Israel: We Are At War

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raildogg

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America is rewarding Israel for committing genocide and is sending $18 billion more in weapons so Israel can commit even more genocide. Maybe this time, America wants Israel to expand the war into other countries so America/Israel can kill more people:

Biden administration weighing $18 billion in arms transfers to Israel, sources say

This is why America is sending all these warplanes to Israel - these are not for the innocent starving Palestinians. These are meant so Israel can expand the war into other countries.

America's terrible foreign policy has no limits. I am sure it gave Israel the approval to illegal attack Syria and Iran by that very provoking attack. If Iran attacks Israel back, I am sure the Israelis/Americans will be complaining.

Thankfully, Iran has shown much restraint despite many, many Israeli and American provocations. We must not forget the illegal attack on Iraq by Trump which killed General Soleimani. And now Israel, with probably American approval, illegal attacks Syria and kills Iranian military leaders at the Iranian consulate. This is a direct attack on Iran by Israel, with American weapons and likely American approval.
 
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raildogg

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And why did Trump cancel the Iran nuclear deal?

The answer should be very obvious:

In recording, Netanyahu boasts Israel convinced Trump to quit Iran nuclear deal

“We convinced the US president [to exit the deal] and I had to stand up against the whole world and come out against this agreement,” Netanyahu says in the video. “And we didn’t give up.”

Now America/Israel are provoking Iran into expanding the war in the Middle East.
 

raildogg

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Americans are largely very ignorant of world affairs so it is easy to fool them. That's why Christian groups, right wing groups and many, many others think Israel actually helps America! Ridiculous people.

Look at these US military bases in Middle East - all open to attacks by Iran with its advanced missiles. So this means that Israel is a dangerous country for America just as much as it is for the entire world. Yet, America sends them endless weapons and endless money? Why is this?

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Now look at the Iranian missile range:

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So well within range of these bases.

By supporting Israel's genocide, America is putting itself as a lot of risk. Very ridiculous and dangerous foreign policy.
 

MrSquished

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Americans are largely very ignorant of world affairs so it is easy to fool them. That's why Christian groups, right wing groups and many, many others think Israel actually helps America! Ridiculous people.

Look at these US military bases in Middle East - all open to attacks by Iran with its advanced missiles. So this means that Israel is a dangerous country for America just as much as it is for the entire world. Yet, America sends them endless weapons and endless money? Why is this?

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Now look at the Iranian missile range:

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So well within range of these bases.

By supporting Israel's genocide, America is putting itself as a lot of risk. Very ridiculous and dangerous foreign policy.

As we see in this forum many people here are quite informed, including about this particular situation. It's you that is willfully ignorant by excusing Putin's atrocities but yet persecuting America, for which many of us here have acknowledged the sins going on here. You are just another russian bloc apologist dbag at the end of the day. Your very very selective moral outrage is just sickening at this point.
 

K1052

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All weapons exports to Israel should be halted immediately until such time as there is a government in power there that can rectify this situation and the total fucking disaster they are inflicting on millions without a care in the world. Indiscriminate violence is not something we have to condone let alone enable. We are under no obligation.
 

raildogg

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America can end Israel's genocide in a few hours but it chooses not to. This means the world should hold America and Israel as partners in genocide. Simple as that. There is no reason America is continuing to send more weapons to Israel but just to show that it can do whatever it wishes. Sort of like Israel, who also shows the world it can do what it wishes. Very similar countries these two.
 

MrSquished

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America can end Israel's genocide in a few hours but it chooses not to. This means the world should hold America and Israel as partners in genocide. Simple as that. There is no reason America is continuing to send more weapons to Israel but just to show that it can do whatever it wishes. Sort of like Israel, who also shows the world it can do what it wishes. Very similar countries these two.
Russia who has invaded plenty of innocent countries, including Ukraine right now. Who seized Crimea. Who radioactively poisons people on foreign soil. Sounds like a really shitty country that does a lot of what it likes to do. You Russian schmucks can just eat shit at this point.
 

K1052

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Russia who has invaded plenty of innocent countries, including Ukraine right now. Who seized Crimea. Who radioactively poisons people on foreign soil. Sounds like a really shitty country that does a lot of what it likes to do. You Russian schmucks can just eat shit at this point.

Conversely my opinion is that we should arm the Ukrainians so they can fight to the last Russian, if required. Short of nukes and like using Tomahawks on the literal Kremlin not a lot should be off limits.
 

blankslate

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First off Israel is someone who the U.S. should have influence over since we provide financial aid and weapons to their government... So their actions against civilians reflect on us.

Russia is an adversary run by a person who is imho surely a person who has had people unalived for political purposes.
However, in 2022 they were engaged in peace/ceasefire talks with Ukraine after their invasion. Guess who had those peace talks ended by proxy? Thus extending the conflict and resulting in more Ukrainian and Russian combatants killed in action.

I'll give you some time to research it.

additionally to disabuse anyone of the idea that Ukraine was in a state of no conflict until Russia fucked it all up...

Kiev was dropping artillery shells on areas of Ukraine.



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*edited to clean up some grammer misakes*
 

raildogg

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Israel, with full support of America, is trying very, very hard to now expand the war in the Middle East. This criminal act of attacking the Iranian consulate in Syria is designed so Iran will attack back and then America can use that as excuse to attack Iran - that is the goal of Israel and has been for many, many years. This is why Israel and its people have pressured the weak and immoral American government to cancel the Iran nuclear deal and to also wage economic war on Iran. This excludes all the other things Israel/America have done to Iran, such as killing their military leaders and nuclear scientists. The world has to see that Israel, with full support of America, is committing genocide and also trying to start a wider war. So at this point, if Iran does attack Israel, I am sure the hypocrite American government will condemn Iran or even attack it.

This might be one reason why America is going to now send Israel jets and bombs so this is further proof that America wants Israel to be a big bully in this region. These fighter jets will not be used against Palestinians (most likely) but rather against Israel's neighbors, who it has been attacking regularly for years - thanks to America. These F-15s, which have long range, might be useful for Israel to wage war on Iran and other countries. Thank you America, Israel can now not only commit genocide, but it can now brutally attack its neighbors too.


American politicians are regularly saying to nuke Palestinians or kill them all, etc. This is being shown to the world and hopefully the world can realize this is US policy towards Palestinians and others. Don't trust what they say otherwise - their actions are most important and their action say that they really want to nuke Palestinians. If you look at Gaza, it is like a nuclear bomb did go off. This port building is nonsense because it is approved by Israel, therefore this port will be of no help to Palestinians.

Israel wants to starve Palestinians so that is why they are killing aid workers. Israel wants to let humanitarian agencies and workers know that if they try to help and feed Palestinians, they will be targets. The blockage of many aid trucks at the Rafah border shows that this is the intention.
 
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Do not forget this that UNRWA, which America and its Western vessels have defunded, is very crucial to Palestinian life. This agency provides Palestinians with food, education and just a way to live life in harsh conditions, thanks to Israel's occupation. So now, it appears that the US and Western countries wants the World Central Kitchen to somehow fill this gap due to UNRWA not being able to operate like before - thanks to America largely. So, to make it short, Israel is now targeting and killing the group, WCK, that replaced the group that it actively wanted to defund - UNRWA! This is just pure cruelty and the US is allowing this.

Israel/America accuse UNRWA of supporting terrorists because maybe a few of its workers, under torture, revealed some connection to Hamas. This means that at the time the Palestinians need UNRWA the most, Israel/America uses very sneaky ways to undermine this very crucial agency.

Read this from BBC:

There are two major reasons WCK has become so instrumental in Gaza: its ability to distribute food and problems with UNRWA.

While large swaths of Gaza's population have relied on humanitarian assistance for decades, WCK quickly gained prominence largely as a result of opening its maritime corridor and its distribution network.


Meanwhile, UNRWA, the biggest UN agency operating in Gaza, has been pulled into a diplomatic storm, hampering its operations.

Israel has accused some of its employees of taking part in the 7 October attack and has said there was a Hamas tunnel under its local headquarters. The US and 15 other countries announced they would temporarily pause funding for UNRWA during an investigation, although Sweden and Canada have recently resumed payments.

WCK has been "helping to fill the void" left by UNRWA, said Khaled Elgindy, the director of the programme on Palestine and Palestinian-Israeli affairs at the Washington DC-based Middle East Institute.

"There's no real substitute for UNRWA at the moment," Mr Elgindy told the BBC. "But World Central Kitchen has become much more prominent in its absence."

"Now, there's literally almost nobody to distribute the little amount of aid that actually gets in," he added.



Israel is now attacking the very agency taking the place of UNRWA and this is deliberate. These attacks on the aid vehicles very deliberate and the US is the only country defending this terrible act.
 

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Do not forget this that UNRWA, which America and its Western vessels have defunded, is very crucial to Palestinian life. This agency provides Palestinians with food, education and just a way to live life in harsh conditions, thanks to Israel's occupation. So now, it appears that the US and Western countries wants the World Central Kitchen to somehow fill this gap due to UNRWA not being able to operate like before - thanks to America largely. So, to make it short, Israel is now targeting and killing the group, WCK, that replaced the group that it actively wanted to defund - UNRWA! This is just pure cruelty and the US is allowing this.

Israel/America accuse UNRWA of supporting terrorists because maybe a few of its workers, under torture, revealed some connection to Hamas. This means that at the time the Palestinians need UNRWA the most, Israel/America uses very sneaky ways to undermine this very crucial agency.

Read this from BBC:

There are two major reasons WCK has become so instrumental in Gaza: its ability to distribute food and problems with UNRWA.

While large swaths of Gaza's population have relied on humanitarian assistance for decades, WCK quickly gained prominence largely as a result of opening its maritime corridor and its distribution network.


Meanwhile, UNRWA, the biggest UN agency operating in Gaza, has been pulled into a diplomatic storm, hampering its operations.

Israel has accused some of its employees of taking part in the 7 October attack and has said there was a Hamas tunnel under its local headquarters. The US and 15 other countries announced they would temporarily pause funding for UNRWA during an investigation, although Sweden and Canada have recently resumed payments.

WCK has been "helping to fill the void" left by UNRWA, said Khaled Elgindy, the director of the programme on Palestine and Palestinian-Israeli affairs at the Washington DC-based Middle East Institute.

"There's no real substitute for UNRWA at the moment," Mr Elgindy told the BBC. "But World Central Kitchen has become much more prominent in its absence."

"Now, there's literally almost nobody to distribute the little amount of aid that actually gets in," he added.



Israel is now attacking the very agency taking the place of UNRWA and this is deliberate. These attacks on the aid vehicles very deliberate and the US is the only country defending this terrible act.
I'm not the most popular poster here at all, but I think that I speak for many of us when I say - STFU

I think. Even if I'm not speaking for anyone else, I'm still saying it :)
 

raildogg

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More on UNRWA - an agency the Americans and some of their Western puppet regimes want to defund. Though a few of these puppet regimes are changing their minds, maybe due to public pressure?! Who knows but American foreign policy of hurting innocents around the world continues. I know you people don't like this but I could care less about what you think.

Another report on UNRWA, by Electronic Intifada.

Immediately after the International Court of Justice’s 26 January ruling that Israel is plausibly committing acts of genocide in Gaza, Israel baselessly accused a handful of employees of the UN agency for Palestine refugees (UNRWA) of participating in the 7 October operation.
These allegations were based on confessions that were likely obtained under torture of Palestinian detainees. Nevertheless, the United States pulled its funding of UNRWA, prompting other countries to do the same.

Slowly, Canada, Sweden and Australia – among others – have restored their funding. But the United States, in a bipartisan effort, continues to refuse to resume funding the agency that provides a humanitarian lifeline to Palestinian refugees not just in Gaza, but also in the occupied West Bank, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon.

Israel’s current attacks on the agency are paradoxical, explains Lex Takkenberg.

It is intent on getting rid of an organization that actually relieves it of a major responsibility. As the occupier, Israel is mandated to provide aid to the occupied under international law.

Takkenberg is a senior adviser with the Arab Renaissance for Democracy and Development and a lecturer at the Institute of International Humanitarian Affairs at Fordham University.

For decades, he worked at UNRWA. He was the first chief of its Ethics Office and held various other positions there.

“What we now see is the effect of the extreme right-wing coalition that thinks, well, UNRWA is a manifestation of the international community’s permanent responsibility for the unresolved question of Palestine, including the refugee issue. And if we do away with UNRWA, that suits our Zionist agenda,” Takkenberg tells us on The Electronic Intifada Podcast.

He discussed the history and context of Israel’s attacks on the agency – and the various efforts over the last seven decades to thwart or prevent implementation of the right of return for Palestine refugees.

So what other creative way will America/Israel use to punish Palestinians? At the time when Palestinians most desperately need this group, America/Israel decide to defund it.
 

GodisanAtheist

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I'm not the most popular poster here at all, but I think that I speak for many of us when I say - STFU

I think. Even if I'm not speaking for anyone else, I'm still saying it :)

-Its not even that I actually disagree with his position vis a vis Israel, it's the blatant, unashamed, naked hypocrisy when it comes to Russia that blisters my balls.

Same with all the two faced jackals that decry the US' backing of Israel while making every excuse under the sun for Russia in Ukraine.
 

amenx

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Lying bastards.. only independent investigation can suffice, although doubt they would get any cooperation from Israel.

Israeli strikes that killed seven World Central Kitchen workers in Gaza earlier this week were “carried out in serious violation” of the military’s procedures and were a “grave mistake stemming from a serious failure due to a mistaken identification” of vehicles as carrying Hamas operatives, according to the findings of an Israeli military investigation released Friday. The aid group has emphasized that its convoy had coordinated its route with Israeli military officials...

 

GodisanAtheist

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Is anyone else suspicious the IDF investigated the WFC attack and concluded it so fast? I smell scapegoat. WFC is right and there needs to be an international investigation by a neutral party.

- Then again it sounds like WFC was basically providing them "targeting info" for their own people. With such open lines of communication it might actually be incredibly easy to track down where the breakdown in C&C happened.
 
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