Israel: We Are At War

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raildogg

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Thank you China for trying to create Middle East peace while Israel and America destroy peace anywhere they go:


It is not easy in the Middle East but mature countries are trying. We know the US is not mature.
 

raildogg

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China trying to create peace between Shia Iran and Sunni Saudi Arabia? I am sure America is horrified by this since America is only focused on creating divisions in the world.


A little bit older news but still relevant.

If China can create peace between Iran and Saudi Arabia, can it also create peace between Israelis and Palestinians?

We know the US definitely cannot do it. Maybe China can try.
 

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Thank you China for trying to create Middle East peace while Israel and America destroy peace anywhere they go:


It is not easy in the Middle East but mature countries are trying. We know the US is not mature.
You’re going to be so mad when you hear about what Russia has been up to.
 

raildogg

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China showing leadership on world stage, something America lacks. It is willing to sit down and listen and talk and negotiate. So this means that the Palestinians and possibly Israelis can be brought together only if a country such as China does it, not America. Because we have seen American policy decisions usually lead to war and fighting. It is good to see China stepping up.

"Haniyeh stressed in the meeting “the need to quickly stop the aggression and massacres,” for the Israeli military to withdraw from Gaza, and “achieve the political goals and aspirations of establishing an independent Palestinian state,” according to a press release from the Hamas government media office. Chinese Ambassador to Qatar Cao Xiaolin was also present at the meeting, the statement said.

Haniyeh “praised the role played by China in the Security Council, the United Nations, and the International Court of Justice,” the Hamas statement said, referring to Beijing’s recent diplomacy related to the war.

Beijing has also used the war as a platform to showcase its solidarity with the Arab world and Global South, while positioning its views as in opposition to those of the United States.

Speaking to reporters in Beijing earlier this month, Foreign Minister Wang said the failure to end the humanitarian disaster in Gaza was a “disgrace for civilization” and he urged the international community to “act promptly to promote an immediate ceasefire as its overriding priority.”

“China supports Palestine’s full membership in the UN, and urges certain UN Security Council member not to lay obstacles to that end,” Wang said in a veiled swipe at Washington, which has backed Israel’s right to retaliate following Hamas’ terror attack.

China has also called for convening an international peace conference and setting a specific timetable for implementing a two-state solution.

Though it is unclear how much sway China has in the region to play a strong role backing such an effort, an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel is consistent with Beijing’s longstanding foreign policy. It was one of the first countries to recognize Palestine as a sovereign state in the late 1980s and has long advocated for a two-state solution.

American intervention in the Middle East creates only war it seems. I don't think any person can refute this, even the most pro-establishment person or pro-CIA person. You cannot say otherwise. I hope the Muslim countries grow some courage and hopefully with China's support, they can. We have already seen big deals and increasing trade relations between Middle Eastern countries and China so this means that China has more role there. If this role can bring peace to the region, that would be good for the world.
 

raildogg

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Establishing diplomatic relations between Shias and Sunnis is a good start! Great job China in doing that.

Keep in mind that the negotiations took place in Beijing last year between Iran and Saudi Arabia. A very big achievement for China.
 

raildogg

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So many trucks with food and aid are the border crossing between Egypt and Israel and the Israelis are not letting them in. Since America is a very hypocritical country and does not care about Palestinian lives, it is instead trying to build a port (probably because Israelis want this as well). So instead of forcing the Israelis to allow the trucks in immediately, the Americans are going to spend so much time building a port while Palestinians are starving and suffering so much. This is a very, very ridiculous situation and the US is a total joke.


So at this point it is very fair to say that America is endorsing and funding genocide of Palestinians along with their Israeli partners.

I am quoting Western media here so don't accuse me of bias:

"Angry Israelis cut across a field of stubble to try to get around a police blockade to disrupt shipments of food and supplies intended for Gaza."

America stands with far right ultra nationalist Israelis who are blocking aid to starving people.
 

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So many trucks with food and aid are the border crossing between Egypt and Israel and the Israelis are not letting them in. Since America is a very hypocritical country and does not care about Palestinian lives, it is instead trying to build a port (probably because Israelis want this as well). So instead of forcing the Israelis to allow the trucks in immediately, the Americans are going to spend so much time building a port while Palestinians are starving and suffering so much. This is a very, very ridiculous situation and the US is a total joke.


So at this point it is very fair to say that America is endorsing and funding genocide of Palestinians along with their Israeli partners.

I am quoting Western media here so don't accuse me of bias:

"Angry Israelis cut across a field of stubble to try to get around a police blockade to disrupt shipments of food and supplies intended for Gaza."

America stands with far right ultra nationalist Israelis who are blocking aid to starving people.

I will say you are as hypocritical as any nation you call hypocritical. Anybody who is Putin's stooge is just as bad.
 
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raildogg

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America stands with far right ultra nationalist Israelis:


Hey Joe Biden and Chuck Schumer, your words are empty and mean nothing. Meanwhile your Israeli friends are blocking tons of aid from going into Gaza and you are still yapping your mouth. This suffering of Palestinians can be heavily reduced if America forces the Israeli fanatics to simply let the trucks through but since America supports this policy as well, it won't. But it will talk endlessly about that stupid port because of public relations, image and fooling people into believe America cares about Palestinians.
 

raildogg

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Trump's son in law is very cheerful about ethnic cleansing of Palestinians so he and his Israeli friends can build waterfront property in Gaza.

 

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Great way to possibly endanger the lives of US citizens ...
Oh come on. You think these weapons manufacturing sites were uber secret locations that were suddenly exposed to the world in that post/article? That’s a laugh.

Public info. If they’re under some “threat” now, it’s not much different than threats to the same facilities over the last few decades.
 
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raildogg

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There is no way US can be a honest peace broker between Palestinians and Israelis because the US is too much influenced by Israel. There is so much deep relationship between these two countries that there is no way for there to be a fair deal for the Palestinian side. You can see for yourselves but here you can see a US congressman wearing an IDF uniform to a conference meeting:


So at this point, the Palestinians should realize that they cannot rely on the US for anything, especially a state of their own. Too much bias in favor of Israel in the US and this fact cannot be disputed.

Maybe China can get involved and try to negotiate a state for the Palestinians. It will make China be seen as the country who brings two conflicting sides together (and they already have a history of doing this). Also and much more importantly bring much needed relief and security to the Palestinians from the occupation they have suffered for many decades, thanks to Israel and America.
 

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There is no way US can be a honest peace broker between Palestinians and Israelis because the US is too much influenced by Israel. There is so much deep relationship between these two countries that there is no way for there to be a fair deal for the Palestinian side. You can see for yourselves but here you can see a US congressman wearing an IDF uniform to a conference meeting:


So at this point, the Palestinians should realize that they cannot rely on the US for anything, especially a state of their own. Too much bias in favor of Israel in the US and this fact cannot be disputed.

Maybe China can get involved and try to negotiate a state for the Palestinians. It will make China be seen as the country who brings two conflicting sides together (and they already have a history of doing this). Also and much more importantly bring much needed relief and security to the Palestinians from the occupation they have suffered for many decades, thanks to Israel and America.
you are really trying too hard.

no matter how much you post everyone knows you are a hypocrite on fucked up immoral wars and the oppression and deaths of civilians. You support Putin's illegal and immoral pet war in Ukraine that is causing suffering and death to millions, but don't like the one the US is supporting in Palestine via Israel.

Basically you don't care about anything immoral, you just care about what the US does and not Russia. A typical total hypocrite.

I do suspect there are people in this thread who support our support of Israel but not Russia's war, and they are as bad as you. But that doesn't make you any better. Y'all suck horribly.
 

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Oh come on. You think these weapons manufacturing sites were uber secret locations that were suddenly exposed to the world in that post/article? That’s a laugh.

Public info. If they’re under some “threat” now, it’s not much different than threats to the same facilities over the last few decades.

Never said they were "uber secret". But there's a reason that Raytheon doesn't have flashing neon signs on their facility reading "Tomahawks made here!!!". Any unnecessary attention is a bad thing.

Having witnessed this first hand for years after 9/11 I can say it also draws additional (already limited) Fed resources away that could be better used elsewhere.
 

Pohemi

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There's no Alex Jones ranting in this vid, just reading some of his commentary or social media posts.

Beginning of vid is NSFL. It's 18min long, but the first 5 is maybe the most focused if you don't want to watch all of it.

 
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It's a strange world where Alex Jones has more moral clarity about the murders of over 15k women and children among the over 30k dead from Israeli military actions than one Joe "Genocide" Biden. There is no morally valid choice for 2024 it seems.


All popular online posts about Israeli atrocities will have numerous comments underneath claiming that it didn’t happen, or that it was justified, or that it was good actually, or that it should be blamed on Hamas. Every single one, without a single solitary exception. No matter how strong the evidence is. No matter how horrific the atrocity.

This shows you that Israel apologists don’t care about truth or morality, and it shows you that they never have. All throughout Israel’s history they’ve been lying and manipulating the public narrative about what the Israeli state has been doing this entire time. That’s why they push so hard to get people de-platformed and censored and to get TikTok shut down: all they care about is controlling the public narrative, so they want to silence anyone who makes that harder for them.


I don't call them Israel apologists...
They are genocide apologists... it's ok if it is committed against the people who deserve it in their twisted minds.




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I have an extended family full of Israel worshippers, and they are not Jewish. They are Evangelicals that love Trump, and believe Israel can do no wrong and are the chosen people.

My young adult son, who like me is not religious, is a different story. He and his friends like many other young people see what's happening over there and are pissed. He has expressed interest in moving overseas partly due to this (I also am looking into it, though not so much for that reason.) Israel could very well see much less support from the US in years to come, they are planting the seeds for this now by their actions.

The US showed them the way--invade the wrong country after a terrorist action and kill a million people, help start the Islamic revolution. At the very least, Israel's genocide isn't the wrong country so I'll give them that. They seem quite a bit more bloodthirsty about it, though...scoreboard! Got a ways to go to top a million deaths, no matter if they are starvation or "clean" bombs dropped from miles away, in the end.

As far as China--they are interested in peace because that's how they make money. Their aim is to take over, eventually, and their way to do it is mostly economically. Not unlike the US.

Biden is in a tough spot. Lose the Jewish vote, lose the election. Lose the young vote, maybe lose the election since they helped in 2020. Israel will want Trump in office, because for as little as Biden is doing, Trump will do less. I'm a bit surprised that Trump would come out with a statement that is even a little critical of Israel, but I can't figure out that turd. All he has to do it sit back and watch Biden get hammered on the issue no matter what he does.
 
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"It is my solemn duty to report on the worst of what humanity is capable of and to present my findings," Francesca Albanese, the U.N. Special Rapporteur on human rights in the Occupied Territories, told the U.N. rights body in Geneva, presenting a report called "The Anatomy of a Genocide".

"I find that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating the commission of the crime of genocide against Palestinians as a group in Gaza has been met," she said, citing more than 30,000 Palestinians killed among other acts.
"I implore member states to abide by their obligations, which start with imposing an arms embargo and sanctions on Israel and so ensure that the future does not continue to repeat itself," she said, prompting a burst of applause...

 

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$100 says the US will defy/deny the findings right alongside Israel. If they didn't already.
 
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I have an extended family full of Israel worshippers, and they are not Jewish. They are Evangelicals that love Trump, and believe Israel can do no wrong and are the chosen people.

My young adult son, who like me is not religious, is a different story. He and his friends like many other young people see what's happening over there and are pissed. He has expressed interest in moving overseas partly due to this (I also am looking into it, though not so much for that reason.) Israel could very well see much less support from the US in years to come, they are planting the seeds for this now by their actions.

The US showed them the way--invade the wrong country after a terrorist action and kill a million people, help start the Islamic revolution. At the very least, Israel's genocide isn't the wrong country so I'll give them that. They seem quite a bit more bloodthirsty about it, though...scoreboard! Got a ways to go to top a million deaths, no matter if they are starvation or "clean" bombs dropped from miles away, in the end.

As far as China--they are interested in peace because that's how they make money. Their aim is to take over, eventually, and their way to do it is mostly economically. Not unlike the US.

Biden is in a tough spot. Lose the Jewish vote, lose the election. Lose the young vote, maybe lose the election since they helped in 2020. Israel will want Trump in office, because for as little as Biden is doing, Trump will do less. I'm a bit surprised that Trump would come out with a statement that is even a little critical of Israel, but I can't figure out that turd. All he has to do it sit back and watch Biden get hammered on the issue no matter what he does.
Well, it's in their fairytale story, so it has to be. Otherwise someone lied to them.
 
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More confirmation of the same in regards to what is happening.


"In October 7, Al Jazeera’s Investigative Unit (I-Unit) carries out a forensic analysis of the events of October 7, 2023, the day that transformed the politics of the Middle East. By examining hours of footage from CCTV, dashcams, personal phones and headcams of dead Hamas fighters, the I-Unit reveals widespread human rights abuses by Hamas fighters and others who followed them through the fence from Gaza into Israel.

But the investigation also found that many of the worst stories that came out in the days following the attack were false. October 7 is a deep dive into events that led to the deaths of tens of thousands of people, the significance of which will reverberate for decades."
 
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Philip Garibaldi, former CIA intel officer and counter-terrorism expert articulates what many of us now know about how Israel has been able to conduct itself over the years with regard to its relationship with the US. And how it basically manipulates it in doing its bidding in nearly any area it wants, no matter how detrimental it may be to US interests. The speech was made 10 years ago but is now even more relevant wih the Gaza genocide.

 
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Another State Dept official resigns over Biden's Gaza policy...

"For the past year, I worked for the office devoted to promoting human rights in the Middle East. I believe strongly in the mission and in the important work of that office. However, as a representative of a government that is directly enabling what the International Court of Justice has said could plausibly be a genocide in Gaza, such work has become almost impossible. Unable to serve an administration that enables such atrocities, I have decided to resign from my position at the Department of State.

Whatever credibility the United States had as an advocate for human rights has almost entirely vanished since the war began..."

 
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