israel levels an entire city within an hour

[JEDIYoda]

long for the day that humanity stops believing in a god.

That's not even close to being the problem...

 

[zinfamous]

That's not even close to being the problem...

OK.

whose land is it, and why?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Are you some type of ignorant dumbass?

lets see norseamd`s word as opposed to cabri.........I take cabri.....sorry norseamd....

 

[norseamd]

you really have no clue what you speak of.....I have lived in Israel as a child and have extensively traveled for the US Government in that part of the world going on over 30 years....

 

[Matt1970]

You are right - people who lost their land to illegal occupation should just sit there and take it.

So, if someone ever takes over your land, you will just let it happen. Good to know,.. where do you live again?

What do you think would have happened if the 6 day war went the other way? Be lucky that's all they took.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Hence your conflict of interest is very clear to all now.

you mean Borealis7 `s truthful factual opinion as opposed to your not actually having a clue?? You can`t be that dense to understands that the Palestinian people are their own worse enemy......well I guess you can be that dense!!

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

And your point is?

There have been all sorts of wars and stuff in the history books.

Should we be "nasty" to Germans, now ?

YOUR link, was something which happened a very long time ago.

At around the time of the second world war (which your link was approximately dated as), there were major changes around the world, which we have to now accept.

E.g. The creation of North Korea.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Well I agree that Hamas is not any representation of worth but this war is very much started by the Israelites.

so sad,,you are drinking the Hamas koolaid......

 

[JEDIYoda]

The Palestinians elected Hamas, therefore they deserve worse than they're getting. Fuck them, I have no sympathy

works for me!!

 

[WelshBloke]

What do you think would have happened if the 6 day war went the other way?

What difference or relevance does that have to the situation at the moment.

You can't keep 4 million people walled in in a smaller and smaller area and deny them a lot of basic freedoms without "bad things" happening.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I think the point of that statement was lost on you!

you have serious issues...

 

[JEDIYoda]

And then if your comment was even possibly true based off of any underlying point then why are the Israeli fundamentalist stealing the West Bank with illegal settlements?

ah trying to change the subject....when losing ground change the subject,,,divert...divert

 

[Victorian Gray]

so whats your point?

You unable to follow the thread?

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

What difference or relevance does that have to the situation at the moment.

You can't keep 4 million people walled in in a smaller and smaller area and deny them a lot of basic freedoms without "bad things" happening.

Ideally/really it would be best, if they (Palestinians/Israelis) could agree a long term peace agreement, and some kind of "free" Palestinian society (i.e. goods freely go in and out).

But while the Palestinians (Hamas) are launching attacks, and want to attack Israel, it is difficult to achieve a long term/permanent peace plan, and some kind of Palestinian state or solution.

 

[WelshBloke]

There have been all sorts of wars and stuff in the history books.

Should we be "nasty" to Germans, now ?

YOUR link, was something which happened a very long time ago.

At around the time of the second world war (which your link was approximately dated as), there were major changes around the world, which we have to now accept.

E.g. The creation of North Korea.

So you're saying that anything, say, pre 1950s is ancient history and needs to be forgotten?

I'm not sure there's many Israelis that would agree with you there.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Also to refer to the Jews as Israelis is probably wrong since it seems that nonjewish ethnicities and religions including Samaritans who are Israelis but not Jews are often discriminated against by the Jews.

That is another means of deflecting from your losing position......plus it would take way too much time to discuss how wrong that statement is and who is actually considered to be a Jew.....

 

[norseamd]

Maybe if jediyoda would just stop with all of his baseless vitriol that has no substance.

 

[norseamd]

So I take it jediyoda that you feel high and mighty because you can live off entitlement and never have to justify or substantiate your words or actions ever in life to the villein?

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

So you're saying that anything, say, pre 1950s is ancient history and needs to be forgotten?

I'm not sure there's many Israelis that would agree with you there.

It's not a 100% this or that, Black or White situation.

What I meant was that you can't say "such and such country attacked us 217 years ago", therefore we will fire 272 Iranian unguided missiles at the country in revenge.

After a war ends, we (the warring countries) need to get on again, and be friendly with each other (ideally).

History should not be forgotten, but (ideally) it should not be used as an excuse for modern day terrorist attacks against innocent civilians.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Who are you to talk about bias and propaganda?

ok..so lets settle this once and for all....
Have you ever lived in Israel?
Do you have family or property or both in Israel?
Have you ever talked with a Palestinian in the Gaza?
Do you have Palestinain friend in the Gaza?

You see unless you have been their this is one of those things where both sides believe it or not are both right.....the difference being the following --

-- Whose fault is it?
If it`s your father or uncle or brother who is firing those rockets into Israel..whose fault is it really?


Do you really expect the Israeli`s not to retaliate?

To understand this better we need to look at thee Hamas Charter...which even though the rook out article 10......their leaders as of 2012 had called for the destruction of Israel....
Yet even now the charter calls for the murder of Jews in general...

Hamas doesn`t care if they kill Israeli citizens...but they don`t care if Palestinian civilians die...for Hamas until recently having Palestinians die has been a huge public relations coup for Hamas!! To Hamas that is a win, win!!

It has been said that Israel is using a missile defense system to protect its citizens and Hamas is using it`s citizens to protect it`s missiles!

If Hamas had the opportunity or the weapons they would kill the maximum number Israeli`s they could....
Yet Israel has the opportunity to kill way more people and they do not.....

The Palestinian people have made some very bad choices of their own leaders and are victimized by their leaders...

Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005.....it`s not occupying Gaza.
Then the Palestinians elected Hamas in 2007!

Truth be told Israel doesn`t want to be in Gaza...Israel wants to take out tunnels and missle launchers and leave Gaza...

If Hamas truly cared about the Palestinians people they would have built underground shelters for the people and worked on building things the people needed......! Instead they divert food and building materials to build tunnels to smuggle and hide missile launchers...

 

[JEDIYoda]

Maybe if jediyoda would just stop with all of his baseless vitriol that has no substance.

That's the best you can do...you really have no right to claim you know anything first hand about that part of the world....

 

[WelshBloke]

After a war ends, we (the warring countries) need to get on again, and be friendly with each other (ideally).

The war has never ended there. The Palestinians have never been accepted there with the same rights as other Israelis.

History should not be forgotten, but (ideally) it should not be used as an excuse for modern day terrorist attacks against innocent civilians.

Should it be used as an excuse to steal more and more territory?

 

[norseamd]

The Scottish, Catalans, Kurdish, and Native Americans still want independence even after centuries have gone bye.

 

[norseamd]

That's the best you can do...you really have no right to claim you know anything first hand about that part of the world....

Your ignorant bias is so much amusing.

 

[JEDIYoda]

So I take it jediyoda that you feel high and mighty because you can live off entitlement and never have to justify or substantiate your words or actions ever in life to the villein?

Now your being an idiot.......
You have no idea about what I have done in life what schools I have went to...what sacrifices were made by my family.......you have no clue...

I find you quite the idiot to keep regressing with your diatribe in hopes of proving a point......

Everything I have and my family has we earned it and worked for it.......

Sorry that you really have no recourse other than to attack my way of life or my family........

There is no high and mighty...just somebody who has been there and done that and knows.

What I do know is that if Hamas was never elected there are many Jews/Israelis that believe there would be peace in that region of the world!!