It is time sanders drops out.

[pcgeek11]

Yeh, just like the superdelegates stole the nom from Obama in 2008.

Righties do love their bullshit.

Who said anything about that made up shit?

 

[Phokus]

No, Bernie should stay in to make the DNC make concessions to their platform when the convention happens (also forces Clinton to make concessions as well).

 

[pcgeek11]

Unless the superdelegates vote for Sanders (they haven't voted yet) or the voters themselves are at least 58.8% Sanders (in which case the Superdelegates are overridden).

Where does that come into play. I haven't read anything that mentioned that rule.

Got a link to share?

 

[Brainonska511]

Unless the superdelegates vote for Sanders (they haven't voted yet) or the voters themselves are at least 58.8% Sanders (in which case the Superdelegates are overridden).

That would be somewhat amusing to see: a scenario in which Sanders wins fewer delegates, but is installed as the nominee by Superdelegates, in spite of all the whining Sanders fans have made over Superdelegates this election season.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Yeah, lots of upsets tonight. Sanders is done, raising taxes on everyone 10+% isnt going to sit well with people who actually pay taxes and have to essentially pay child support for kids who aren't even related to them.

AFAIK you have to be making $250k+ per year to be affected, and it's not close to 10%.

Are you sure you're actually understanding of Sander's tax plan?

 

[Mursilis]

It'll be a shame with Sanders finally concedes. I have little in common with him on a number of policy issues, but I do think that, of the major candidates, he seems to have the most character and principles. All the others, both R and D, are just different versions of awful.

 

[BoberFett]

Come on guys, less than half of the Democrats have voted, but the election is over. Fuck democracy.

 

[Subyman]

AFAIK you have to be making $250k+ per year to be affected, and it's not close to 10%.

Are you sure you're actually understanding of Sander's tax plan?

Oh he's spouting off about the tax model used at taxfoundation.org. Just ask him about their model for Trump, it shows his plan will increase the federal debt by $10T. :thumbsup:

 

[nageov3t]

Come on guys, less than half of the Democrats have voted, but the election is over. Fuck democracy.

I mean, it doesn't take a crystal ball to project out.

if a guy got D's and F's on every single exam for the first half of the semester, and the only way for him to pass the course was getting perfect scores for the rest of the year, you'd have a safe bet assuming he's going to fail barring something completely unexpected.

for him to surpass Clinton's delegate lead, he needs to win at 58% in *all* remaining primaries, and that's including some extremely favorable Clinton states where she may even see blow-out victories (Maryland, Delaware, NJ, NY, DC)

 

[sandorski]

Bernie was crushed on Tuesday. No point to stay in other than to pee in the pool.

Will he drop out? Who knows, he was never really a dem, he's an army of one ideologue, peddling fantastical policies that will never get any broad support and are unworkable and deceptive as written.

Glad to see enough of the dem electorate is wise to the cliff's edge, whereas the GOP has decided to floor the pedal, take the hands of the wheel and put the fingers up in the air.

You mean the Policies that most of the First World uses?

 

[dullard]

Where does that come into play. I haven't read anything that mentioned that rule.

Got a link to share?

It is called "math", not a rule.

If at least 58.8% of the voter chosen delegates are voted to be for any candidate, then even if all superdelegates went to another candidate it isn't enough to override what the voters have done.

The superdelegates are a gentle push, because there aren't that many superdelegates. Even a relatively moderate 58.8% delegate count by one candidate will override them. Superdelegates can sway a close 51/49 type election. Or they more likely sway the types of elections that the GOP is in (if only the GOP had them) where it is quite possible that no candidate has a majority.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/superdelegates-might-not-save-hillary-clinton/

 

[BoberFett]

I mean, it doesn't take a crystal ball to project out.

if a guy got D's and F's on every single exam for the first half of the semester, and the only way for him to pass the course was getting perfect scores for the rest of the year, you'd have a safe bet assuming he's going to fail barring something completely unexpected.

for him to surpass Clinton's delegate lead, he needs to win at 58% in *all* remaining primaries, and that's including some extremely favorable Clinton states where she may even see blow-out victories (Maryland, Delaware, NJ, NY, DC)

So what?

 

[fskimospy]

Come on guys, less than half of the Democrats have voted, but the election is over. Fuck democracy.

It's more like 'fuck math' from you, haha.

Sanders has to win all the states from here on out by an average of approximately 20 points in order to exceed Clinton's pledged delegate count. ALL OF THEM. That means nothing but blowouts starting tomorrow. Does that seem even remotely probable to you?

 

[fskimospy]

So what?

Are you trying to draw a distinction between "Bernie Sanders is obligated to drop out" and "Bernie Sanders would probably be smart to drop out"? If so, I doubt many people are making that distinction.

He is more than welcome to run all the way to the convention if he wants, that's his choice. If he goal was to win the nomination though, he's failed and so he can probably leverage his dropping out into some sort of concession. He would be smart to do this.

 

[dank69]

It'll be a shame with Sanders finally concedes. I have little in common with him on a number of policy issues, but I do think that, of the major candidates, he seems to have the most character and principles. All the others, both R and D, are just different versions of awful.

Bullshit. Hillary isn't going to go starting new full-scale wars, and sure-as-shit isn't going to nominate a bunch of Scalia clones to replace him, Ginsberg and maybe even two others over the next 4-8 years.

 

[kage69]

Yeah, lots of upsets tonight. Sanders is done, raising taxes on everyone 10+% isnt going to sit well with people who actually pay taxes and have to essentially pay child support for kids who aren't even related to them.

The more you build up Drumpf, the more I can't wait to see your anguish in November. The tears will be delicious. lol, why pay child support when you can pay corporation support, right?

Sanders isn't done yet, but if/when he drops, so much for correcting the horrible policies and laws that keep our corrupt financial and electoral systems in place. Rave and jump about for your possible Pyrrhic victory all you want though, be proud of those low standards!

 

[Rakehellion]

How many times are you going to post this same thread?

Shit thread, shit poster.


Hillary will win though. She has a small but significant lead over Bernie and people on the Repub side will default to her just because they don't want Trump.

 

[Mursilis]

Bullshit. Hillary isn't going to go starting new full-scale wars, and sure-as-shit isn't going to nominate a bunch of Scalia clones to replace him, Ginsberg and maybe even two others over the next 4-8 years.

Thanks for proving my point. All you're saying is, Hillary isn't as awful as the Republicans.

 

[fskimospy]

Thanks for proving my point. All you're saying is, Hillary isn't as awful as the Republicans.

People like Sanders and Ron Paul who refuse to compromise are easy to like, but they are poor leaders. They have the luxury of knowing that they won't ever wield enough power to make them make those hard choices.

 

[nageov3t]

if Sanders lets up on his negative campaign, or focuses it on Trump instead of Clinton, I'd be happy to see him campaign right up to the convention.

but if he keeps up with the campaign he's been running hard with for the past couple weeks, all he'll be doing is turning off his supporters from eventually coming around to Clinton.

 

[flexy]

Bernie was crushed on Tuesday. No point to stay in other than to pee in the pool.

Will he drop out? Who knows, he was never really a dem, he's an army of one ideologue, peddling fantastical policies that will never get any broad support and are unworkable and deceptive as written.

Glad to see enough of the dem electorate is wise to the cliff's edge, whereas the GOP has decided to floor the pedal, take the hands of the wheel and put the fingers up in the air.

Working universal healthcare for anyone (what works in Europe for the longest time already) and ability to visit a good school WITHOUT your wallet being the deciding factor is "fantastical"?

Some of you guys don't even realize how extreme you have become.

You call univ. healthcare and equal education chances "fantastical" but are fine with the fact that someone just needs to be born wealthy, he/she automatically has access to the best, most expensive schools (because his/her family can afford them)..good career guaranteed for THOSE people, lawyers, judges, politicians ..a privileged Elite...NOT because they're smart, or good politicians or whatever..just because they have $$$ and power given at birth. And saying this is not right is "fantastical"?

You call his ridiculous "normal" ideas unworkable and deceptive...but you don't have a problem with a billionaire in a golden tower pretending he represents low-wage "working class" folks?

You know, the success of the current anti-establishment candidates, whether it be T. *or* Bernie are proof that folks are tired of old-fashioned politics and politicians. THOSE are the ones "deceptive". Where else do you think the general consensus among people comes from they actually FEEL betrayed and deceived, all across the spectrum? Hey, Sanders did NOT "deceive" them because Sanders hadn't ever be president

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Thanks for proving my point. All you're saying is, Hillary isn't as awful as the Republicans.

Considering how low that bar is set by the current crop of GOP candidates. ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

 

[Mursilis]

People like Sanders and Ron Paul who refuse to compromise are easy to like, but they are poor leaders. They have the luxury of knowing that they won't ever wield enough power to make them make those hard choices.

On Ron Paul, that's probably true, but Sanders got darn close, and hasn't had to sell his soul to do it. Like I said above, I don't agree with a whole lot of things Sanders says policy-wise, but I'd certainly vote for him over most of the GOP field (certainly over Trump) just because I respect his character. Once in a while a great leader can transcend the policy issues and their inherent compromises and attract support by their vision and charisma. I never liked Bill Clinton, but he had charisma in spades. The GOP really hasn't had anyone like that since Reagan. Hilary just seems like a power-hungry puppet who will do or say anything to get elected and/or personally enrich herself.

 

[flexy]

but if he keeps up with the campaign he's been running hard with for the past couple weeks

What on Earth are you talking about?

Are you referring to this so-called "riot" (LOL!) where only two cops were injured, a total non-news, non-issue, non-event - and you're implying this, somehow, has to do or comes from Sanders' campaign?

If that is so I would have the right to pick the most vile Neo-Nazi scum out there and claim this is part of Trump's campaign as well, same logic.

 

[Mursilis]

Considering how low that bar is set by the current crop of GOP candidates. ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

I've never denied that the current GOP crop is just plain dreadful.