Isn't the 2016 Election Outcome Already Clear?

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I can't see Hillary and Bill Clinton winning.

In that case, she has to lose either the Primary or the General election. Which one do you think she will lose and to whom?

If the media is to be believed, the majority of Democrats are favoring Clinton for some crazy reason. (Perhaps they like Wall Street, big corporations, and the 1%.) So it's unlikely that Bernie will knock her off in the primary. Which of the Republican candidates to you think could beat her in the general?
 

phillyTIM

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Gowdy and his Benghazi committee junta just handed the election to Hillary.

She looked great, and unruffled at the end of 11 grueling hours in the shark tank. God bless her.

Who wouldn't want someone with her stamina to represent them as President, when going to bat with other countries????

Hillary now has my vote!
 

TheSlamma

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This is true, but it depends on who you mean is supposedly doing the critical thinking.
Party voters

Given the Clintons Wall Street/Big Bank back scratching records I don't get why Repubs hate them so much.. given that same record I don't get why Democrats even consider them Democrats. Right now Hillary is making the claims of Wall Street regulation and accountability to counter Bernie Sanders (who actually means it) once she gets in office that will all fade and Wall Street will do as they please.
 

phillyTIM

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Party voters

Given the Clintons Wall Street/Big Bank back scratching records I don't get why Repubs hate them so much.. given that same record I don't get why Democrats even consider them Democrats. Right now Hillary is making the claims of Wall Street regulation and accountability to counter Bernie Sanders (who actually means it) once she gets in office that will all fade and Wall Street will do as they please.

#TRUTH. Unfortunately.

But I'm voting for Hillary because I'm against the actual Republicans.

And I'd rather have Hillary picking the next 3-4 Supreme Court justices and continuing to assure the ACA will survive.

Unless Bernie can pull off a miracle, it's just us & Hillary against the Republican 1%ers.

Sigh.
 
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Indus

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#TRUTH. Unfortunately.

But I'm voting for Hillary because I'm against the actual Republicans.

And I'd rather have Hillary picking the next 3-4 Supreme Court justices and continuing to assure the ACA will survive.

Unless Bernie can pull off a miracle, it's just us & Hillary against the Republican 1%ers.

Sigh.

That's pretty much how I feel. I too want Sanders but given the safety net, I'd rather have Hillary than any GOP'er unless the Republicans do a massive reallignment along the lines of kicking out Conservatism and returning to the Liberal Eisenhower times.
 

Mxylplyx

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I can't see Hillary and Bill Clinton winning. There are too many skeletons in their closets to hide in this vast information age. And only so many Clinton employees are available to downvote the facts, but they certainly continue to try.

Wouldn't be shocked if this story is 100% factual...

Author: Hillary flooded Amazon with negative reviews of my book
http://pagesix.com/2015/10/19/author-hillary-flooded-amazon-with-negative-reviews-of-my-book/

The book in question is Roger Stone's "The Clintons' War on Women"
http://www.amazon.com/The-Clintons-Women-Roger-Stone-ebook/dp/B0145FKGK4/

Here are some of the one-star voters in question, all new accounts without a verified purchase coming from Hillary's headquarters in Brooklyn. Some of the comments make me question the qualifications to become a Clinton employee. Perhaps they just require a pulse.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Clintons-...?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addOneStar&showViewpoints=0

This also makes for some very compelling reading...
http://www.arkancide.com/

So you think after 2 decades of Republicans trying to hang a scandal on Clinton, fake amazon review are going to do her in?

I could definitely see Congress convening a special committee to investigate this though, because Benghazi.
 

Mxylplyx

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That's pretty much how I feel. I too want Sanders but given the safety net, I'd rather have Hillary than any GOP'er unless the Republicans do a massive reallignment along the lines of kicking out Conservatism and returning to the Liberal Eisenhower times.

I would probably take Sanders over Clinton as well, but unlike the Republican party these days, pragmatism trumps ideals. The country just isnt ready for someone like Sanders. Hillary would be a good stepping stone to a populist candidate like that, and is actually electable. Throwing all in on Sanders would open the door too wide for one of the Republican nut jobs to win the election, which is not something to be trifled with.
 

D-Man

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Obama didn't win because he was a young, good looking, articulate, and a minority though.

That would be the first problem with that theory, no?


I think Doc hit it on the head Harry Reid agreed with that statement on the record
 

theeedude

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I am voting against Republicans. Everything they touch turns to sh!t.
Look, they have to drag a guy kicking and screaming to become the speaker of the House, an honorable and historical opportunity before the GOP brought disgrace to it.
Senate is not much better. It's only barely functioning because of a sociopath like Mitch McConnell out-thugging the Tea Party.
Look at the nomination. Leaders are Trump and Carson. But even the so called reasonable candidate is Jeb Bush, who brings with him the same team that gave us 9/11,Iraq, and the Great Recession.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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#TRUTH. Unfortunately.

But I'm voting for Hillary because I'm against the actual Republicans.

And I'd rather have Hillary picking the next 3-4 Supreme Court justices and continuing to assure the ACA will survive.

Unless Bernie can pull off a miracle, it's just us & Hillary against the Republican 1%ers.

Sigh.

This! :thumbsup:
 

BoberFett

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I would probably take Sanders over Clinton as well, but unlike the Republican party these days, pragmatism trumps ideals. The country just isnt ready for someone like Sanders. Hillary would be a good stepping stone to a populist candidate like that, and is actually electable. Throwing all in on Sanders would open the door too wide for one of the Republican nut jobs to win the election, which is not something to be trifled with.

Obama wasn't elected as a populist? :confused:

Hillary is going the opposite direction from where we are now. She's no populist, she's a politician and a 1%er.
 

phillyTIM

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I am voting against Republicans. Everything they touch turns to sh!t.
Look, they have to drag a guy kicking and screaming to become the speaker of the House, an honorable and historical opportunity before the GOP brought disgrace to it.
Senate is not much better. It's only barely functioning because of a sociopath like Mitch McConnell out-thugging the Tea Party.
Look at the nomination. Leaders are Trump and Carson. But even the so called reasonable candidate is Jeb Bush, who brings with him the same team that gave us 9/11,Iraq, and the Great Recession.

And THIS!
 

theeedude

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Feb 5, 2006
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Obama wasn't elected as a populist? :confused:

Hillary is going the opposite direction from where we are now. She's no populist, she's a politician and a 1%er.

I hate to break it to you. Obama is a politician and a 1%er too. So is everyone running for President.
 

MongGrel

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Obama wasn't elected as a populist? :confused:

Hillary is going the opposite direction from where we are now. She's no populist, she's a politician and a 1%er.

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I hate to break it to you. Obama is a politician and a 1%er too. So is everyone running for President.
 

sm625

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Clinton is not going to win unless Trump comes totally unglued. I estimate there are about 40 million Americans who didnt even vote in the last few presidential elections who will actually go and vote for Trump. It will be a total and complete landslide that will make people question wtf were these predictors smoking?
 

Sonikku

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Imagine Bernie Sanders as President and Elizabeth Warren as VP.

Wouldn't be able to get much shit done with congress bought out and the tea party gerrymandered safe. But it would, if nothing else, improve the nations reputation abroad.
 

Hugo Drax

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Party voters

Given the Clintons Wall Street/Big Bank back scratching records I don't get why Repubs hate them so much.. given that same record I don't get why Democrats even consider them Democrats. Right now Hillary is making the claims of Wall Street regulation and accountability to counter Bernie Sanders (who actually means it) once she gets in office that will all fade and Wall Street will do as they please.

Because its a show to keep people entertained, it like a reality show. But behind the scenes they all pat each others back and take care of each other.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/big-bank-donations-show-bush-and-clinton-are-wall-streets-favorites/

Big bank donations show Bush and Clinton are Wall Street’s favorites


It will be BUSH III/CLINTON II for 2016 and status quo for the next 8 years.
 

dank69

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Because its a show to keep people entertained, it like a reality show. But behind the scenes they all pat each others back and take care of each other.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/big-bank-donations-show-bush-and-clinton-are-wall-streets-favorites/

Big bank donations show Bush and Clinton are Wall Street’s favorites


It will be BUSH III/CLINTON II for 2016 and status quo for the next 8 years.
In the immortal words of every 6yo girl everywhere: Let it go.