Islamic justice

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: bcoupland
I can't believe no one has mentioned Indonesia, by far the world's most populous muslim nation as well as Malaysia. Now, they are still relatively backwards when it comes to human/civil rights and judicial systems compared to North America and Western Europe/UK, but are still eons ahead of the Saudi/Iranian/Syrian/Palestinian theocracies.

Most people think majority of Muslims are from the M.E when they are in fact not.

yea...the muslims in asia aren't bombing/trying to take over the government...and the ones in africa aren't committing genocide :roll:

What the hell does political fighting have to do with anything?

You obviously lack knowledge on world events and have no idea wtf goes out outside your little box.

With your little bogus statement right there, I guess all of South America is crap. Might as well add them to your list.
Hell while we are at it lets add communist China with a dictatorship style govt. and Russia to that list as well.

There are over 100 million people living in each Muslim nation in Asia that you are referring to. Prove the majority are against their govt. Prove that there is a majority that seeks violence.
Hell without European tourist. Indonesia would be broke. Guess Europeans like to take risks.

what the fvck are you rambling about? islamic philosophy is all about conversion by the sword or accept being second class citizens. islamic philosophy is about islam being the political process.

yes, south american socialists are douchebags, but do i care? no, they don't want world domination and they don't blow shvt up and call it politics or blame the jews for their pathetic lives.

Are you a scholar in Islamic studies?
Who are you to speak for Muslims?

You claim to know about Islamic philosophy so I ask you.. ARE YOU A MUSLIM?

Muslims don't blame the Jews for anything. That comment right there proves you have no idea what you are talking about. If Muslims hated Jews so much why are there Jews living in a fanatical Muslim state? Why are they still alive? The population would have killed them already. Therefore, you obviously have no idea what Islamic philosophy is.

There are minorities in every Muslim nation. If populations as you claim wanted conversion then those minorities would be CRUSHED.

News Flash: Minorities everywhere are always treated as second class citizens. It could be race/religion/hair color/nose types/etc. If they are the minority then welcome to discrimination!

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
And to all the people asking for a "good representation" of the Muslim world, read up on when any one of the four righteous Caliphs was in charge. I think even Shia' Muslims can agree that they ALL led with justice, even though they disagree on who should have led first.

i have read up on the original 4 caliphs .. sounds too good to be true .. islam may carry a noble message but when i look at the muslims in the world i think they are one of the worst people on earth

and saudi arabia sucks btw

1.5 billion people on Earth are the worst people.

Excellent.

There are 7 million of these worst people living in the U.S.

Hell these "worst" people are dying for this country.
But who cares.

as a whole you idiot!

and do you ever post without trying to oversimplify issues using figures like "1.5 billion" and "7 million"?

I'm an idiot? Your post is filled with rambling.
My posts have facts.

Therefore until you post one single fact out of your mouth you sir are the idiot.

Go on ramble on. I'd love to see you prove to me your little case. You have no knowledge of this topic as it is clear by your posts. If you do then prove me wrong.

Prove that on a whole 1.5 billion people are the worst people.
You cannot. Go ahead go do a google search for little acts here and there.
Know what I'll do? I'll go do a little google search for all the violence committed inside Arizona where you live.

Then I can reach the conclusion that the state of Arizona is a piece of crap filled with all the worst people on Earth. I would have used the same methods and provided the same statistics as you did to prove your case. So go on prove Muslims as a whole are the worst people. I will simply prove the people of your state are the worst people ever.

But I like to think outside the box and stop labeling populations based on minority actions. Maybe you should learn?

You should work for CAIR.

CAIR are a bunch of educated lawyers from top-notch schools in the U.S.

Thanks.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
And to all the people asking for a "good representation" of the Muslim world, read up on when any one of the four righteous Caliphs was in charge. I think even Shia' Muslims can agree that they ALL led with justice, even though they disagree on who should have led first.

i have read up on the original 4 caliphs .. sounds too good to be true .. islam may carry a noble message but when i look at the muslims in the world i think they are one of the worst people on earth

and saudi arabia sucks btw

1.5 billion people on Earth are the worst people.

Excellent.

There are 7 million of these worst people living in the U.S.

Hell these "worst" people are dying for this country.
But who cares.

as a whole you idiot!

and do you ever post without trying to oversimplify issues using figures like "1.5 billion" and "7 million"?

I'm an idiot? Your post is filled with rambling.
My posts have facts.

Therefore until you post one single fact out of your mouth you sir are the idiot.

Go on ramble on. I'd love to see you prove to me your little case. You have no knowledge of this topic as it is clear by your posts. If you do then prove me wrong.

Prove that on a whole 1.5 billion people are the worst people.
You cannot. Go ahead go do a google search for little acts here and there.
Know what I'll do? I'll go do a little google search for all the violence committed inside Arizona where you live.

Then I can reach the conclusion that the state of Arizona is a piece of crap filled with all the worst people on Earth. I would have used the same methods and provided the same statistics as you did to prove your case. So go on prove Muslims as a whole are the worst people. I will simply prove the people of your state are the worst people ever.

But I like to think outside the box and stop labeling populations based on minority actions. Maybe you should learn?

You should work for CAIR.

it's useless arguing with him. he just pulls stats out of his a** whenever he feels like it and starts making these overly simplistic comparisons and analogies

i swear i see this in almost every single post of his in P&N

You call your posts arguing?

I see no facts presented at all. You didn't even admit anything.

Exactly. Never debate anything with me again. I'm sorry you stepped outside of your warcraft world and you have no knowledge of the topic you are "arguing about". I'm sure if this was a warcraft argument you would be busting out with magical spell paragraphs and such.

 

[hookinitup]

trust fools on atot to take a fox news report to new levels. that article is full of the expected fox bs. apparently it was determined the one judge who presided over the case might have been bribed. soon after this case made the media in that country he mysteriously disappeared.

the women was not blackmailed to meet the person she met at the mall. that was a friend of hers and he was also physically abused by the rapists.

ofcourse a judge being bribed could only happen there. we all know how unbribeable judges are in every other part of the world, including here.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Who opened the portal between OT and P&N?

The guys who built the Maginot line.

 

[Mo0o]

Sharia law is definitely fvcked up, most moderate muslims dont believe in following them, especially as closely as Saudi Arabia does.

Ironically before the war Iraq was one of the most liberal countries in the Arab world for women.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: bcoupland
I can't believe no one has mentioned Indonesia, by far the world's most populous muslim nation as well as Malaysia. Now, they are still relatively backwards when it comes to human/civil rights and judicial systems compared to North America and Western Europe/UK, but are still eons ahead of the Saudi/Iranian/Syrian/Palestinian theocracies.

Most people think majority of Muslims are from the M.E when they are in fact not.

yea...the muslims in asia aren't bombing/trying to take over the government...and the ones in africa aren't committing genocide :roll:

What the hell does political fighting have to do with anything?

You obviously lack knowledge on world events and have no idea wtf goes out outside your little box.

With your little bogus statement right there, I guess all of South America is crap. Might as well add them to your list.
Hell while we are at it lets add communist China with a dictatorship style govt. and Russia to that list as well.

There are over 100 million people living in each Muslim nation in Asia that you are referring to. Prove the majority are against their govt. Prove that there is a majority that seeks violence.
Hell without European tourist. Indonesia would be broke. Guess Europeans like to take risks.

what the fvck are you rambling about? islamic philosophy is all about conversion by the sword or accept being second class citizens. islamic philosophy is about islam being the political process.

yes, south american socialists are douchebags, but do i care? no, they don't want world domination and they don't blow shvt up and call it politics or blame the jews for their pathetic lives.

Are you a scholar in Islamic studies?
Who are you to speak for Muslims?

[/b]

You're a former pizza boy with a penchant for lying on message boards, you're not exactly an ideal spokesperson.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Saudi Arabia does not represent the Muslim world.

it best represents the muslim world. they are very literal, and muslim is a very literal religion being that the koran is the undisputed perfect never changing direct word from god.

Please don't call Saudi Arabia any thing close to "Islamic", they aren't. They've got their heads up their asses, and any one of the original Caliphs would've pwn3d the rapists. That ruling is unusually stupid.

they would say you weren't a good muslim either. as for the original caliphs, they are going by islamic law, which requires absurdities, so whats different.

 

[randomint]

Originally posted by: Aimster
You call your posts arguing?

I see no facts presented at all. You didn't even admit anything.

Exactly. Never debate anything with me again. I'm sorry you stepped outside of your warcraft world and you have no knowledge of the topic you are "arguing about". I'm sure if this was a warcraft argument you would be busting out with magical spell paragraphs and such.

they're the worst people because they claim to have the best religion but when you actually take a closer look at it ... none of the 56 muslim countries have implemented that system. show me ONE islamic country that has fully implemented islam in all walks of life. there's none. why? because they don't really believe it's the best.

today's muslims are nothing but western-wannabes. they may tout their religion and their way of life as the best but the truth is that they all want to adopt the western way of life which provides them with much more freedom and equality than their own systems.

they are just hypocrites on a global scale

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: hookinitup
trust fools on atot to take a fox news report to new levels. that article is full of the expected fox bs. apparently it was determined the one judge who presided over the case might have been bribed. soon after this case made the media in that country he mysteriously disappeared.

the women was not blackmailed to meet the person she met at the mall. that was a friend of hers and he was also physically abused by the rapists.

ofcourse a judge being bribed could only happen there. we all know how unbribeable judges are in every other part of the world, including here.

what is the "full of the expted fox bs" that you speak of? i would like examples please and also where you got the info about the judge being bribed.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

india has a muslim president.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: bcoupland
I can't believe no one has mentioned Indonesia, by far the world's most populous muslim nation as well as Malaysia. Now, they are still relatively backwards when it comes to human/civil rights and judicial systems compared to North America and Western Europe/UK, but are still eons ahead of the Saudi/Iranian/Syrian/Palestinian theocracies.

Most people think majority of Muslims are from the M.E when they are in fact not.

yea...the muslims in asia aren't bombing/trying to take over the government...and the ones in africa aren't committing genocide :roll:

What the hell does political fighting have to do with anything?

You obviously lack knowledge on world events and have no idea wtf goes out outside your little box.

With your little bogus statement right there, I guess all of South America is crap. Might as well add them to your list.
Hell while we are at it lets add communist China with a dictatorship style govt. and Russia to that list as well.

There are over 100 million people living in each Muslim nation in Asia that you are referring to. Prove the majority are against their govt. Prove that there is a majority that seeks violence.
Hell without European tourist. Indonesia would be broke. Guess Europeans like to take risks.

what the fvck are you rambling about? islamic philosophy is all about conversion by the sword or accept being second class citizens. islamic philosophy is about islam being the political process.

yes, south american socialists are douchebags, but do i care? no, they don't want world domination and they don't blow shvt up and call it politics or blame the jews for their pathetic lives.

Are you a scholar in Islamic studies?
Who are you to speak for Muslims?

[/b]

You're a former pizza boy with a penchant for lying on message boards, you're not exactly an ideal spokesperson.

Are you questioning my intelligence? cause I guarantee you my level of education surpasses yours.

If so prove me wrong or go sit in the corner and cry about how pizza boy knows more than you BIG SHOT GUY. In fact prove what I had to be as false. Go on do it.

Your little comment that linked pizza boy to intelligence shows you are yet another guy who has no common sense. You basically said pizza delivery drivers are idiots.
You sir shouldn't have kids.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Aimster
You call your posts arguing?

I see no facts presented at all. You didn't even admit anything.

Exactly. Never debate anything with me again. I'm sorry you stepped outside of your warcraft world and you have no knowledge of the topic you are "arguing about". I'm sure if this was a warcraft argument you would be busting out with magical spell paragraphs and such.

they're the worst people because they claim to have the best religion but when you actually take a closer look at it ... none of the 56 muslim countries have implemented that system. show me ONE islamic country that has fully implemented islam in all walks of life. there's none. why? because they don't really believe it's the best.

today's muslims are nothing but western-wannabes. they may tout their religion and their way of life as the best but the truth is that they all want to adopt the western way of life which provides them with much more freedom and equality than their own systems.

they are just hypocrites on a global scale

So in other words.. the entire world is a hypocrite.

 

[randomint]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Aimster
You call your posts arguing?

I see no facts presented at all. You didn't even admit anything.

Exactly. Never debate anything with me again. I'm sorry you stepped outside of your warcraft world and you have no knowledge of the topic you are "arguing about". I'm sure if this was a warcraft argument you would be busting out with magical spell paragraphs and such.

they're the worst people because they claim to have the best religion but when you actually take a closer look at it ... none of the 56 muslim countries have implemented that system. show me ONE islamic country that has fully implemented islam in all walks of life. there's none. why? because they don't really believe it's the best.

today's muslims are nothing but western-wannabes. they may tout their religion and their way of life as the best but the truth is that they all want to adopt the western way of life which provides them with much more freedom and equality than their own systems.

they are just hypocrites on a global scale

So in other words.. the entire world is a hypocrite.

way to make another asinine conclusion! do you have reading comprehension problems? you never cease to amaze me.

how about addressing my real question: show me ONE islamic country that has fully implemented islam in all walks of life if they think it's the best system.

western countries all have secular democracies with varying degrees of success and some are really up there in terms of how good the system works.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Aimster
Saudi Arabia does not represent the Muslim world.

it best represents the muslim world. they are very literal, and muslim is a very literal religion being that the koran is the undisputed perfect never changing direct word from god.

Please don't call Saudi Arabia any thing close to "Islamic", they aren't. They've got their heads up their asses, and any one of the original Caliphs would've pwn3d the rapists. That ruling is unusually stupid.

they would say you weren't a good muslim either. as for the original caliphs, they are going by islamic law, which requires absurdities, so whats different.

Does Falwell best represent the christian world?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Aimster
You call your posts arguing?

I see no facts presented at all. You didn't even admit anything.

Exactly. Never debate anything with me again. I'm sorry you stepped outside of your warcraft world and you have no knowledge of the topic you are "arguing about". I'm sure if this was a warcraft argument you would be busting out with magical spell paragraphs and such.

they're the worst people because they claim to have the best religion but when you actually take a closer look at it ... none of the 56 muslim countries have implemented that system. show me ONE islamic country that has fully implemented islam in all walks of life. there's none. why? because they don't really believe it's the best.

today's muslims are nothing but western-wannabes. they may tout their religion and their way of life as the best but the truth is that they all want to adopt the western way of life which provides them with much more freedom and equality than their own systems.

they are just hypocrites on a global scale

So in other words.. the entire world is a hypocrite.

way to make another asinine conclusion! do you have reading comprehension problems? you never cease to amaze me.

how about addressing my real question: show me ONE islamic country that has fully implemented islam in all walks of life if they think it's the best system.

western countries all have secular democracies with varying degrees of success and some are really up there in terms of how good the system works.

Like I said you have no idea wtf u r talking about

I don't even understand wtf u r trying to get at. Like I said rambling without clear thinking.
So if a nation does not run off of 100% their religion then that religion is not the best religion?

Show me a nation that does run 100% off of their religion.

Guess what? NONE OF THEM DO. Therefore, every religion in the world must suck. But it's ok to single out the Muslims as the worst ones and ignore the rest, right?

 

[randomint]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Like I said you have no idea wtf u r talking about

I don't even understand wtf u r trying to get at. Like I said rambling without clear thinking.
So if a nation does not run off of 100% their religion then that religion is not the best religion?

Show me a nation that does run 100% off of their religion.

Guess what? NONE OF THEM DO. Therefore, every religion in the world must suck. But it's ok to single out the Muslims as the worst ones and ignore the rest, right?

yeah why don't you go back to delivery pizzas .. mmmkay?

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: bcoupland
I can't believe no one has mentioned Indonesia, by far the world's most populous muslim nation as well as Malaysia. Now, they are still relatively backwards when it comes to human/civil rights and judicial systems compared to North America and Western Europe/UK, but are still eons ahead of the Saudi/Iranian/Syrian/Palestinian theocracies.

Most people think majority of Muslims are from the M.E when they are in fact not.

yea...the muslims in asia aren't bombing/trying to take over the government...and the ones in africa aren't committing genocide :roll:

What the hell does political fighting have to do with anything?

You obviously lack knowledge on world events and have no idea wtf goes out outside your little box.

With your little bogus statement right there, I guess all of South America is crap. Might as well add them to your list.
Hell while we are at it lets add communist China with a dictatorship style govt. and Russia to that list as well.

There are over 100 million people living in each Muslim nation in Asia that you are referring to. Prove the majority are against their govt. Prove that there is a majority that seeks violence.
Hell without European tourist. Indonesia would be broke. Guess Europeans like to take risks.

what the fvck are you rambling about? islamic philosophy is all about conversion by the sword or accept being second class citizens. islamic philosophy is about islam being the political process.

yes, south american socialists are douchebags, but do i care? no, they don't want world domination and they don't blow shvt up and call it politics or blame the jews for their pathetic lives.

Are you a scholar in Islamic studies?
Who are you to speak for Muslims?

[/b]

You're a former pizza boy with a penchant for lying on message boards, you're not exactly an ideal spokesperson.

Are you questioning my intelligence? cause I guarantee you my level of education surpasses yours.

If so prove me wrong or go sit in the corner and cry about how pizza boy knows more than you BIG SHOT GUY. In fact prove what I had to be as false. Go on do it.

Your little comment that linked pizza boy to intelligence shows you are yet another guy who has no common sense. You basically said pizza delivery drivers are idiots.
You sir shouldn't have kids.

Actually, it had nothing to do with intellect and everything to do with profession, as you were calling someone else out on the basis that they were apparently not a scholar in Islamic studies, and asking who were they to speak for Muslims.

I was also questioning the wisdom of putting stock in anything you had to say since you are a known liar.

As for your education surpassing mine... someday it might.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Aimster

Like I said you have no idea wtf u r talking about

I don't even understand wtf u r trying to get at. Like I said rambling without clear thinking.
So if a nation does not run off of 100% their religion then that religion is not the best religion?

Show me a nation that does run 100% off of their religion.

Guess what? NONE OF THEM DO. Therefore, every religion in the world must suck. But it's ok to single out the Muslims as the worst ones and ignore the rest, right?

yeah why don't you go back to delivery pizzas .. mmmkay?

yeah exactly you have no idea wtf u r talking about.

I thought so. You fail at this thread.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Aimster
You call your posts arguing?

I see no facts presented at all. You didn't even admit anything.

Exactly. Never debate anything with me again. I'm sorry you stepped outside of your warcraft world and you have no knowledge of the topic you are "arguing about". I'm sure if this was a warcraft argument you would be busting out with magical spell paragraphs and such.

they're the worst people because they claim to have the best religion but when you actually take a closer look at it ... none of the 56 muslim countries have implemented that system. show me ONE islamic country that has fully implemented islam in all walks of life. there's none. why? because they don't really believe it's the best.

today's muslims are nothing but western-wannabes. they may tout their religion and their way of life as the best but the truth is that they all want to adopt the western way of life which provides them with much more freedom and equality than their own systems.

they are just hypocrites on a global scale

So in other words.. the entire world is a hypocrite.

way to make another asinine conclusion! do you have reading comprehension problems? you never cease to amaze me.

how about addressing my real question: show me ONE islamic country that has fully implemented islam in all walks of life if they think it's the best system.

western countries all have secular democracies with varying degrees of success and some are really up there in terms of how good the system works.

Your point doesn't make any sense. Muslims aren't the only ones that think their religion is the best. Christians think theirs is, and so does every other religion. Yet there are no countries that put Christianity in all walks of life. Does that mean that Christianty isn't the best and Christians don't really believe it is?

I haven't seen you point out anything negative that is unique to Islam.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: bcoupland
I can't believe no one has mentioned Indonesia, by far the world's most populous muslim nation as well as Malaysia. Now, they are still relatively backwards when it comes to human/civil rights and judicial systems compared to North America and Western Europe/UK, but are still eons ahead of the Saudi/Iranian/Syrian/Palestinian theocracies.

Most people think majority of Muslims are from the M.E when they are in fact not.

yea...the muslims in asia aren't bombing/trying to take over the government...and the ones in africa aren't committing genocide :roll:

What the hell does political fighting have to do with anything?

You obviously lack knowledge on world events and have no idea wtf goes out outside your little box.

With your little bogus statement right there, I guess all of South America is crap. Might as well add them to your list.
Hell while we are at it lets add communist China with a dictatorship style govt. and Russia to that list as well.

There are over 100 million people living in each Muslim nation in Asia that you are referring to. Prove the majority are against their govt. Prove that there is a majority that seeks violence.
Hell without European tourist. Indonesia would be broke. Guess Europeans like to take risks.

what the fvck are you rambling about? islamic philosophy is all about conversion by the sword or accept being second class citizens. islamic philosophy is about islam being the political process.

yes, south american socialists are douchebags, but do i care? no, they don't want world domination and they don't blow shvt up and call it politics or blame the jews for their pathetic lives.

Are you a scholar in Islamic studies?
Who are you to speak for Muslims?

[/b]

You're a former pizza boy with a penchant for lying on message boards, you're not exactly an ideal spokesperson.

Are you questioning my intelligence? cause I guarantee you my level of education surpasses yours.

If so prove me wrong or go sit in the corner and cry about how pizza boy knows more than you BIG SHOT GUY. In fact prove what I had to be as false. Go on do it.

Your little comment that linked pizza boy to intelligence shows you are yet another guy who has no common sense. You basically said pizza delivery drivers are idiots.
You sir shouldn't have kids.

Actually, it had nothing to do with intellect and everything to do with profession, as you were calling someone else out on the basis that they were apparently not a scholar in Islamic studies, and asking who were they to speak for Muslims.

I was also questioning the wisdom of putting stock in anything you had to say since you are a known liar.

As for your education surpassing mine... someday it might.

Another post filled with rambling and no information useful for this thread or any other thread for that matter.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: bcoupland
I can't believe no one has mentioned Indonesia, by far the world's most populous muslim nation as well as Malaysia. Now, they are still relatively backwards when it comes to human/civil rights and judicial systems compared to North America and Western Europe/UK, but are still eons ahead of the Saudi/Iranian/Syrian/Palestinian theocracies.

Most people think majority of Muslims are from the M.E when they are in fact not.

yea...the muslims in asia aren't bombing/trying to take over the government...and the ones in africa aren't committing genocide :roll:

What the hell does political fighting have to do with anything?

You obviously lack knowledge on world events and have no idea wtf goes out outside your little box.

With your little bogus statement right there, I guess all of South America is crap. Might as well add them to your list.
Hell while we are at it lets add communist China with a dictatorship style govt. and Russia to that list as well.

There are over 100 million people living in each Muslim nation in Asia that you are referring to. Prove the majority are against their govt. Prove that there is a majority that seeks violence.
Hell without European tourist. Indonesia would be broke. Guess Europeans like to take risks.

what the fvck are you rambling about? islamic philosophy is all about conversion by the sword or accept being second class citizens. islamic philosophy is about islam being the political process.

yes, south american socialists are douchebags, but do i care? no, they don't want world domination and they don't blow shvt up and call it politics or blame the jews for their pathetic lives.

Are you a scholar in Islamic studies?
Who are you to speak for Muslims?

[/b]

You're a former pizza boy with a penchant for lying on message boards, you're not exactly an ideal spokesperson.

I find it interesting that you snipped the relevant argument out of Aimster's quote above you so that you could instead argue about his character and his previous job. Ad hominem attacks at their finest.

If his statements are inaccurate, show the inaccuracies. That holds a lot more weight than arguing about pedigree on the internet.

 

[randomint]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Aimster
You call your posts arguing?

I see no facts presented at all. You didn't even admit anything.

Exactly. Never debate anything with me again. I'm sorry you stepped outside of your warcraft world and you have no knowledge of the topic you are "arguing about". I'm sure if this was a warcraft argument you would be busting out with magical spell paragraphs and such.

they're the worst people because they claim to have the best religion but when you actually take a closer look at it ... none of the 56 muslim countries have implemented that system. show me ONE islamic country that has fully implemented islam in all walks of life. there's none. why? because they don't really believe it's the best.

today's muslims are nothing but western-wannabes. they may tout their religion and their way of life as the best but the truth is that they all want to adopt the western way of life which provides them with much more freedom and equality than their own systems.

they are just hypocrites on a global scale

So in other words.. the entire world is a hypocrite.

way to make another asinine conclusion! do you have reading comprehension problems? you never cease to amaze me.

how about addressing my real question: show me ONE islamic country that has fully implemented islam in all walks of life if they think it's the best system.

western countries all have secular democracies with varying degrees of success and some are really up there in terms of how good the system works.

Your point doesn't make any sense. Muslims aren't the only ones that think their religion is the best. Christians think theirs is, and so does every other religion. Yet there are no countries that put Christianity in all walks of life. Does that mean that Christianty isn't the best and Christians don't really believe it is?

I haven't seen you point out anything negative that is unique to Islam.

christianity allows for a secular system to be in place ... remember the separation of the church and state? so they don't have to implement christianity fully in their countries as a secular democracy is perfectly compatible with their faith. the same cannot be said about islam which regards secularism to be completely and utterly incompatible with it.

also, muslims explicitly say that their religion is the best and that the koran is the final word of god that has come to restore all that's wrong with the world.

it's for this reason that if they don't implement their religion to its fullest, they are just hypocrites which most of them are today. they've all opted for western democracies.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: randomint

Originally posted by: Aimster
You call your posts arguing?

I see no facts presented at all. You didn't even admit anything.

Exactly. Never debate anything with me again. I'm sorry you stepped outside of your warcraft world and you have no knowledge of the topic you are "arguing about". I'm sure if this was a warcraft argument you would be busting out with magical spell paragraphs and such.

they're the worst people because they claim to have the best religion but when you actually take a closer look at it ... none of the 56 muslim countries have implemented that system. show me ONE islamic country that has fully implemented islam in all walks of life. there's none. why? because they don't really believe it's the best.

today's muslims are nothing but western-wannabes. they may tout their religion and their way of life as the best but the truth is that they all want to adopt the western way of life which provides them with much more freedom and equality than their own systems.

they are just hypocrites on a global scale

So in other words.. the entire world is a hypocrite.

way to make another asinine conclusion! do you have reading comprehension problems? you never cease to amaze me.

how about addressing my real question: show me ONE islamic country that has fully implemented islam in all walks of life if they think it's the best system.

western countries all have secular democracies with varying degrees of success and some are really up there in terms of how good the system works.

Your point doesn't make any sense. Muslims aren't the only ones that think their religion is the best. Christians think theirs is, and so does every other religion. Yet there are no countries that put Christianity in all walks of life. Does that mean that Christianty isn't the best and Christians don't really believe it is?

I haven't seen you point out anything negative that is unique to Islam.

christianity allows for a secular system to be in place ... remember the separation of the church and state? so they don't have to implement christianity fully in their countries as a secular democracy is perfectly compatible with their faith. the same cannot be said about islam which regards secularism to be completely and utterly incompatible with it.

also, muslims explicitly say that their religion is the best and that the koran is the final word of god that has come to restore all that's wrong with the world.

it's for this reason that if they don't implement their religion to its fullest, they are just hypocrites which most of them are today. they've all opted for western democracies.

Show me where in the Quran it says such a thing. Everything you just mentioned above. Then show me where in the Bible it says separation of church and state.

All religious people say their religion is the best. Have you been living under a rock?

You seem to lack a complete understanding of religion as a whole.

Here is an interesting fact. The Quran is based off of the Bible. It is identical in many ways.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: bcoupland
I can't believe no one has mentioned Indonesia, by far the world's most populous muslim nation as well as Malaysia. Now, they are still relatively backwards when it comes to human/civil rights and judicial systems compared to North America and Western Europe/UK, but are still eons ahead of the Saudi/Iranian/Syrian/Palestinian theocracies.

Most people think majority of Muslims are from the M.E when they are in fact not.

yea...the muslims in asia aren't bombing/trying to take over the government...and the ones in africa aren't committing genocide :roll:

What the hell does political fighting have to do with anything?

You obviously lack knowledge on world events and have no idea wtf goes out outside your little box.

With your little bogus statement right there, I guess all of South America is crap. Might as well add them to your list.
Hell while we are at it lets add communist China with a dictatorship style govt. and Russia to that list as well.

There are over 100 million people living in each Muslim nation in Asia that you are referring to. Prove the majority are against their govt. Prove that there is a majority that seeks violence.
Hell without European tourist. Indonesia would be broke. Guess Europeans like to take risks.

what the fvck are you rambling about? islamic philosophy is all about conversion by the sword or accept being second class citizens. islamic philosophy is about islam being the political process.

yes, south american socialists are douchebags, but do i care? no, they don't want world domination and they don't blow shvt up and call it politics or blame the jews for their pathetic lives.

Are you a scholar in Islamic studies?
Who are you to speak for Muslims?

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You're a former pizza boy with a penchant for lying on message boards, you're not exactly an ideal spokesperson.

Are you questioning my intelligence? cause I guarantee you my level of education surpasses yours.

If so prove me wrong or go sit in the corner and cry about how pizza boy knows more than you BIG SHOT GUY. In fact prove what I had to be as false. Go on do it.

Your little comment that linked pizza boy to intelligence shows you are yet another guy who has no common sense. You basically said pizza delivery drivers are idiots.
You sir shouldn't have kids.

Actually, it had nothing to do with intellect and everything to do with profession, as you were calling someone else out on the basis that they were apparently not a scholar in Islamic studies, and asking who were they to speak for Muslims.

I was also questioning the wisdom of putting stock in anything you had to say since you are a known liar.

As for your education surpassing mine... someday it might.

Another post filled with rambling and no information useful for this thread or any other thread for that matter.

Why waste the effort debating with someone that is a known liar? If you really care about your cause, you ought to let someone put the point forward that isn't known as a liar and general forum idiot.