Isn't public schooling too damn expensive?

[highland145]

The system is not able to cover the cost of professional trainers that can help.

Everyone wants the system better; but the cost of getting there - NO WAY is heard.

Several pages back, I posted that our system was sucking $6K per kid for admin costs and $5K made it to the local schools. That's disgusting.

 

[Naeeldar]

False and has been proven many times over and over again.

PSs have high ratings as they only let in certain kids and if you don't follow their line you get kicked out.

Its like the highest rated school in the US is a public HS in Fairfax VA where I live. They are rated that high because only the best kids get in and if you don't hold your grades up you get kicked back to the regular public school.

Its not the schools but the students and parents behind the students.

There's certainly a degree of truth about the acceptance method here. However, it's false as well to state their is no difference in quality. In high school I spent the first 3 years and 1 month of my senior year in private school. During my senior year I transferred to one of top public schools in the state. Besides the fact that every class was much easier all around I can give a concrete example with the Math course. I was in an accelerated Calculus course in the public school and for the month I was in private school I was in the typical calc course. I switched over to public school in October and did not learn anything new in the math class until January.

There are many other examples I can give but after years in private school system and one year in public (all accelerated classes) I can flat out say there was no comparison in education quality and that was a top rated public school. I can only imagine what others are like.

 

[theevilsharpie]

Mass transist requires a mass of people to use it from one point to another.

Your rural public school model is an excellent example.
Operates twice a day and performs the job well.

Mass transit operates 12-18 hours per day. Percentage wise more routes, more equipment and labor.

If the municipal mass-transit system shared buses with the school district and vice versa, it would shave costs for both parties. Routes don't have to have to be in effect all day, and when the city's mass-transit needs increase or change, the additional buses required for the students could give them flexibility to travel extra routes when the students aren't using them.

 

[TheSlamma]

People also don't gain much intelligence from education. They're either born dumb or they're born smart.

We know exactly which one you were.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

The US can't afford to make its educational system work out of everyone. I see no problem with excluding a small percentage of students so that the vast majority can benefit.

and THIS is why the federal government has NO BUSINESS making decisions regarding public education (now to find a way to get them to fund it without trying to tinker with it). The good of the many in the federal system out weighs the needs of an ever growing few.

Tes; think about your mass transit idea for a moment: no one wants to ride on an air-conditioned buss with spacious seats if they don't have to and if you live in a place with a population under 500k you would be out-right stupid to. I live in a place with nearly 800k people in the metropolitan aria and only the poorest of people would ever dream of being on a buss; the inefficiencies of time just aren't wroth it.

how is forcing mas-transit availably at the quality of a freaking school-buss going to help anything?

I live in a semi-rural zone at 700k; I gave you up to 500k... even then over 1/3rd of the US is outside of your proposal. Sure it's the minority, but it's a minority that your program could never never work for.

 

[theevilsharpie]

Tes; think about your mass transit idea for a moment: no one wants to ride on an air-conditioned buss with spacious seats if they don't have to and if you live in a place with a population under 500k you would be out-right stupid to. I live in a place with nearly 800k people in the metropolitan aria and only the poorest of people would ever dream of being on a buss; the inefficiencies of time just aren't wroth it.

how is forcing mas-transit availably at the quality of a freaking school-buss going to help anything?

Mass transit systems are often mandated to qualify a municipality for funds in other areas. School transportation is (I assume) legally mandated as well.

Why should the two systems be separated? As it stands now, most public transit outside of major cities has too few buses serving too few routes to the point that it's useless for pretty much everyone, while you have dozens if not hundreds of school buses sitting in a maintenance yard for 20 hours a day. I couldn't possibly come up with a less efficient system.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Why should the two systems be separated?

ever been on a school buss?

ever notice school starts just about when work starts?

ever consider the cost of busing that many kids on a buss that a normal person would want to ride?

do you think that spending an hour and a half on a buss is something people that live a 1/2 hour drive to work want to do?

availability of mass-transit does not mean people will use it.

I couldn't possibly come up with a less efficient system.

I can! put all those maintenance yard buses to work servicing routs that people don't want to ride; thus spending more on ware on the vehicle and gas than could ever be justified by the people willing to ride the disgusting monsters.

 

[Vette73]

There's certainly a degree of truth about the acceptance method here. However, it's false as well to state their is no difference in quality. In high school I spent the first 3 years and 1 month of my senior year in private school. During my senior year I transferred to one of top public schools in the state. Besides the fact that every class was much easier all around I can give a concrete example with the Math course. I was in an accelerated Calculus course in the public school and for the month I was in private school I was in the typical calc course. I switched over to public school in October and did not learn anything new in the math class until January.

There are many other examples I can give but after years in private school system and one year in public (all accelerated classes) I can flat out say there was no comparison in education quality and that was a top rated public school. I can only imagine what others are like.

And I was in private school and went back to public. When I went back I was at best the same area and worse a little behind in others.

But I would never use my own example to say ALL are like that.

Is not hard to see that the highest rated HS is public. Not because it is the best school, but because they allow kids in the same way they do for PS's; you apply and they accept only the best.

 

[highland145]

Is not hard to see that the highest rated HS is public. Not because it is the best school, but because they allow kids in the same way they do for PS's; you apply and they accept only the best.

Not going back to look but was that from the list that had only public schools?

So a public is acting like a private and succeeding. Who knew?