Israeli settlers burn 1,500+ Palestinian olive trees

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: lupi
let this be a lesson, you lose at war means you really lose.

Supporters of Israel are all the same. No matter the issue at hand, the only points that REALLY matter to you are: 1. Israel won the war. 2. There are no such thing as Palestinians. 3. They need to go to Jordan because they're somehow more at home there than the land they legally own. 4. Settlements and settlers > *.

Jordan lost a war in 1967. Egypt lost a war in 1967. Those are indisputable historical facts that I'm quite certain we're all fucking familiar with, lupi. 4 million people did not lose a war. Israel became responsible for their fate when they took on the land (illegally under the Geneva Conventions) and they've done nothing but give us a beautiful 21st century reenactment of Biblical times.

I'd like to thank lupi and JS80 for successfully derailing this thread and making me forget that 1,500 olive trees were burned by residents of an illegal Israeli outpost that Israel itself considered illegal and demolished.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: lupi

I fully endorse all palenstinians moving to arab lands.

They're already on their own land. These Israelis are fucking terrorist turds. You're just a freaking tool. :thumbsdown: :|

speaking from experience again I take it.

Absolutely! I've had more than enough experience with YOUR posts to know you're full of shit.

there's a whole lot of german families that no longer own there property for nothing they did.

I give you Exhibit A. Thanks for proving the point. :thumbsup:

you're so full of your delusions of grandeur it's just sad. I'm sure those fucking Israelis terrorist turds in munich are glad for your concern.

Keep it up. You're just proving how LOOPY you are. What does Germany have to do with this... unless you're proud of Israelis becoming the same kind of evil as the German mobs that attacked them in nazi Germany.

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Supporters of Israel are all the same. No matter the issue at hand, the only points that REALLY matter to you are: 1. Israel won the war. 2. There are no such thing as Palestinians. 3. They need to go to Jordan because they're somehow more at home there than the land they legally own. 4. Settlements and settlers > *.

That's as bigoted and presumtuous as any presumption that all Palestinians, or all Arabs, or all Muslims are "all the same."

I'm just an American Jewish atheist (Jewish family background, but no religion). Personally, I think all religions are just political power structure based on fear and ignorance. Both religion and philosophy attempt to answer questions about the unknown, but at least, in philosophy, "I don't know." is an acceptible answer. The biggest problem is, those in power on all sides keep their hold on power by exploiting ignorance and hatred of "the other," those with other beliefs.

As far as Israel and Palestine go, those morons have to get beyond their respective histories and dogmas and figure out that the only way they'll survive is to recognize each others' presence in the world that exists, now and share it. Anything else is insanity.

I don't approve of radical Islam anymore than I approve of Jewish settlers extending their grasp on Palestinian lands, especially through terrorism.

We're stuck with a social mix that exists, now, that was imposed through acts of others beyond our current control, but the hassles go back centuries to biblical times. If Moses led the Jews to the land of Israel, the question remains regarding whoever was there before the Jews arrived. It doesn't matter who did what, when. All that matters is getting beyond the past and dealing with the humanity and the human beings that are there, now.

Religion was as good as it got for explaining the unknown... until the dawn of science, which is knowledge, which threatens religion because it enlightens people and dispells the ignorance that is the source of religious power. And I mean ALL religions. People are welcome to the comfort of their relgioius ignorance, but the are not welcome to declare any superiority of their ignorance versus anyone else's, and they are even less welcome to kill in the name of their ignorance.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Right..turn it around on Israel.

When a group wants to destroy the Jewish state of Israel, and thinks they have no right to exist, and fights a war and to this day launches terrorist attacks to that end, retaliation is only natural.

I see the obvious agenda you are pushing.

Pretty obvious to see yours.

I love the online IDF, you say anything not positive about Israel and a bunch of idiots crawl out of the woodwork to defend them.

Palestinians shoot a rocket at a illegal Israeli settlement? Terrorists, kill them all.
Israels shoot white phosphorous at civilians? They were simply defending themselves.

 

[miniMUNCH]

What we, US and Britain mainly, to the Palestinians in 1948 is beyond fucked up... but no one here seems to realize it.

Oh and all those wars that Israel won... they never could have done it without all the the money and weapons the US gave to Israel. Without the weapons, Israel would have been forces to be diplomatic. With the weapons they could do whatever the hell they wanted within the limits of what the international community would let them get away with.

The only problem is almost every time the UN tried/tries to pass a resolution against the actions of Israel, the US veto's it down.... good times.

But for the record mr Sheik, there are enough violent Palestinians crazies (Hamas for starters) that have done a lot of very wrong things and continue to do wrong things... that, in part, Palestinians really have themselves to blame first and foremost.

 

[lupi]

I don't know, why don't you ask the germans living in east prussia or silesia when you have a chance to go beyond your myopic views.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: lupi

I don't know, why don't you ask the germans living in east prussia or silesia when you have a chance to go beyond your myopic views.

I did. They said they have no interest in moving onto Palestinian land or burning their olive trees. They also said you don't know your ass from that hole you keep digging for yourself.

So, why don't you explain exactly what anyone in Germany has to do with vigilante Israeli assholes terrorizing Palestinian olive farmers? :roll:

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Right..turn it around on Israel.

When a group wants to destroy the Jewish state of Israel, and thinks they have no right to exist, and fights a war and to this day launches terrorist attacks to that end, retaliation is only natural.

I see the obvious agenda you are pushing.

Pretty obvious to see yours.

I love the online IDF, you say anything not positive about Israel and a bunch of idiots crawl out of the woodwork to defend them.

Palestinians shoot a rocket at a illegal Israeli settlement? Terrorists, kill them all.
Israels shoot white phosphorous at civilians? They were simply defending themselves.

Palestinian terrorist disguise their bases and uses civilians as cover. You cannot distinguish "civilians" from actual civilians with 100% accuracy, at least Israel tries and doesn't murder innocents on purpose.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: cliftonite

Originally posted by: lupi
I fully endorse all palenstinians moving to arab lands.

And leave their land? Why?

they are arabs. it's not their land. there is no such thing as a "Palestinian." lower case palestinians is what is used to describe arabs living in ISRAEL.

SO.. everyone alive has to bow to the rule of the Torah? Is that why Jesus was killed?

You are a drunk asshole

BTW.. Native Americans called and asked you to GTFO

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: lupi
I don't know, why don't you ask the germans living in east prussia or silesia when you have a chance to go beyond your myopic views.

I bet your silly God likes scummy humans like you - Notice asshole.. THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT said they were tresspassing .. and now scums like you who pray to some spaghetti monster think Terrorizing Innocent Humans is acceptable because you also bow to the Torah as above your Bible?

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: dahunan


BTW.. Native Americans called and asked you to GTFO

they lost too.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Palestinian terrorist disguise their bases and uses civilians as cover. You cannot distinguish "civilians" from actual civilians with 100% accuracy, at least Israel tries and doesn't murder innocents on purpose.

Which gets back to the point that there are terrorist assholes on all sides of the conflict whose objective is only to do as much damage as possible to the other side. Your example has nothing to do with this example of Israelis torching Palestinian olive groves, which is the topic of this thread.

ALL of the inhumanity on both sides has to stop. There is no, "who goes first." There is no, "but they did blah, blah, blah." There is only mutual excuses for continuing to inflict inhuman pain and suffering until everyone figures out how really stupid, wasteful and inhuman it all is.

Originally posted by: lupi

they lost too.

And the biggest loser is YOU! Fucking mindless, immoral, bigoted asshole. :thumbsdown: :|

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: dahunan


BTW.. Native Americans called and asked you to GTFO

they lost too.

You do call yourself a Christian.. right? I ask that as my stomach gives the urge to puke if true.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Palestinian terrorist disguise their bases and uses civilians as cover. You cannot distinguish "civilians" from actual civilians with 100% accuracy, at least Israel tries and doesn't murder innocents on purpose.

Which gets back to the point that there are terrorist assholes on all sides of the conflict whose objective is only to do as much damage as possible to the other side. Your example has nothing to do with this example of Israelis torching Palestinian olive groves, which is the topic of this thread.

ALL of the inhumanity on both sides has to stop. There is no, "who goes first." There is no, "but they did blah, blah, blah." There is only mutual excuses for continuing to inflict inhuman pain and suffering until everyone figures out how really stupid, wasteful and inhuman it all is.

Honestly, I'd be really happy if it all stopped. I believe the only reason have Israel in the contested lands is to act as a buffer between the terrorist base camps and the greater part of Israel.

I don't think the attacks will stop and I don't think the retaliation will stop. Honestly, I don't hold any hope that this will ever happen.

I support Israel's choices because I find them by and large to be more just. That is all there is to my view on this.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Harvey

And the biggest loser is YOU! Fucking mindless, immoral, bigoted asshole. :thumbsdown: :|

what's that phrase, you're tears feed me nomnomnom?

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: dahunan


BTW.. Native Americans called and asked you to GTFO

they lost too.

You do call yourself a Christian.. right? I ask that as my stomach gives the urge to puke if true.

the many christian scalps that were tossed around I'm sure will hear your concerns.

 

[n yusef]

Do the, "You lost the war," people see any moral authority behind that statement? Depending on your view of war, you may see theft as within the privilege of the victor. My question is: do you see it as within the her right as a moral actor as well?

From my perspective, "You lost the war," is an amoral argument (i.e., neither moral nor immoral; in this case, based on the "laws" of war), and as such, completely unpersuasive.

Do you disagree?

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Palestinian terrorist disguise their bases and uses civilians as cover. You cannot distinguish "civilians" from actual civilians with 100% accuracy, at least Israel tries and doesn't murder innocents on purpose.

You cannot drop 1,000lb bombs all over crowded civilian areas without murdering many innocents in the process.

As for the extremist settlers, note how the Israeli army assists them.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Palestinian terrorist disguise their bases and uses civilians as cover. You cannot distinguish "civilians" from actual civilians with 100% accuracy, at least Israel tries and doesn't murder innocents on purpose.

You cannot drop 1,000lb bombs all over crowded civilian areas without murdering many innocents in the process.

As for the extremist settlers, note how the Israeli army assists them.

In response to the first article..

"The rest of his family and friends are trapped in the middle of the bloody conflict triggered when Hamas fired rockets at Israel on December 27."

STOP FIRING ROCKETS!

The second one claims a "media conspiracy" and is a completely biased source, with ranting and raving about how bad they have it.

 

[halik]

The international community needs to build a dome a la Simpsons and let the idiots duke it out w/o any outside help.

 

[Red Irish]

Sad story, sad world, sad responses.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: Red Irish
Sad story, sad world, sad responses.

Roger that...

Loopi is a joke, but what can you expect from war monger, bible thumpers?

Personally, I think America should stay out of all of it, and let Israel fight it out with all the Arab nations. Maybe Iran was right? Then again, I could care less.

Obama already told Israel that they need to get off palestinian land, wait till they ask for our help again and again and again... The world will see what they have done but more importantly the Israeli people will see what their leaders have done.

Karma is a bitch.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: Red Irish
Sad story, sad world, sad responses.

Roger that...

Loopi is a joke, but what can you expect from war monger, bible thumpers?

Personally, I think America should stay out of all of it, and let Israel fight it out with all the Arab nations. Maybe Iran was right? Then again, I could care less.

Obama already told Israel that they need to get off palestinian land, wait till they ask for our help again and again and again... The world will see what they have done but more importantly the Israeli people will see what their leaders have done.

Karma is a bitch.

if I had my choice.. I would be sure that both Lupi the fake and truepaige the fake could not procreate and then might fell a lil betta.. o

 

[irishScott]

The whole situation is simply caused by stupidity on both sides. The Palestinians had their chance back in 2000, to which Arafat stupidly refused on the grounds:"the Arab leader who would surrender Jerusalem is not born yet". A year later, suicide bomber attacks hit Israel. And this is the man who won the nobel peace prize. :roll:

There are plenty of examples of Israeli stupidity as well, mainly that they seem to think building settlements is actually going to solve something. Last I checked Hamas was legitimately elected as the leadership of Gaza. Does that tell you how desperate these people are? Islam in general doesn't exactly have the best track record when it comes to surrendering. Let alone fanatical militant Islam. The more the Israelis pressure the Palestinians, the more desperate they'll get, the more militant they'll get, and it'll get to the point where Israel will basically have to wipe Gaza off the map to stop said attacks. The only way this will stop is a simultaneous stand-down. Good luck with that. :roll:

As for the collateral damage inflicted by the Israelis, it's actually quite impressive that they've inflicted as little as they have. Hamas deploying their militants around civilian targets notwithstanding, the Gaza strip has a population density of 10,665/sq mi That's 5x my county's density, and I live in a DC suburb.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: Red Irish
Sad story, sad world, sad responses.

Roger that...

Loopi is a joke, but what can you expect from war monger, bible thumpers?

Personally, I think America should stay out of all of it, and let Israel fight it out with all the Arab nations. Maybe Iran was right? Then again, I could care less.

Obama already told Israel that they need to get off palestinian land, wait till they ask for our help again and again and again... The world will see what they have done but more importantly the Israeli people will see what their leaders have done.

Karma is a bitch.

if I had my choice.. I would be sure that both Lupi the fake and truepaige the fake could not procreate and then might fell a lil betta.. o

Hah, then you might feel a little better? Glad that whenever people disagree with you, you think they should be sterilized.

Thanks for conveniently ignoring the history of violence that Palestinian terrorists continue to propagate. Or thanks for ignoring the fact that I'd like peace in the region for the sake of the greater populace on both sides, but like to actually hopeful for PLAUSIBLE solutions.

At least I can be civil, unlike you.

Why don't you grow up, you big child.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: dahunan


BTW.. Native Americans called and asked you to GTFO

they lost too.

Yep, the whole point of this exercise is to show that if you engage in genocide, you need to do an absolutely thorough job of it. If Nazi Germany had another 6 months, there would have been no Jewish state.

To be perfectly blunt, there's no difference between what we did to the Native Americans and what the Germans did to the Jews. Our genocide was conducted before modern media and we did a thorough job of killing them and hiding the survivors. The Germans didn't get either of those chances during WW2.