropping out give him? What kind of concession are you imagining? Unless dropping out also comes with an endorsement or agreeing to be on Hillary's ticket (which I doubt she even wants) I don't see what it buys him. Maybe him dropping out would alone make people more eager to vote for Hillary in the generals but I have my doubts.

By staying in he at least gets people pushing his message and maybe some more debates, and maybe can have more of a presence at the DNC given more delegates representing him.

 

[echo4747]

I think it would be neat if Hillary got charged and Sanders won the nom as a result. But you don't get that big without more or less becoming impervious to the law.

Even if Clinton gets charged.. or even unexpectedly died ... I really doubt Sanders gets in. The Dem establishment will jam a new candidate ( maybe biden,gore) down the peoples throats. way way to much big special interest money they will never let Sanders become the nominee

 

[SP33Demon]

AFAIK you have to be making $250k+ per year to be affected, and it's not close to 10%.

Are you sure you're actually understanding of Sander's tax plan?

Sanders will raise taxes 10%+ on the middle class, that is a fact. 250K? Even more. Like I said, you cannot expect us to pay child support for kids that aren't even ours. The only ones who want that are the kids because they get free shit.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-senator-bernie-sanders-s-tax-plan

On a static basis, the plan would lead to 10.56 percent lower after-tax income for all taxpayers and 17.91 percent lower after-tax income for the top 1 percent. When accounting for reduced GDP, after-tax incomes of all taxpayers would fall by at least 12.84 percent.

Are you sure you understand his tax plan? The ostrich head in the sand is strong with some of you guys. Surely you didn't think you'd get off easy paying for the rest of the non-working class kids? I don't know about you, but I'm not paying child support unless it's my own kids.

 

[soundforbjt]

Sanders can't win in FL and OH. Kind of need those to win the presidency.

This, while I'd prefer to see Sanders as the nominee, if you can't win in Ohio and Florida, that's a big deal.

 

[Exophase]

Sanders can't win in FL and OH. Kind of need those to win the presidency.

Primary results aren't really a great predictor of what general election results would be.

Look at the turnout in OH: 1.19m voters in the Democratic primaries, vs 1.95m in the Republican. That's a huge gap. Just looking at that people might conclude that no Democrat has a chance in the OH generals. But OH is very skewed because Kasich ran and he's the sitting governor, who has pretty good approval among independents and even democrats. And getting Kasich to win in OH was an important strategic move in the push for a brokered convention, so you got a lot of anti-Trump people doing it. Chances are, a lot of the people voting for Kasich in the OH primaries would be voting for the democrat in the generals.

And if they were forced to vote in the democrat primaries instead I doubt Hillary would have had as much of a commanding lead. Because that would skew the percentage of black voters (who were almost never going to vote in the Republican primaries) down considerably.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Sanders will raise taxes 10%+ on the middle class, that is a fact. 250K? Even more. Like I said, you cannot expect us to pay child support for kids that aren't even ours. The only ones who want that are the kids because they get free shit.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-senator-bernie-sanders-s-tax-plan

On a static basis, the plan would lead to 10.56 percent lower after-tax income for all taxpayers and 17.91 percent lower after-tax income for the top 1 percent. When accounting for reduced GDP, after-tax incomes of all taxpayers would fall by at least 12.84 percent.

Are you sure you understand his tax plan? The ostrich head in the sand is strong with some of you guys. Surely you didn't think you'd get off easy paying for the rest of the non-working class kids? I don't know about you, but I'm not paying child support unless it's my own kids.

Wow, um, something about stones and glass houses come to mind.

 

[SP33Demon]

Doesnt it get tiring failing so hard so often?

Just face the facts, America's middle class doesn't want to pay 10%+ taxes in these tough times. That is why Sanders failed. And that's not even getting into the fact that Sanders based his campaign on PC race pandering and alienating his base which failed miserably. That strategy is one that will fail every time as a Dem.

Read this and you'll understand better.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/03/hello_again_reagan_democrats.html

If you want to see how race-based pandering is an electoral loser, look no further than across the political divide to Bernie Sanders' campaign. Sanders has made a career out of fighting for black causes and peddling the racist line at so much of American society, and yet the blacks have deserted him and are voting for Clinton in massive numbers. This strategy likely cost Sanders the nomination. White Democrats watched his race-baiting and concluded that while they might agree with him on economic issues, on social issues he was working against them. Suggesting your base is racist is not a great way to win votes.

 

[Mandres]

I don't think Sanders ever got particularly close. If you look at his chances they were always very slim. At no time did he even crack a 20% chance.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/10/u...anders-but-the-prediction-markets-havent.html

I have to say that while Sanders' policy preferences are closer to my own than any candidate in a long time I really disliked his campaign and I thought it lacked character. He staked out positions that he knew were impossible and then ran on them using bad math. Basically, he seemed to be emulating the kinds of promises I see from GOP candidates. The Democrats have had the advantage of being the real world, technocratic party for a long time now, and it was a shame to see Bernie abdicate that for electoral advantage.

Agreed 100%. Many of his policy ideas came off as just as impossible, in the real world, as Trump's wall.

Though I am reminded of an interview with Ron Paul, way back when, on one of the big talk shows. He was clearly uncomfortable being pigeonholed as the "do away with income taxes" kooky Ron candidate and wanted to discuss the history of our taxation system and some libertarian philosophy. They were having none of it, and kept cheering and chanting while he squirmed. I wonder if I'm dismissing Bernie too easily based on the sound bytes I've heard without really hearing his history or philosophy directly?

 

[flexy]

I know it in my guts that this election will NOT go as planned and flawlessly as some believe. We don't know what will happen, EITHER WITH HILLARY OR WITH TRUMP in the coming months. There is still time to go.

Hillary dropping out (or getting dropped out due to her past) is *possible*, so is that one major scandal or similar would make Trump drop out. Just wait the RNC deciding T. not being the nominee, lol. Or wait til Trump starts full force with attacking HRC, or vice versa.
I "predict" there can be major events between now and November and from that point of view it makes sense Bernie staying in there.

 

[dullard]

I don't know about you, but I'm not paying child support unless it's my own kids.

We'll just get Mexico to pay for it!

 

[Hugo Drax]

So he should just pretend that Hillary is not a hypocritical, flip flopping, bought and paid for corporate shill? Just to make you happy?

What surprises me is the frothing Hillary lovers fail to see any of this. Is this the best the Democrats have in the pipeline?

 

[BoberFett]

What surprises me is the frothing Hillary lovers fail to see any of this. Is this the best the Democrats have in the pipeline?

It seems the party's entire strategy for the last decade has been "Well at least we're not Republicans."

Wow. Be still my heart.

 

[soulcougher73]

Just face the facts, America's middle class doesn't want to pay 10%+ taxes in these tough times. That is why Sanders failed. And that's not even getting into the fact that Sanders based his campaign on PC race pandering and alienating his base which failed miserably. That strategy is one that will fail every time as a Dem.

Read this and you'll understand better.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/03/hello_again_reagan_democrats.html

That 10% tax increase is only on 250k or more. That isnt middle class.

 

[SP33Demon]

That 10% tax increase is only on 250k or more. That isnt middle class.

It's still around 10% at 8.57.

Distributional Impact

On a static basis, the Sanders tax plan would reduce the after-tax incomes of taxpayers in every income group. The bottom 50 percent of taxpayers would see their after-tax incomes decrease by at least 4.87 percent. The top 50 percent of taxpayers would see their after-tax incomes decrease by at least 8.57 percent. Finally, the top 1 percent of taxpayers would see their after-tax incomes fall by 17.91 percent.

That's just his initial estimate. We all know politicians lowball on their initial plans. It will be over 10 for us when it's all said and done.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

What surprises me is the frothing Hillary lovers fail to see any of this. Is this the best the Democrats have in the pipeline?

No, no it's not, nor were the gop candidates representative of the best they have, but Hillary is the one loaded in the chamber by the dnc. Bernie would be so, so much better than any other person running it's laughable.

 

[BoberFett]

No, no it's not, nor were the gop candidates representative of the best they have, but Hillary is the one loaded in the chamber by the dnc. Bernie would be so, so much better than any other person running it's laughable.

So when given a choice, why are the majority of Democrats choosing to go with the default option rather than the better choice? Are they easily led? Is it strictly name recognition? Just as gullible as Republicans? I've been reading sites like DailyKos a lot lately trying to figure that out, and honestly nothing seems to make sense.