Israeli settlers burn 1,500+ Palestinian olive trees

[Fern]

Originally posted by: magomago
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Originally posted by: kylebisme
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Well, then IMO pursuing the whole grand "Peace Process" is stupid at this point.

As usual the government fvcks it up again, got the cart before the horse. The basic stuff, such as simple functional policing/security and property rights, needs to be in effect before trying to tackle the 'glory problem'.

At the very least having these basic things accomplished would provide some belief in the competence of the governmnets involved and inspire trust - two things necessary I believe long before even trying to tackle a comprehensive peace settlement.

Fern

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Nebor

This forum is solidly in the "Pro Israel" column. Take this non-news elsewhere. :roll:

Based on the replies in this thread, you're reading challenged if you believe that. ALL Isrealis/Palestinians are not angels, and ALL Palestinians/Isrealis are not devils. There have been more than enough blind, hateful, inhuman attrocities committed by both sides. Both sides claim their crimes are committed in the name of dumbass deities, but the truth is, it's all in the name of political power, and every bit of it betrays the underlying human truths taught by their respective faiths.

Then, we have perverted turd side show freaks like lupi who have nothing to say and squander far too many words polluting the forums with their irrelevant hate for their own amusement. :thumbsdown: :|

There is more than enough hate in your partisan laced diatribes to match a couple dozen other posters. Once you and your ilk can move from being the problem to being part of the solution let us know.



And I do love the save the muslims from those racist turds angle you see going on here; let's just ignore the entire hopping on the anti-zionist bandwagon while doing so.



And I hate olives anyways; just need enough to turn into some good oil.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Fern
Well, then IMO pursuing the whole grand "Peace Process" is stupid at this point.

As usual the government fvcks it up again, got the cart before the horse. The basic stuff, such as simple functional policing/security and property rights, needs to be in effect before trying to tackle the 'glory problem'.

At the very least having these basic things accomplished would provide some belief in the competence of the governmnets involved and inspire trust - two things necessary I believe long before even trying to tackle a comprehensive peace settlement.

Fern

Sure, an Obama is on the right track by calling for a complete freeze on settlement expansion, though the question remains as to whether or not he will ever actually do anything of substance to work towards that goal.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Why doesn't this get any attention?

Probably because the olive trees didn't have friends and families or scream in terror as some assholes killed them despite their civilian status. You know, like human victims of suicide bombers do.

Has there been some recent outbreak of suicide bombings I've missed, or are you living in the past here?

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
One problem from Israel's POV is for the past 60+ years, the world has been against Israel and for the most part, supported her opponents.

If that POV had any basis in reality, Israel would never been allowed to exist in the first place, or would have been dismantled long since then. In fact, the world isn't against Israel itself, but rather only it's ethnic cleansing of the region which started in 1947, and it's ongoing disregard for Palestinian rights and militant denial of Palestinian sovereignty since then. And even while taking issue with such actions, the vast majority of the world has been treating Israel with kid gloves, particularly the US.

What every mistake may have been made in '47 by the world; they have atoned by being very condescending to the Arabs w/ regard to Israel since then.

In WWI, the Axis powers were severely hamstrung when they surrendered.
The same happened in WWII - the loser gets penalties and oversights.

After each of the conflicts - the Arabs lost nothing really except for their ego and land (conquered by Israel as a buffer zone).
After each of the conflicts, the Arabs promised to behave - we saw how that happened.
PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah also promised to behave after getting their tails handed to them when poking Israel - we have seen how such "governments" honored their agreements.

No one attempts to punish the PLO, Hezbollah or Hamas for their actions - it is only Israel that does so. The rest of the world honors their leaders at state dinners and UN receptions.

Why are the Arab countries allowed to skate from their doings; yet the world condemns Israel for standing up for itself?

The rest of the world "treats" Israel with kid gloves because they are afraid of what labels may be thrown at them - reminder of how they abandoned the Jays 70 years ago.
Some is also as a counterbalance against the Soviet doctrine which supported the Arab nations and their proxies.

The Palestinians (in general) hitched their wagons to the Arab side of the fence and have yet to unhitch them.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: magomago
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Originally posted by: kylebisme
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Well, then IMO pursuing the whole grand "Peace Process" is stupid at this point.

As usual the government fvcks it up again, got the cart before the horse. The basic stuff, such as simple functional policing/security and property rights, needs to be in effect before trying to tackle the 'glory problem'.

At the very least having these basic things accomplished would provide some belief in the competence of the governmnets involved and inspire trust - two things necessary I believe long before even trying to tackle a comprehensive peace settlement.

Fern

I don't think the PP is s a waste because its causing a lot of questions to be asked right now in the US that haven't been done in the past. More and more are waking up that it isn't just the PA that has skirted its obligations -- the Israeli Government does the same. It doesn't just skirt obligations, it actually takes things further and quietly engages in the exact OPPOSITE of what was agreed upon. That is my problem - that the PP, to many Israeli govts, is just a way to delay delay delay.
We can see this by looking at how the population has exploded since Oslo. who gains the most to benefit from a speedy, quick, and just peace agreement? It is the Palestinians. Who benefits the most from slow, stalling, stumbling peace agreements? Its the Israeli Govt, and the settlements are a perfect example of this.
From my view, it is the Israeli Population (loony settlers who believe that they can treat Palestinians not withstanding) that also gains the most from peace.

What I'm interested in not spending another 10 years to try to enforce simple rules that the Israeli Court has already ruled upon (like that wall). The longer we take, the more that settlers will work to steal Palestinian land and then claim it for themselves.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: magomago
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Originally posted by: kylebisme
-snip-

Well, then IMO pursuing the whole grand "Peace Process" is stupid at this point.

As usual the government fvcks it up again, got the cart before the horse. The basic stuff, such as simple functional policing/security and property rights, needs to be in effect before trying to tackle the 'glory problem'.

At the very least having these basic things accomplished would provide some belief in the competence of the governmnets involved and inspire trust - two things necessary I believe long before even trying to tackle a comprehensive peace settlement.

Fern

I don't think the PP is s a waste because its causing a lot of questions to be asked right now in the US that haven't been done in the past. More and more are waking up that it isn't just the PA that has skirted its obligations -- the Israeli Government does the same. It doesn't just skirt obligations, it actually takes things further and quietly engages in the exact OPPOSITE of what was agreed upon. That is my problem - that the PP, to many Israeli govts, is just a way to delay delay delay.
We can see this by looking at how the population has exploded since Oslo. who gains the most to benefit from a speedy, quick, and just peace agreement? It is the Palestinians. Who benefits the most from slow, stalling, stumbling peace agreements? Its the Israeli Govt, and the settlements are a perfect example of this.
From my view, it is the Israeli Population (loony settlers who believe that they can treat Palestinians not withstanding) that also gains the most from peace.

What I'm interested in not spending another 10 years to try to enforce simple rules that the Israeli Court has already ruled upon (like that wall). The longer we take, the more that settlers will work to steal Palestinian land and then claim it for themselves.

Could you help me out, I keep looking at my map and can't seem to find this place called palestine. In fact, opening one of my books and flipping through some pages I don't see any such thing for quite some time, seems not even when Isreal showed up.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Why doesn't this get any attention?

Probably because the olive trees didn't have friends and families or scream in terror as some assholes killed them despite their civilian status. You know, like human victims of suicide bombers do.

Has there been some recent outbreak of suicide bombings I've missed, or are you living in the past here?

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
One problem from Israel's POV is for the past 60+ years, the world has been against Israel and for the most part, supported her opponents.

If that POV had any basis in reality, Israel would never been allowed to exist in the first place, or would have been dismantled long since then. In fact, the world isn't against Israel itself, but rather only it's ethnic cleansing of the region which started in 1947, and it's ongoing disregard for Palestinian rights and militant denial of Palestinian sovereignty since then. And even while taking issue with such actions, the vast majority of the world has been treating Israel with kid gloves, particularly the US.

What every mistake may have been made in '47 by the world; they have atoned by being very condescending to the Arabs w/ regard to Israel since then.

In WWI, the Axis powers were severely hamstrung when they surrendered.
The same happened in WWII - the loser gets penalties and oversights.

After each of the conflicts - the Arabs lost nothing really except for their ego and land (conquered by Israel as a buffer zone).
After each of the conflicts, the Arabs promised to behave - we saw how that happened.
PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah also promised to behave after getting their tails handed to them when poking Israel - we have seen how such "governments" honored their agreements.

No one attempts to punish the PLO, Hezbollah or Hamas for their actions - it is only Israel that does so. The rest of the world honors their leaders at state dinners and UN receptions.

Why are the Arab countries allowed to skate from their doings; yet the world condemns Israel for standing up for itself?

The rest of the world "treats" Israel with kid gloves because they are afraid of what labels may be thrown at them - reminder of how they abandoned the Jays 70 years ago.
Some is also as a counterbalance against the Soviet doctrine which supported the Arab nations and their proxies.

The Palestinians (in general) hitched their wagons to the Arab side of the fence and have yet to unhitch them.

That is a one sided view-point CC...

I have 'i witness' accounts from family friends, one in particular, who have relatives in Israel/Palestine of absolutely crazy shit going down.

One of my friends, a surgeon, and a completely honest and honorable guy (US citizen), went to a wedding in southern Lebannon and during the wedding Israeli planes bombed the village... 10 minutes later the planes returned a strafed the streets with machine gun fire to murder people who were out in the streets. Why did Israel do this? Apparently this happens from time to time because Israel would be believe that some village or another was harboring Hamas or some other terrorist group. So they'd bomb it and then come back later when people are trying to clean up the wreckage or get wounded to a hospital and strafe the streets. Well this particular village that my friend was at was rather small and almost 100% Christian so it is highly unlikely that they would ever willing harbor Muslim terrorists.

My friend reported this to US embassy and they didn't want to hear about it... basically told him to get lost.

Bottom line... Israel are terrorist too. There is no right side in this conflict.... but there is a side which has more guns and money. And Israel has the guns and money because of the US.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
After each of the conflicts - the Arabs lost nothing really except for their ego and land (conquered by Israel as a buffer zone).

As I've explained to you before, since the 1967 war millions of Arabs are denied civil rights under Israeli rule in what you absurdly label as a buffer zone. I say "absurdly" because Israel has since built settlements all across the West Bank, moving Israeli civilians closer to Palestinians rather than creating any sort of buffer zone.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
After each of the conflicts, the Arabs promised to behave - we saw how that happened.
PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah also promised to behave after getting their tails handed to them when poking Israel - we have seen how such "governments" honored their agreements.

No one attempts to punish the PLO, Hezbollah or Hamas for their actions - it is only Israel that does so. The rest of the world honors their leaders at state dinners and UN receptions

Why are the Arab countries allowed to skate from their doings; yet the world condemns Israel for standing up for itself?.

Can you please list whatever promises you are referring to here specifically and for what exactly are you claiming Arab countries are allowed to skate from? I'd like to compare whatever you are referring to with the obligations Israel has refused to live up to over the years and the privileges which are bestowed upon them regardless.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
The rest of the world "treats" Israel with kid gloves because they are afraid of what labels may be thrown at them - reminder of how they abandoned the Jays 70 years ago.

The world was shamefully slow to stand up to the Nazis ethnic cleansing and quest for " Lebensraum", but allowing Israel to get away with such though their own means is no way to remember that. Doing so particularly absurd when considering the effort Zionists of the period lobbied to block Jews fleeing persecution in Europe to anywhere but Palestine, and had encouraged the bigoted idea that Jews could not be loyal citizens of anything but a Jewish state over the decades prior.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Some is also as a counterbalance against the Soviet doctrine which supported the Arab nations and their proxies.

Yeah, the same idiotic doctrine that had us supporting monsters like Saddam.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
The Palestinians (in general) hitched their wagons to the Arab side of the fence and have yet to unhitch them.

The Palestinians as a whole were living in the region when Zionists set their sights on colonizing it to create an ethnic nationalist state for themselves, there has never been any way for Palestinians to pick which side of the fence they are on.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: lupi
Could you help me out, I keep looking at my map and can't seem to find this place called palestine. In fact, opening one of my books and flipping through some pages I don't see any such thing for quite some time, seems not even when Isreal showed up.

Check a library for better books, or at least look here.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Why doesn't this get any attention?

Probably because the olive trees didn't have friends and families or scream in terror as some assholes killed them despite their civilian status. You know, like human victims of suicide bombers do.

Has there been some recent outbreak of suicide bombings I've missed, or are you living in the past here?

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
One problem from Israel's POV is for the past 60+ years, the world has been against Israel and for the most part, supported her opponents.

If that POV had any basis in reality, Israel would never been allowed to exist in the first place, or would have been dismantled long since then. In fact, the world isn't against Israel itself, but rather only it's ethnic cleansing of the region which started in 1947, and it's ongoing disregard for Palestinian rights and militant denial of Palestinian sovereignty since then. And even while taking issue with such actions, the vast majority of the world has been treating Israel with kid gloves, particularly the US.

What every mistake may have been made in '47 by the world; they have atoned by being very condescending to the Arabs w/ regard to Israel since then.

In WWI, the Axis powers were severely hamstrung when they surrendered.
The same happened in WWII - the loser gets penalties and oversights.

After each of the conflicts - the Arabs lost nothing really except for their ego and land (conquered by Israel as a buffer zone).
After each of the conflicts, the Arabs promised to behave - we saw how that happened.
PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah also promised to behave after getting their tails handed to them when poking Israel - we have seen how such "governments" honored their agreements.

No one attempts to punish the PLO, Hezbollah or Hamas for their actions - it is only Israel that does so. The rest of the world honors their leaders at state dinners and UN receptions.

Why are the Arab countries allowed to skate from their doings; yet the world condemns Israel for standing up for itself?

The rest of the world "treats" Israel with kid gloves because they are afraid of what labels may be thrown at them - reminder of how they abandoned the Jays 70 years ago.
Some is also as a counterbalance against the Soviet doctrine which supported the Arab nations and their proxies.

The Palestinians (in general) hitched their wagons to the Arab side of the fence and have yet to unhitch them.

That is a one sided view-point CC...

I have 'i witness' accounts from family friends, one in particular, who have relatives in Israel/Palestine of absolutely crazy shit going down.

One of my friends, a surgeon, and a completely honest and honorable guy (US citizen), went to a wedding in southern Lebannon and during the wedding Israeli planes bombed the village... 10 minutes later the planes returned a strafed the streets with machine gun fire to murder people who were out in the streets. Why did Israel do this? Apparently this happens from time to time because Israel would be believe that some village or another was harboring Hamas or some other terrorist group. So they'd bomb it and then come back later when people are trying to clean up the wreckage or get wounded to a hospital and strafe the streets. Well this particular village that my friend was at was rather small and almost 100% Christian so it is highly unlikely that they would ever willing harbor Muslim terrorists.

My friend reported this to US embassy and they didn't want to hear about it... basically told him to get lost.

Bottom line... Israel are terrorist too. There is no right side in this conflict.... but there is a side which has more guns and money. And Israel has the guns and money because of the US.

Israel has the guns - I suspect that the Arabs still have more $$ than Israel - they did not have it then.
The guns and money that they had initially was well overshadowed by what the Arabs had.

What they had for their first 30 years was the knowledge that if they lost they would not exist. They had no second chance for survival; unlike their opponents.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Why doesn't this get any attention?

Probably because the olive trees didn't have friends and families or scream in terror as some assholes killed them despite their civilian status. You know, like human victims of suicide bombers do.

Has there been some recent outbreak of suicide bombings I've missed, or are you living in the past here?

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
One problem from Israel's POV is for the past 60+ years, the world has been against Israel and for the most part, supported her opponents.

If that POV had any basis in reality, Israel would never been allowed to exist in the first place, or would have been dismantled long since then. In fact, the world isn't against Israel itself, but rather only it's ethnic cleansing of the region which started in 1947, and it's ongoing disregard for Palestinian rights and militant denial of Palestinian sovereignty since then. And even while taking issue with such actions, the vast majority of the world has been treating Israel with kid gloves, particularly the US.

What every mistake may have been made in '47 by the world; they have atoned by being very condescending to the Arabs w/ regard to Israel since then.

In WWI, the Axis powers were severely hamstrung when they surrendered.
The same happened in WWII - the loser gets penalties and oversights.

After each of the conflicts - the Arabs lost nothing really except for their ego and land (conquered by Israel as a buffer zone).
After each of the conflicts, the Arabs promised to behave - we saw how that happened.
PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah also promised to behave after getting their tails handed to them when poking Israel - we have seen how such "governments" honored their agreements.

No one attempts to punish the PLO, Hezbollah or Hamas for their actions - it is only Israel that does so. The rest of the world honors their leaders at state dinners and UN receptions.

Why are the Arab countries allowed to skate from their doings; yet the world condemns Israel for standing up for itself?

The rest of the world "treats" Israel with kid gloves because they are afraid of what labels may be thrown at them - reminder of how they abandoned the Jays 70 years ago.
Some is also as a counterbalance against the Soviet doctrine which supported the Arab nations and their proxies.

The Palestinians (in general) hitched their wagons to the Arab side of the fence and have yet to unhitch them.

That is a one sided view-point CC...

I have 'i witness' accounts from family friends, one in particular, who have relatives in Israel/Palestine of absolutely crazy shit going down.

One of my friends, a surgeon, and a completely honest and honorable guy (US citizen), went to a wedding in southern Lebannon and during the wedding Israeli planes bombed the village... 10 minutes later the planes returned a strafed the streets with machine gun fire to murder people who were out in the streets. Why did Israel do this? Apparently this happens from time to time because Israel would be believe that some village or another was harboring Hamas or some other terrorist group. So they'd bomb it and then come back later when people are trying to clean up the wreckage or get wounded to a hospital and strafe the streets. Well this particular village that my friend was at was rather small and almost 100% Christian so it is highly unlikely that they would ever willing harbor Muslim terrorists.

My friend reported this to US embassy and they didn't want to hear about it... basically told him to get lost.

Bottom line... Israel are terrorist too. There is no right side in this conflict.... but there is a side which has more guns and money. And Israel has the guns and money because of the US.

Israel has the guns and money now - they did not have it then.
the guns and money that they hadinitially was well overshadowed by what the Arabs had.

What they had for their first 30 years was the knowledge that if they lost they would not exist. They had nosecond chance for survival; unlike their opponents.

The first 30 years would put the timeline through 78, no? By that time we were supporting them in the UN, supporting then with money, and supporting them with arms. Before that it was 'just money' and we weren't the only nation financing Israel.

And I am not supporting the Arabs either... I agree 100% with what you mentioned earlier that Arabs are moreorless incapable of behaving themselves in a civilized manner and have time and time again failed to honor their promises. Moreover, in the earlier conflicts in which they got their asses kicked, they were the aggressor. They tried to wipe out Israel and got their ass handed to them.

I am simply stating that, in fighting a monster, I think Israel has, themselves, become a monster. The recent Gaza madness is evidence enough of that, i think.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Why doesn't this get any attention?

Probably because the olive trees didn't have friends and families or scream in terror as some assholes killed them despite their civilian status. You know, like human victims of suicide bombers do.

Has there been some recent outbreak of suicide bombings I've missed, or are you living in the past here?

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
One problem from Israel's POV is for the past 60+ years, the world has been against Israel and for the most part, supported her opponents.

If that POV had any basis in reality, Israel would never been allowed to exist in the first place, or would have been dismantled long since then. In fact, the world isn't against Israel itself, but rather only it's ethnic cleansing of the region which started in 1947, and it's ongoing disregard for Palestinian rights and militant denial of Palestinian sovereignty since then. And even while taking issue with such actions, the vast majority of the world has been treating Israel with kid gloves, particularly the US.

What every mistake may have been made in '47 by the world; they have atoned by being very condescending to the Arabs w/ regard to Israel since then.

In WWI, the Axis powers were severely hamstrung when they surrendered.
The same happened in WWII - the loser gets penalties and oversights.

After each of the conflicts - the Arabs lost nothing really except for their ego and land (conquered by Israel as a buffer zone).
After each of the conflicts, the Arabs promised to behave - we saw how that happened.
PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah also promised to behave after getting their tails handed to them when poking Israel - we have seen how such "governments" honored their agreements.

No one attempts to punish the PLO, Hezbollah or Hamas for their actions - it is only Israel that does so. The rest of the world honors their leaders at state dinners and UN receptions.

Why are the Arab countries allowed to skate from their doings; yet the world condemns Israel for standing up for itself?

The rest of the world "treats" Israel with kid gloves because they are afraid of what labels may be thrown at them - reminder of how they abandoned the Jays 70 years ago.
Some is also as a counterbalance against the Soviet doctrine which supported the Arab nations and their proxies.

The Palestinians (in general) hitched their wagons to the Arab side of the fence and have yet to unhitch them.

That is a one sided view-point CC...

I have 'i witness' accounts from family friends, one in particular, who have relatives in Israel/Palestine of absolutely crazy shit going down.

One of my friends, a surgeon, and a completely honest and honorable guy (US citizen), went to a wedding in southern Lebannon and during the wedding Israeli planes bombed the village... 10 minutes later the planes returned a strafed the streets with machine gun fire to murder people who were out in the streets. Why did Israel do this? Apparently this happens from time to time because Israel would be believe that some village or another was harboring Hamas or some other terrorist group. So they'd bomb it and then come back later when people are trying to clean up the wreckage or get wounded to a hospital and strafe the streets. Well this particular village that my friend was at was rather small and almost 100% Christian so it is highly unlikely that they would ever willing harbor Muslim terrorists.

My friend reported this to US embassy and they didn't want to hear about it... basically told him to get lost.

Bottom line... Israel are terrorist too. There is no right side in this conflict.... but there is a side which has more guns and money. And Israel has the guns and money because of the US.

Israel has the guns and money now - they did not have it then.
the guns and money that they hadinitially was well overshadowed by what the Arabs had.

What they had for their first 30 years was the knowledge that if they lost they would not exist. They had nosecond chance for survival; unlike their opponents.

The first 30 years would put the timeline through 78, no? By that time we were supporting them in the UN, supporting then with money, and supporting them with arms. Before that it was 'just money' and we weren't the only nation financing Israel.

And I am not supporting the Arabs either... I agree 100% with what you mentioned earlier that Arabs are moreorless incapable of behaving themselves in a civilized manner and have time and time again failed to honor their promises. Moreover, in the earlier conflicts in which they got their asses kicked, they were the aggressor. They tried to wipe out Israel and got their ass handed to them.

I am simply stating that, in fighting a monster, I think Israel has, themselves, become a monster. The recent Gaza madness is evidence enough of that, i think.

I agree - Israel may be growing into what itcurrently is fighting.

They still are fighting for their existance. their opponents have demonstrated that they want to attack Israel via its civilian population because any military confrontation would be disasterous (as demonstarted over the years). As long as there are attacks against Israel, there will be people that thrive on a tit-for-tat situation on both sides. Those types can not survive without the conflict.

Without strong leadership on both sides that can force an agreement upon the troublemakers, there is little chance of success and more destruction in an ongoing spiral.

To allow the troublemakers to dictate the terms of any pre-agreement is a no starter.

 

[SheriffA00]

After each of the conflicts, the Arabs promised to behave - we saw how that happened.
PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah also promised to behave after getting their tails handed to them when poking Israel - we have seen how such "governments" honored their agreements.

Lets remember who funded these groups to begin with. Israel funded the PLO, Hamas, and Hezbollah in order to divide and weaken the country. This was also by the US who funded the Taliban in the 70s.

 

[SheriffA00]

Could you help me out, I keep looking at my map and can't seem to find this place called palestine. In fact, opening one of my books and flipping through some pages I don't see any such thing for quite some time, seems not even when Isreal showed up.

Here is a map

http://palestinethinktank.com/.../03/17/palestine-1948/

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: JS80
:thumbsup: to the settlers. They are brave and heroic.

You are mentally ill.

 

[Nebor]

The Palestinians probably lit a couple of their own olives trees on fire, then drove them around to various locations to make it look like hundreds of trees had been burned. That's their style.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Nebor
The Palestinians probably lit a couple of their own olives trees on fire, then drove them around to various locations to make it look like hundreds of trees had been burned. That's their style.

Yea that's the sort of shit they do all the time...

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Nebor
The Palestinians probably lit a couple of their own olives trees on fire, then drove them around to various locations to make it look like hundreds of trees had been burned. That's their style.

Yea that's the sort of shit they do all the time...

LOL

Nebor, you're a hoot.

 

[SheriffA00]

Originally posted by: Nebor
The Palestinians probably lit a couple of their own olives trees on fire, then drove them around to various locations to make it look like hundreds of trees had been burned. That's their style.

I'm Palestinian, is that my style? How would you know there style? Do you know any Palestinians? Have you been to the region? Is all the information you receiving from US tv and US companies?

Travel outside of the US and see how the media changes how they report on the situation. I lived in the US my entire life and moved to the UK in Feb. The entire world except for the US is on the side of Palestinians. Check out news.bbc.co.uk for a more objective view. The US media paints the Palestinians as dumb terrorists. I can introduce you to many Palestinian doctors and lawyers in the US.

Please stop forming opinions of people, any people, from what you are told. Get a 3rd party point of view. This does not only pertain to the Palestinians but about everything you here on TV. Always consider the source of your information.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: Fern
Lot of 'stupid' in this thread.

The Israeli's displaced by their own forces had no cause to burn the Palestinians olive orchards. They should be held accountable and be forced to make restitution too.

Bashing Christians is stupid, they've got nothing to do with any of this, including posts here you don't like.

Fern

Yeah? Why not? Are they all gods children that can do no bad?

Get a life... I'll bash them when they need to be bashed. They are no different then "ANY" other organized religion. Now your gonna tell me when bush told em it was ok to bomb the crap out of these people the good christains didn't have anything to do with it? Wake up...

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: SheriffA00

Originally posted by: Nebor
The Palestinians probably lit a couple of their own olives trees on fire, then drove them around to various locations to make it look like hundreds of trees had been burned. That's their style.

I'm Palestinian, is that my style? How would you know there style? Do you know any Palestinians? Have you been to the region? Is all the information you receiving from US tv and US companies?

Travel outside of the US and see how the media changes how they report on the situation. I lived in the US my entire life and moved to the UK in Feb. The entire world except for the US is on the side of Palestinians. Check out news.bbc.co.uk for a more objective view. The US media paints the Palestinians as dumb terrorists. I can introduce you to many Palestinian doctors and lawyers in the US.

Please stop forming opinions of people, any people, from what you are told. Get a 3rd party point of view. This does not only pertain to the Palestinians but about everything you here on TV. Always consider the source of your information.

A word to the wise; you're unlikely to get anywhere in a serious debate with these people - all you'll do is make yourself angry. I personally rarely even try these days. The fact is their views are based on ingrained bigotry which can never be cured. We can only hope America will change as they slowly die out or become too old to excerise their influence.

/edit: and BTW, when you use BBC news, keep in mind they do have their own biases. Possibly less than any other news organisation but I wouldn't call them truly objective.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: SheriffA00

Could you help me out, I keep looking at my map and can't seem to find this place called palestine. In fact, opening one of my books and flipping through some pages I don't see any such thing for quite some time, seems not even when Isreal showed up.

Here is a map

http://palestinethinktank.com/.../03/17/palestine-1948/

good comic, needs a little more action.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: SheriffA00

Could you help me out, I keep looking at my map and can't seem to find this place called palestine. In fact, opening one of my books and flipping through some pages I don't see any such thing for quite some time, seems not even when Isreal showed up.

Here is a map

http://palestinethinktank.com/.../03/17/palestine-1948/

I bet 99% of the "injury" photos were caused by the palestinians themselves or is makeup.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: SheriffA00

Could you help me out, I keep looking at my map and can't seem to find this place called palestine. In fact, opening one of my books and flipping through some pages I don't see any such thing for quite some time, seems not even when Isreal showed up.

Here is a map

http://palestinethinktank.com/.../03/17/palestine-1948/

I bet 99% of the "injury" photos were caused by the palestinians themselves or is makeup.

I'll take that bet - how much?

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: SheriffA00

Could you help me out, I keep looking at my map and can't seem to find this place called palestine. In fact, opening one of my books and flipping through some pages I don't see any such thing for quite some time, seems not even when Isreal showed up.

Here is a map

http://palestinethinktank.com/.../03/17/palestine-1948/

I bet 99% of the "injury" photos were caused by the palestinians themselves or is makeup.

I'll take that bet - how much?

100,000,000,000 palestinian shillings (or $5)