Isn't public schooling too damn expensive?

[Vette73]

You took my statement out of context . Is what I ment to say was if ya lived far enough out . If your high school (private ) was close to a public school as mine was . Right across the street .In the late 60,s the state changed its no bussing of private school children . They had to let you ride. I biked or walked until 11 grade at which time I drove.

Ah I re-read and see now. Yea I am sure PSs would love that.

 

[JEDIYoda]

OP must be in public school......he never leaves a thread unattended...

 

[Nemesis 1]

All thow I agree that liberial ideas have leaked into the public school system and were now seeing the impact of this . If you went to the private HRCC schools there is plenty of brain washing to go around here also . Even tho I don't like the HRCC . They did teach how it was founded and the ceasar who was responsiable who was also was named a Saint which in its self was a sin . The biggest problem is dogma and the teachings that the Pope and the clergy were with Gods guidance a complete lie . Godless men have lead many churches there in lies the problem . To many false teachings. Just as liberals are doing now .

 

[VirtualLarry]

Public school is a handicap to any smart child, some are born smarter than others, some have a mental capacity with the ability to be geniuses, others will not make it through high school and will drop out. We are not failing them by not letting them graduate, they simply don't care enough to stay in school, let them get a job and work the rest of their lives in lower class jobs, someone has to do it. The bonus to these Public Schools being closed would be us no longer having to educate all the illegal aliens coming across the border to get an education!

Hell yes.

 

[Nemesis 1]

My boy found my hand planes. Wish he hadn't practiced on the black cherry I'd been saving.

Ya consider youself lucky it shows a high aptitude. My grandson is the same way . Count your blessings,

 

[BoberFett]

You know you're on the wrong side of this argument, as a liberal, when all those EU "socialist paradises" you yearn for have vouchers and you argue against them.

Stop it Z, you're going to make their heads explode.

On second thought, keep going.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Oh I would like to say I am sorry if I offened any liberials or HRCC members here , But I am what I am and have worked hard to to become what I become. As most can clearly see I am apostate

 

[JSt0rm]

Oh I would like to say I am sorry if I offened any liberials or HRCC members here , But I am what I am and have worked hard to to become what I become. As most can clearly see I am apostate

No problem Nemesis. I dont think any of us would argue that it must of been a lot of work to get to the point you are at.

 

[JSt0rm]

All thow I agree that liberial ideas have leaked into the public school system and were now seeing the impact of this .

Those stupid liberal schools!

Look at the stupid shit we have done!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassini–Huygens

 

[tk149]

Really? Then why are the majority of top high schools public then, even #1?

http://education.usnews.rankingsand...09/americas-best-high-schools-gold-medal-list

We looked at more than 21,000 public high schools in 48 states and the District of Columbia. The following are the 100 schools that performed the best in our three-step America’s Best High Schools ranking analysis.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and state that there is probably around a 80% to 90% chance that in any survey of public schools (and only public schools), the top 10 schools will be public. I'd bet that there's an even higher chance that the number one school would be public too. Just guessing though.

 

[Zebo]

survey of public schools (and only public schools), the top 10 schools will be public

LOL

 

[Capt Caveman]

Well, I think we can all agree that the OP was born dumb.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Those stupid liberal schools!

Look at the stupid shit we have done!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassini–Huygens

Your going to have to explain this one to me as I don't see how it relates to public schools.

 

[sportage]

yes, that's what happens when you put government in charge of anything. It becomes bloated and useless.

Ah... I think parents tossing McDonalds at their kid(s) and running off to the gym or playing on the pc all night is the only bloat happening here.
I still think all this attention towards schools and teacher failure is nothing more than parent failure. Parents have this attitude if their kid is a failure, it must be the teaches fault. It is not. Parents just don't give a rats ass, and or don't have the time to parent. Too easy to blame the public school system.
Parents think parenting begins and ends with McDonalds and making sure the kid has the latest nintendo system.

 

[Patranus]

Ah... I think parents tossing McDonalds at their kid(s) and running off to the gym or playing on the pc all night is the only bloat happening here.
I still think all this attention towards schools and teacher failure is nothing more than parent failure. Parents have this attitude if their kid is a failure, it must be the teaches fault. It is not. Parents just don't give a rats ass, and or don't have the time to parent. Too easy to blame the public school system.
Parents think parenting begins and ends with McDonalds and making sure the kid has the latest nintendo system.

Its all part of the perversion of personal responsibility by the "progressives".

Its not my problem, its the government. The government will fix everything.

 

[sonicdrummer20]

Someone paid taxes so you could go to school, turns out it was a pretty bad investment. Instead of a decent person we got another greedy idiot.

negative, my Parents homeschooled me as well as my three sisters, troll harder troll. I just want the right to MY income, i don't feel like giving it away to the greedy bitch on welfare so her 7 kids get an education.

 

[theevilsharpie]

No it would not. We should just let the free market handle it. I am sure PSs will take in all the special needs kids and those that don't have transpotation.

No transportation? A monthly pass for the local mass-transit system is usually pretty cheap, and with improvements in distance education, going to school every day will probably not be necessary in the future.

As for special needs kids?

I attend my local community college part time to keep in the habit of studying and to keep my technical skills up to date. Although most of the students are of sound mind (if not lazy), some are truly mentally handicapped, or otherwise severely impaired. While the naive inner liberal voice in me is rooting for their success, the bleak reality is that the vast majority of these students would fail miserably if held to the same standards as typical students. Even if they do graduate, they will never utilize their skills in any meaningful way because nobody in their right mind would hire them in a position of any type of responsibility.

So you're right, of course. A voucher is not going to be enough to pay for the education of someone with special needs. However, it will pay most or all of the expenses for most children, and by not subsidizing the education of special needs students to the tune of 10's to 100's of thousands of dollars that ultimately provides no real benefit for society, that money could go toward more productive uses: better facilities and equipment, better instructors, programs for adults that need retraining due to structural shifts in the economy, or simply back into the taxpayers pockets to be spent elsewhere in the economy.

And the special needs kid? They get a voucher like everyone else, and their parents can pay for additional expenses on their own dime if they want.

Yeah, I said it. Flame away.

 

[Vette73]

No transportation? A monthly pass for the local mass-transit system is usually pretty cheap, and with improvements in distance education, going to school every day will probably not be necessary in the future.

As for special needs kids?

I attend my local community college part time to keep in the habit of studying and to keep my technical skills up to date. Although most of the students are of sound mind (if not lazy), some are truly mentally handicapped, or otherwise severely impaired. While the naive inner liberal voice in me is rooting for their success, the bleak reality is that the vast majority of these students would fail miserably if held to the same standards as typical students. Even if they do graduate, they will never utilize their skills in any meaningful way because nobody in their right mind would hire them in a position of any type of responsibility.

So you're right, of course. A voucher is not going to be enough to pay for the education of someone with special needs. However, it will pay most or all of the expenses for most children, and by not subsidizing the education of special needs students to the tune of 10's to 100's of thousands of dollars that ultimately provides no real benefit for society, that money could go toward more productive uses: better facilities and equipment, better instructors, programs for adults that need retraining due to structural shifts in the economy, or simply back into the taxpayers pockets to be spent elsewhere in the economy.

And the special needs kid? They get a voucher like everyone else, and their parents can pay for additional expenses on their own dime if they want.

Yeah, I said it. Flame away.

So you think there is MT in all states, areas, etc...? Where I grew up, top 10 city in NC, there was little to no mass trans. Not everyone lives in NYC City.

So in other words F__K you and your kid; good luck with that useless voucher as no PS will take your kid.

Yea I think that will work real well for everyone.

 

[EagleKeeper]

You will be lucky to find mass transit outside a 10 mile radius of a city metro area of any size that deviates from commercial routes.


When I grew up, mass transit for school kids was the local school bus for the elementary kids. Last one leaving the center of town.
Pretty much a one way shot - it could get you to where you needed in town, but you had to figure you way back.

Town was roughtly 15 x 15 miles with a popuation of 2500 people.

Mass transist for half the nation is impractical.

 

[theevilsharpie]

So you think there is MT in all states, areas, etc...? Where I grew up, top 10 city in NC, there was little to no mass trans. Not everyone lives in NYC City.

You will be lucky to find mass transit outside a 10 mile radius of a city metro area of any size that deviates from commercial routes.


When I grew up, mass transit for school kids was the local school bus for the elementary kids. Last one leaving the center of town.
Pretty much a one way shot - it could get you to where you needed in town, but you had to figure you way back.

Town was roughtly 15 x 15 miles with a popuation of 2500 people.

Mass transist for half the nation is impractical.

Maybe if we redirected the hundreds of millions (billions?) of dollars that we spend on exclusive busing systems for kids and spent it instead on general mass-transit that could serve the general public as well as shuttling kids to and from school, maybe the US's mass-transit systems wouldn't suck so much :hmm:

 

[theevilsharpie]

So in other words F__K you and your kid; good luck with that useless voucher as no PS will take your kid.

Yea I think that will work real well for everyone.

The US can't afford to make its educational system work out of everyone. I see no problem with excluding a small percentage of students so that the vast majority can benefit.

 

[highland145]

As far as Marlin and the special needs kids, they are being failed in our system even with the $$ over and above the private school. Talked with a woman, yesterday, she and hubby are public school teachers. 4 kids, the youngest with learning disabilities. She claims they "babysit" him all day with minimal effort put towards helping him. So we're back to a lot of extra $$ going in the public system and poor results coming out.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Maybe if we redirected the hundreds of millions (billions?) of dollars that we spend on exclusive busing systems for kids and spent it instead on general mass-transit that could serve the general public as well as shuttling kids to and from school, maybe the US's mass-transit systems wouldn't suck so much :hmm:

Mass transist requires a mass of people to use it from one point to another.

Your rural public school model is an excellent example.
Operates twice a day and performs the job well.

Mass transit operates 12-18 hours per day. Percentage wise more routes, more equipment and labor.

What is the benefit. Convenience to merchants and public.

How would this affect schools - nothing. vouchers only work when there is decent options within a reasonable time frame.

A school district needs at least 4 schools to be able to justify the cost of competition. If a bad school loose 1/3 of their students vai vouchers; the other schools will pick up the increase by 1/9. That can overload the other schools. They have no planned for the exodus. Resources are not elastic - break the other three and you now have 4 bad schools.

Sometimes that "bad" schools are due to the parent supporting the schools, not the schools teaching the students. If a student refuses to learn; blaming and punishing the school only hurts those kids that are trying to learn.

 

[EagleKeeper]

As far as Marlin and the special needs kids, they are being failed in our system even with the $$ over and above the private school. Talked with a woman, yesterday, she and hubby are public school teachers. 4 kids, the youngest with learning disabilities. She claims they "babysit" him all day with minimal effort put towards helping him. So we're back to a lot of extra $$ going in the public system and poor results coming out.

The system is not able to cover the cost of professional trainers that can help.

Everyone wants the system better; but the cost of getting there - NO WAY is heard.

 

[highland145]

Sometimes that "bad" schools are due to the parent supporting the schools, not the schools teaching the students. If a student refuses to learn; blaming and punishing the school only hurts those kids that are trying to learn.

Parents and, in our state, school administration on a state and local level. I feel sorry for the teachers in most cases.