Israel / Gaza Thread

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Duwelon
What exactly are you saying then? First you indicate you are not anti-Israel, railing against the West Bank settlements, now you're seemingly against Israel all together.

DO you support the existance of ISrael proper at all?

I firmly support the existence of Israel, any you have simply misunderstood me if you thought I have ever said anything to suggest the contrary.

I am simply against the ongoing colonization, just as I am against the terrorism of those being colonized, as both do nothing but perpetuate this madness and bring more bloodshed and hatred to both sides.

Do you understand that aside from the tiny strip of Gaza, the West Bank is the vast majority of what little of their homeland land Palestinians still hold rightful claim to?

You said earlier: "There was nearly a million Jews living peacefully all across Muslim lands prior to the State of Israel establish in 1948 after driving hundreds of thousands of Arabs off that land to colonize it. "

If you have an issue with Israel colonizing the west bank, then you have issue with Israel colonizing... Israel, correct? By your own words you fault the violence in Israel to the Israeli's colonization of the west bank, but you still cite the same hatred alive in the very existence of Israel proper. If the west bank became another state, by definition of your own words, violence against Israel would still be warranted.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Duwelon
What exactly are you saying then? First you indicate you are not anti-Israel, railing against the West Bank settlements, now you're seemingly against Israel all together.

DO you support the existance of ISrael proper at all?

I firmly support the existence of Israel, any you have simply misunderstood me if you thought I have ever said anything to suggest the contrary.

I am simply against the ongoing colonization, just as I am against the terrorism of those being colonized, as both do nothing but perpetuate this madness and bring more bloodshed and hatred to both sides.

Do you understand that aside from the tiny strip of Gaza, the West Bank is the vast majority of what little of their homeland land Palestinians still hold rightful claim to?

You said earlier: "There was nearly a million Jews living peacefully all across Muslim lands prior to the State of Israel establish in 1948 after driving hundreds of thousands of Arabs off that land to colonize it. "

If you have an issue with Israel colonizing the west bank, then you have issue with Israel colonizing... Israel, correct? By your own words you fault the violence in Israel to the Israeli's colonization of the west bank, but you still cite the same hatred alive in the very existence of Israel proper. If the west bank became another state, by definition of your own words, violence against Israel would still be warranted.

But then it wouldn't be Israel would it... that makes no sense...

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Duwelon
What exactly are you saying then? First you indicate you are not anti-Israel, railing against the West Bank settlements, now you're seemingly against Israel all together.

DO you support the existance of ISrael proper at all?

I firmly support the existence of Israel, any you have simply misunderstood me if you thought I have ever said anything to suggest the contrary.

I am simply against the ongoing colonization, just as I am against the terrorism of those being colonized, as both do nothing but perpetuate this madness and bring more bloodshed and hatred to both sides.

Do you understand that aside from the tiny strip of Gaza, the West Bank is the vast majority of what little of their homeland land Palestinians still hold rightful claim to?

You said earlier: "There was nearly a million Jews living peacefully all across Muslim lands prior to the State of Israel establish in 1948 after driving hundreds of thousands of Arabs off that land to colonize it. "

If you have an issue with Israel colonizing the west bank, then you have issue with Israel colonizing... Israel, correct? By your own words you fault the violence in Israel to the Israeli's colonization of the west bank, but you still cite the same hatred alive in the very existence of Israel proper. If the west bank became another state, by definition of your own words, violence against Israel would still be warranted.

Big surprise. Why don't you go troll on hellokittyislandadventure.com instead?

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
I understand your point on the west bank colonization, but the west bank and gaza are ran by 2 different governments.

Fatah and Hamas.

If only you did understand my point of view you would have know there is no reason to point out a fact I am well aware of.

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
those who are in the west bank are being ran by fatah and live in basic peace. if this conflict is because of the west bank colonization why arent they fighting and people not even in the west bank ( in gaza) are fighting for land their government group isnt even in control.

Because the West Bank is under strict Israeli military control, while Gaza is the only little strip of Palestine Israel has allowed Palestinians the freedom of movement to attack Israel from.

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
it doesnt make sense.

what does make sense is that fatah is peaceful with israel, israel lets them come in to work on israeli land.

hamas wants to take over israel, teach kids from young to hate jews, give them bad living standards and spend money of government on missiles and mortar shells.


what I think needs to happen is, wipe hamas ALL out of gaza, move in fatah, and over a couple of years it will get better. have some israel control of the area watching over, similar to how the US army is helping Iraq's government take over. and solve this conflict

Sure, you want Palestinians locked down and subjugated by Israel military occupation as they are in the West Bank, rather than running wild in Gaza like they are since Israel withdrew from there.

Of course that makes since to you.

You want Israel to continue colonizing the West Bank even though that actively denies Palestinians the right to an independent nation, and you don't have any interest in giving Israeli citizenship to Palestinians. either.

That leaves you with only a few options; kill them off, run them off, or keep them herded together and exploit them for cheep labor like they are cattle.

Sure, you picked the lesser of the those three evils, but that does nothing to change how horribly evil that choice is.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Duwelon
If you have an issue with Israel colonizing the west bank, then you have issue with Israel colonizing... Israel, correct?

The UN gave the partition plan boarders in 1947.

At Oslo Palestinians finally ceded their right to Israel conquered in 1948.

That is all Israel land now, by law. I take no issue with that.

That leaves Palestinians only holding rightful claim to Gaza and the West Bank.

For four decades Israel has built settlements all across the West Bank while keeping Palestinians pinned down and defenceless to stop it.

Originally posted by: Duwelon
By your own words you fault the violence in Israel to the Israeli's colonization of the west bank, but you still cite the same hatred alive in the very existence of Israel proper. If the west bank became another state, by definition of your own words, violence against Israel would still be warranted.

You obviously haven't been understanding my words, but rather twisting them around to justify Israel's ongoing colonization of the West Bank which has been perpetuating this madness for decades now.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Duwelon
What exactly are you saying then? First you indicate you are not anti-Israel, railing against the West Bank settlements, now you're seemingly against Israel all together.

DO you support the existance of ISrael proper at all?

I firmly support the existence of Israel, any you have simply misunderstood me if you thought I have ever said anything to suggest the contrary.

I am simply against the ongoing colonization, just as I am against the terrorism of those being colonized, as both do nothing but perpetuate this madness and bring more bloodshed and hatred to both sides.

Do you understand that aside from the tiny strip of Gaza, the West Bank is the vast majority of what little of their homeland land Palestinians still hold rightful claim to?

You said earlier: "There was nearly a million Jews living peacefully all across Muslim lands prior to the State of Israel establish in 1948 after driving hundreds of thousands of Arabs off that land to colonize it. "

If you have an issue with Israel colonizing the west bank, then you have issue with Israel colonizing... Israel, correct? By your own words you fault the violence in Israel to the Israeli's colonization of the west bank, but you still cite the same hatred alive in the very existence of Israel proper. If the west bank became another state, by definition of your own words, violence against Israel would still be warranted.

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

The UN gave the partition plan boarders in 1947.

At Oslo Palestinians finally ceded their right to Israel conquered in 1948.

That is all Israel land now, by law. I take no issue with that.

That leaves Palestinians only holding rightful claim to Gaza and the West Bank.

For four decades Israel has built settlements all across the West Bank while keeping Palestinians pinned down and defenceless to stop it.

You obviously haven't been understanding my words, but rather twisting them around to justify Israel's ongoing colonization of the West Bank which has been perpetuating this madness for decades now.

If you don't mind, lets keep the quotes going until they get too wide. You keep chopping up people's quotes in a way that leaves out parts of their argument.

I'm understanding you perfectly. You claim you support Israel proper to exist, but seem to take issue with the partition plan because it displaced "palestinians". There was no Palestine by the way.

Do you think there will be peace in the region if there is another state the non-jewish inhabitants of ISrael can call their own?

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Duwelon
What exactly are you saying then? First you indicate you are not anti-Israel, railing against the West Bank settlements, now you're seemingly against Israel all together.

DO you support the existance of ISrael proper at all?

I firmly support the existence of Israel, any you have simply misunderstood me if you thought I have ever said anything to suggest the contrary.

I am simply against the ongoing colonization, just as I am against the terrorism of those being colonized, as both do nothing but perpetuate this madness and bring more bloodshed and hatred to both sides.

Do you understand that aside from the tiny strip of Gaza, the West Bank is the vast majority of what little of their homeland land Palestinians still hold rightful claim to?

You said earlier: "There was nearly a million Jews living peacefully all across Muslim lands prior to the State of Israel establish in 1948 after driving hundreds of thousands of Arabs off that land to colonize it. "

If you have an issue with Israel colonizing the west bank, then you have issue with Israel colonizing... Israel, correct? By your own words you fault the violence in Israel to the Israeli's colonization of the west bank, but you still cite the same hatred alive in the very existence of Israel proper. If the west bank became another state, by definition of your own words, violence against Israel would still be warranted.

Big surprise. Why don't you go troll on hellokittyislandadventure.com instead?

I've never been to that site. How is it?

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Duwelon
If you don't mind, lets keep the quotes going until they get too wide. You keep chopping up people's quotes in a way that leaves out parts of their argument.

You aren't presenting arguments, you are just mischarcitersing my postion and then asking if I agree. As long as you insist on doing that, I will contenue quoting each missperasention you present sperately so that I may adress them each one at a time.

Originally posted by: Duwelon
I'm understanding you perfectly. You claim you support Israel proper to exist, but seem to take issue with the partition plan because it displaced "palestinians".

The UN partition isn't what displaced any Palestinians.

You obviously don't even understand the conflict, let alone me.

And again, I support Israel's right to exist, but I don't support their ongoing colonization of the West Bank.

Originally posted by: Duwelon
There was no Palestine by the way.

Do you think there will be peace in the region if there is another state the non-jewish inhabitants of ISrael can call their own?

I am certain region would be far more peaceful if only extremists like yourself could bring yourselves to affirm Palestine's right to exist, rather than supporting Israel's ongoing colonization of the West Bank which actively denies Palestinians that right.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Duwelon
If you don't mind, lets keep the quotes going until they get too wide. You keep chopping up people's quotes in a way that leaves out parts of their argument.

You aren't presenting arguments, you are just mischarcitersing my postion and then asking if I agree. As long as you insist on doing that, I will contenue quoting each missperasention you present sperately so that I may adress them each one at a time.

Originally posted by: Duwelon
I'm understanding you perfectly. You claim you support Israel proper to exist, but seem to take issue with the partition plan because it displaced "palestinians".

The UN partition isn't what displaced any Palestinians.

You obviously don't even understand the conflict, let alone me.

And again, I support Israel's right to exist, but I don't support their ongoing colonization of the West Bank.

Originally posted by: Duwelon
There was no Palestine by the way.

Do you think there will be peace in the region if there is another state the non-jewish inhabitants of ISrael can call their own?

I am certain region would be far more peaceful if only extremists like yourself could bring yourselves to affirm Palestine's right to exist, rather than supporting Israel's ongoing colonization of the West Bank which actively denies Palestinians that right.

I'm just trying to get you to answer on what you said earlier, your ascribing ignorance where there isn't any to dodge your own statement from earlier.

You said:

"There was nearly a million Jews living peacefully all across Muslim lands prior to the State of Israel establish in 1948 after driving hundreds of thousands of Arabs off that land to colonize it. "

Israel didn't start colonizing the West Bank until 1967. You saying you only have a beef with Israel being in the West Bank doesn't hold water. Before that, it was under Jordan's control. Why didn't Jordan give the land over to become it's own nation and why didn't the Arabs living there rise up against them? The answer: Because the people there didn't want it strongly enough (A) and they had no right to their own state (B) anyway.

The truth of the matter is that now that the west bank is under Israeli control, there is a much greater cultural diversity between Israeli Jew and West Bank Arab than there was between Jordanian Arab and the West Bank arab subset. So great in fact that groups like Hamas and Hizbullah have sprung up with such fierce hatred, they will take no concession for peace as long as Israel exists. Sadly, one side has to be wiped, either all groups that wage war on a daily basis against Israel, or Israel itself.

Israel has a right to exist as a nation, the arabs living in Israel don't. You argue that the West Bank should be it's own nation.. ok fine, but until the security of Israel can be gauranteed, there's no way Israel will give it up, short of some insane leader thinking he can make another land for peace deal. I think it will happen, don't get me wrong, but any peace that results from a 2 state solution will be extremely temporary and the killings and oppression we see in the West Bank now, if any, will pale in comparison.

 

[Lemon law]

If this Duwelon assertion that, "Israel has a right to exist as a nation, the arabs living in Israel don't" is what you think, then the Duwelon moral bankruptcy and bias is quite nakedly apparent.

Duwelon, you may have a right to an opinion, pardon us if most every fair minded person on the planet does not share your opinion.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: palehorse
My job is not based on "guesses." We use facts gained through first-hand exposure to the subject.

Go ahead, keep your dishonest head in the sand and keep hugging terrorists. I couldn't care less...

You argument here is based on guesses, and you are trying to slander me into not accepting your speculation.

And again, I condemn terrorists, Hamas or otherwise.

However, I don't let that dillude myself into believing things I have seen no proof of. Obviously you don't share such intellectual integrity.

Put simply, I wouldn't even trust you to clean my toilet.

You obviously missed -- ignored? -- the part about this subject being my job... I attempted to use the open source material that seems sufficient for most intellectuals to grasp the concept of human shields; but you have chosen to ignore the obvious and remain in denial.

"but... but... I don't see any children waving out the windows of those homes where the rocket cache was located, so I need more proof!"

All the while knowing that the mere proximity to the homes themselves is all the proof that is necessary... unless, of course, you believe that Hamas goes around knocking on doors and telling the residents to leave the area before they store or begin to launch rockets in their backyards. Is that it? Is that your next "theory"?

I told you, I don't work with theories in my day job; and, unfortunately, all I have to work with here is open source materials that are freely available on the interwebz. Even so, the truth should be obvious.

Hamas, Hezbollah, the Taliban, and a thousand other groups all receive the same training -- training that includes the use of civilian shields for tactical and propaganda purposes. Each of those groups has a proven track record doing just that.

Your bias is despicable...

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: palehorse
All the while knowing that the mere proximity to the homes themselves is all the proof that is necessary...

No proof is necessary at all if you want to belive something bad enough.

However, for all I know, Hamas keeps people away from of buildings they store their weapons in, and the few buildings I've seen video of them launch rockets and such near as well.

If you can present evidence to back your claims to the contrary, then I'd gladly join you in condemning them for as much.

Yet since it seems Israel can't publicly release conclusive proof despite how often they make the claim, I am left with no grounds to belive them.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
I understand your point on the west bank colonization, but the west bank and gaza are ran by 2 different governments.

Fatah and Hamas.

those who are in the west bank are being ran by fatah and live in basic peace. if this conflict is because of the west bank colonization why arent they fighting and people not even in the west bank ( in gaza) are fighting for land their government group isnt even in control.

it doesnt make sense.

what does make sense is that fatah is peaceful with israel, israel lets them come in to work on israeli land.

There are so many factual inaccuracies with your post, I don't even know where to start.

Number 1: Hamas is still the legitimately, democratically elected government of the Palestinian Authority. This is the ONLY democratically elected Arab government in the Middle East, and Hamas extended a truce offer for the return to 1967 borders and the dismantlement of the illegal settlements in the West Bank. Bushie chose to intervene (see text), and empowered Fatah to raise a coup against Hamas. Israel jailed all elected Hamas leaders in the West Bank. Hamas in Gaza is more powerful, so they held on there.

Those who live in the West Bank, on average, have maybe a few miles worth of freedom of movement. The vast majority of the West Bank is either Area C (Arab population, Israeli governed and IDF administered) or illegally settled by the Israelis. Fatah stole over one billion US dollars in foreign aid intended for the Palestinian people and are for all intents and purposes trying to administer a dictatorship over land they don't even "govern." Combine IDF occupation, with hundreds of checkpoints, and you have SCARED people.

Also, Israel closed all border crossings with the West Bank two weeks ago. My uncles that they so kindly let work in Israel are now without income and without work.

what I think needs to happen is, wipe hamas ALL out of gaza, move in fatah, and over a couple of years it will get better. have some israel control of the area watching over, similar to how the US army is helping Iraq's government take over. and solve this conflict

Yeah, let's empower the same scum that stole one billion dollars from the people they claim to work in the interest of to put in the pockets of cowards like Rjub, Dahlan, Abbas, and Erekat. Fuck them. The Palestinian people voted fuck them, obviously the smartest solution would be to put them back in power! Also, Fatah has yet to disband al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade. "The Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, military wing of the Fateh movement will not be dissolved and Fateh will never relinquish its military wing."(PA Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei, official PA website, June 21, 2004) Of course, this means nothing to most Israelis because the evidence of their collaboration with Israel and the US is damning; they shouldn't be allowed to govern the Palestinian people under the premise that they're an Israeli/US puppet regime. Listen to George Galloway go off on Fatah, I've yet to hear him say anything on that topic without factual evidence.

 

[JEDIYoda]

HAMAS MASTERS OF TRICKERY --

JERUSALEM: The grinding urban battle unfolding in the densely populated Gaza Strip is a war of new tactics, quick adaptation and lethal tricks. Hamas, with training from Iran and Hezbollah, has used the last two years to turn Gaza into a deadly maze of tunnels, booby traps and sophisticated roadside bombs. Weapons caches are hidden in mosques, schoolyards and civilian houses, and the leadership's war room is a bunker beneath Gaza's largest hospital, Israeli intelligence officials say. Unwilling...

Interesting..lol

 

[Lemon law]

Marie Antonette said let them eat cake instead and now Israel with all the tanks and planes expect Hamas to fight back with their planes and tanks and not use the natural advantages they have.

We were doing the same thing during our civil war, remember the midnight ride of Paul Revere.

And Jewish terrorists were doing the same thing before the formation of the State of Israel. The Jews did the same thing when the Nazi's tried to shut down the Warsaw Ghetto.

It always works that way in a basic Guerrilla war.

I do not think Israel has any room to talk when it comes to crying unfair.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Marie Antonette said let them eat cake instead and now Israel with all the tanks and planes expect Hamas to fight back with their planes and tanks and not use the natural advantages they have.

We were doing the same thing during our civil war, remember the midnight ride of Paul Revere.

And Jewish terrorists were doing the same thing before the formation of the State of Israel. The Jews did the same thing when the Nazi's tried to shut down the Warsaw Ghetto.

It always works that way in a basic Guerrilla war.

I do not think Israel has any room to talk when it comes to crying unfair.

This isn't really a valid comparison... If this were Guerrilla warfare, the war would be all about the battles raging in Gaza... but the battle wouldn't exist in Gaza if it weren't for the Rockets and Missles Hamas was shooting with the intention of killing innocent civillians.

I don't remember the minutemen attacking the wives and children of British soldiers... do you?
I don't even remember the Jewish fighters in the warsaw ghetto killing the wives and children of the Nazi soldiers... do you?

It's just not a reasonable comparison.

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Marie Antonette said let them eat cake instead and now Israel with all the tanks and planes expect Hamas to fight back with their planes and tanks and not use the natural advantages they have.

We were doing the same thing during our civil war, remember the midnight ride of Paul Revere.

And Jewish terrorists were doing the same thing before the formation of the State of Israel. The Jews did the same thing when the Nazi's tried to shut down the Warsaw Ghetto.

It always works that way in a basic Guerrilla war.

I do not think Israel has any room to talk when it comes to crying unfair.

This isn't really a valid comparison... If this were Guerrilla warfare, the war would be all about the battles raging in Gaza... but the battle wouldn't exist in Gaza if it weren't for the Rockets and Missles Hamas was shooting with the intention of killing innocent civillians.

I don't remember the minutemen attacking the wives and children of British soldiers... do you?
I don't even remember the Jewish fighters in the warsaw ghetto killing the wives and children of the Nazi soldiers... do you?

It's just not a reasonable comparison.

The Hamas "rockets" are pieces of junk driven by fertilizer. They are extremely ineffective and hardly more than a symbolic gesture of resistance against Israeli terror tactics and theft of land.

To use them as an excuse for the whole sale and deliberate slaughter of civilians at the hands of the Zionazi IDF is ridiculous. The IDF targets the UN and humanitarian organizations from abroad helping the Palestinian people endure the nazi tactics used by Israel.

In this context waving the rethorical fig leaf of Hamas rockets above your head as an excuse is pitiful.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: palehorse
All the while knowing that the mere proximity to the homes themselves is all the proof that is necessary...

No proof is necessary at all if you want to belive something bad enough.

However, for all I know, Hamas keeps people away from of buildings they store their weapons in, and the few buildings I've seen video of them launch rockets and such near as well.

If you can present evidence to back your claims to the contrary, then I'd gladly join you in condemning them for as much.

Yet since it seems Israel can't publicly release conclusive proof despite how often they make the claim, I am left with no grounds to belive them.

Hamas launching motars from a school

Another video showing something similar

Hamas missiles in a residential area

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: GrGr
The Hamas "rockets" are pieces of junk driven by fertilizer. They are extremely ineffective and hardly more than a symbolic gesture of resistance against Israeli terror tactics and theft of land.

To use them as an excuse for the whole sale and deliberate slaughter of civilians at the hands of the Zionazi IDF is ridiculous. The IDF targets the UN and humanitarian organizations from abroad helping the Palestinian people endure the nazi tactics used by Israel.

In this context waving the rethorical fig leaf of Hamas rockets above your head as an excuse is pitiful.

Try telling your story to the people who have been killed by that 'junk.'

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: GrGr
The Hamas "rockets" are pieces of junk driven by fertilizer. They are extremely ineffective and hardly more than a symbolic gesture of resistance against Israeli terror tactics and theft of land.

To use them as an excuse for the whole sale and deliberate slaughter of civilians at the hands of the Zionazi IDF is ridiculous. The IDF targets the UN and humanitarian organizations from abroad helping the Palestinian people endure the nazi tactics used by Israel.

In this context waving the rethorical fig leaf of Hamas rockets above your head as an excuse is pitiful.

Try telling your story to the people who have been killed by that 'junk.'

The rockets are bad enough, they are evil, but they are no excuse for the mass murder taking place now. The rockets have next to nothing to do with this invasion, they are just a handy excuse to crush Palestinian resistance to Israeli overrule. This Israeli operation is nothing new, it is the same old they have been doing for 100 years. Killing the Palestinian people in the name of Zionism. Sieg Heil Zionazis.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
...for all I know, Hamas keeps people away from of buildings they store their weapons in, and the few buildings I've seen video of them launch rockets and such near as well.

Hamas launching motars from a school

Another video showing something similar

Hamas missiles in a residential area

I'll take that to mean you have no evidence to dispute the possibility I mentioned above.

 

[Freshgeardude]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: GrGr
The Hamas "rockets" are pieces of junk driven by fertilizer. They are extremely ineffective and hardly more than a symbolic gesture of resistance against Israeli terror tactics and theft of land.

To use them as an excuse for the whole sale and deliberate slaughter of civilians at the hands of the Zionazi IDF is ridiculous. The IDF targets the UN and humanitarian organizations from abroad helping the Palestinian people endure the nazi tactics used by Israel.

In this context waving the rethorical fig leaf of Hamas rockets above your head as an excuse is pitiful.

Try telling your story to the people who have been killed by that 'junk.'

ill say this explanation again like I have said before on P&N..


If I shoot 200 bullets at you and 199 miss, but one grazes your arm and you basically live, is it still ok that I missed 199 times?

hell no its not.

its been proven that hamas operates near mosques, schools, and residential places, so when israel destroys the target, it kills "innocent" (ya bull) people. then the stupid pro-arab media shows this and brings some people that look smart and say its wrong and then you think israel is at fault.

Israel is protecting itself and nothing else. they have said tens of times on different occasions that they are only going after hamas militants and not civilians. get that in your ignorant brain

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: palehorse
My job is not based on "guesses." We use facts gained through first-hand exposure to the subject

...

I told you, I don't work with theories in my day job;

...

Why what do you do? Not an intelligence analyst or an academic surely, as either would happily admit they work on best-guesses and theories, but what else involves studying the Arab-Israeli conflict?

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
"innocent" (ya bull)

Yea those school children are dangerous terrorists...

they have said tens of times on different occasions that they are only going after hamas militants and not civilians. get that in your ignorant brain

What - everyone should just take them at their word? Why?

 

[Freshgeardude]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
"innocent" (ya bull)

Yea those school children are dangerous terrorists...

they have said tens of times on different occasions that they are only going after hamas militants and not civilians. get that in your ignorant brain

What - everyone should just take them at their word? Why?

children of hamas millitants etc.

im not saying they are all innocent, but most of them are not because they let the government do what they want.


umm.... when has israel fired missiles on gaza for 8 years, over 6000 missiles, purposely targeting civilians. why does israel call civilians to leave their home when they are going to attack that area. why does israel drop pamphlets everywhere warning of an attack with enough time to leave.

yea they are telling them to run because they want to kill them on the run? oh and if this was a real war, israel would block all 4 ways out of gaza. they only are blocking 3. egypt on the other hand is blocking that 4th way out, which is not israels fault