Is this considered rape, my friend... *UPDATE*

[Deeko]

I would say OMG no you invited me here.

Now what about the first situation? Is it rape?

Read what I said in reply to notfred's post. If she has a problem with it when sober, then yes. If she doesn't, then no.

 

[Hoober]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Deeko

Ok, that's bullsh!t. It is not rape anytime a girl has had anything to drink. In this case where she was half-unconscious there's a problem but women generally can have a few drinks and still know what they're doing.

You must either be very young or have no experience with alcohol.

Either that or Drexel forced the freshman body to attend an assembly on date rate, given by a sex ed professor from a major university in Richmond. I guess he probably doesn't know though, right?? It is rape, they even showed us court cases of that EXACT thing happening, and guess what? The guy was convicted. Don't tell me what I'm saying is bullsh!t when you don't know what's going on.

So if go out on a date with a girl to a clun and have two drinks,later she invites me over to her house to get it on and then makes breakfast in the morning I RAPED HER?!?!?!?

I say BULLSH!T.

Same situation, have a few drinks, but in the morning she says "OMG you raped me", it IS rape. Your sorry ass is in jail. Have fun with that!

I would say OMG no you invited me here.

Now what about the first situation? Is it rape?

The point is, the cops would still arrest you and you would be prosecuted. The burden of proof then falls on your shoulders to prove that you did not rape the woman.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Hoober

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Deeko

Ok, that's bullsh!t. It is not rape anytime a girl has had anything to drink. In this case where she was half-unconscious there's a problem but women generally can have a few drinks and still know what they're doing.

You must either be very young or have no experience with alcohol.

Either that or Drexel forced the freshman body to attend an assembly on date rate, given by a sex ed professor from a major university in Richmond. I guess he probably doesn't know though, right?? It is rape, they even showed us court cases of that EXACT thing happening, and guess what? The guy was convicted. Don't tell me what I'm saying is bullsh!t when you don't know what's going on.

So if go out on a date with a girl to a clun and have two drinks,later she invites me over to her house to get it on and then makes breakfast in the morning I RAPED HER?!?!?!?

I say BULLSH!T.

Same situation, have a few drinks, but in the morning she says "OMG you raped me", it IS rape. Your sorry ass is in jail. Have fun with that!

I would say OMG no you invited me here.

Now what about the first situation? Is it rape?

The point is, the cops would still arrest you and you would be prosecuted. The burden of proof then falls on your shoulders to prove that you did not rape the woman.

So you still consider it rape even though she doesn't huh?

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata
I dont want to say too much but, my friend was not that wasted because we only had around 3 or beers each.

Anyway i just wanted someone elses insight into this matter, since its been naggin me since last weekend.

You'll kick one friend's ass for not giving you some pizza but you'll just shrug off another friend raping a girl? You all right in the head?

 

[Deeko]

he was referring to your line "OMG you invited me here"

 

[tarheelmm]

You actually had to ask this question??

 

[HakunaMatata]

what's important is is the girl filing charges against that guy? Heard anything about the status of the girl? did she think she got raped?

Good question, thats the first i thought of too the next day in school. i saw her, but i didn't hear any rumors about her or the incident. I'm sure i would heard of something thru friends if she had reported it or something. i i doubt she is going to report it, whatever her reason maybe, i dunno what they might be thou. we'll see, so far nothing's happened.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Even if you're not married, it's still not rape if you take someone out to dinner, have a glass of wine, and go back home and get it on.

We were told, like I said, by a guy that knows his stuff, that if alcohol is involved, and she says the next day that it was rape, that it is. Personally, I'd take the word of a professor of sex education(an odd title don't you think?), over people from AT.

That doesn't even make sense. Here in the United States, laws are not allowed to be biased based on gender. So, if both parties each have one glass of wine, and then have sex, either one of them can say they were raped the next morning? How about if they BOTH say they were raped? By your definition of rape, they both were.

Show me any law from anywhere in the US that says someone was automatically raped if they had ANY alcohol in a specified time period before the sex act.

 

[Hoober]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Hoober

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Deeko

Ok, that's bullsh!t. It is not rape anytime a girl has had anything to drink. In this case where she was half-unconscious there's a problem but women generally can have a few drinks and still know what they're doing.

You must either be very young or have no experience with alcohol.

Either that or Drexel forced the freshman body to attend an assembly on date rate, given by a sex ed professor from a major university in Richmond. I guess he probably doesn't know though, right?? It is rape, they even showed us court cases of that EXACT thing happening, and guess what? The guy was convicted. Don't tell me what I'm saying is bullsh!t when you don't know what's going on.

So if go out on a date with a girl to a clun and have two drinks,later she invites me over to her house to get it on and then makes breakfast in the morning I RAPED HER?!?!?!?

I say BULLSH!T.

Same situation, have a few drinks, but in the morning she says "OMG you raped me", it IS rape. Your sorry ass is in jail. Have fun with that!

I would say OMG no you invited me here.

Now what about the first situation? Is it rape?

The point is, the cops would still arrest you and you would be prosecuted. The burden of proof then falls on your shoulders to prove that you did not rape the woman.

So you still consider it rape even though she doesn't huh?

It doesn't matter what I personally believe. If she calls rape even after she's invited you in and is sober enough to know what she's doing, then there's something wrong. If she's not really sober, invites you in, something happens, and then she calls rape in the morning... then you're in big trouble.

 

[Mr N8]

Maybe....*gasp*...there is no friend. hmmm....:Q

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata

what's important is is the girl filing charges against that guy? Heard anything about the status of the girl? did she think she got raped?

Good question, thats the first i thought of too the next day in school. i saw her, but i didn't hear any rumors about her or the incident. I'm sure i would heard of something thru friends if she had reported it or something. i i doubt she is going to report it, whatever her reason maybe, i dunno what they might be thou. we'll see, so far nothing's happened.

make something happen. thats what i would do.

your friend needs to be in jail

 

[Deeko]

That doesn't even make sense. Here in the United States, laws are not allowed to be biased based on gender. So, if both parties each have one glass of wine, and then have sex, either one of them can say they were raped the next morning? How about if they BOTH say they were raped? By your definition of rape, they both were.

Show me any law from anywhere in the US that says someone was automatically raped if they had ANY alcohol in a specified time period before the sex act.

Rape laws are stupid like that. Technically, if a guy says he was forced into the sex, should he be able to claim rape? Sure. Can he? Who knows...do you know any guys that have reported it??

And you show me a law that says it isn't rape until she is about to pass out.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Deeko
he was referring to your line "OMG you invited me here"

So your won't answer the question either? If alcohol is involved but the girl does not consider it rape, is it rape?

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata
Good question, thats the first i thought of too the next day in school. i saw her, but i didn't hear any rumors about her or the incident. I'm sure i would heard of something thru friends if she had reported it or something. i i doubt she is going to report it, whatever her reason maybe, i dunno what they might be thou. we'll see, so far nothing's happened.

Make sure you tell any prospective girlfriends of yours that you had a friend rape a girl and you know about it, but you did nothing about it. You will definitely gain someone's trust that way.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: MogulMonster
Maybe....*gasp*...there is no friend. hmmm....:Q

lol... :Q

*cue music*

*du du duuuum*

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Deeko
he was referring to your line "OMG you invited me here"

So your won't answer the question either? If alcohol is involved but the girl does not consider it rape, is it rape?

I did answer. Read the thread before responding sir.

 

[Jzero]

That doesn't even make sense. Here in the United States, laws are not allowed to be biased based on gender.

Ideally, this is true. In reality, when it comes to things like rape, divorce and domestic violence, it's a lot easier for a woman to get a man on trumped up charges than it is the other way around.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Deeko

That doesn't even make sense. Here in the United States, laws are not allowed to be biased based on gender. So, if both parties each have one glass of wine, and then have sex, either one of them can say they were raped the next morning? How about if they BOTH say they were raped? By your definition of rape, they both were.

Show me any law from anywhere in the US that says someone was automatically raped if they had ANY alcohol in a specified time period before the sex act.

Rape laws are stupid like that. Technically, if a guy says he was forced into the sex, should he be able to claim rape? Sure. Can he? Who knows...do you know any guys that have reported it??

And you show me a law that says it isn't rape until she is about to pass out.

The way laws work in this country is that everything is legal unless specificaly prohibited. Therefore, laws will not be created to define what is legal, but only what is illegal. You might as well ask me to show you what law allows us to breathe air.

Anyway, I did no mean to apply that anything goes unless she's completely passed out. My argument is jsut that alcohol+sex does not automatically equal rape.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Jzero

That doesn't even make sense. Here in the United States, laws are not allowed to be biased based on gender.

Ideally, this is true. In reality, when it comes to things like rape, divorce and domestic violence, it's a lot easier for a woman to get a man on trumped up charges than it is the other way around.

yes we Men get the sh!t end of the stick even when we havent done anything wrong

 

[Deeko]

The way laws work in this country is that everything is legal unless specificaly prohibited. Therefore, laws will not be created to define what is legal, but only what is illegal. You might as well ask me to show you what law allows us to breathe air.

Well, it is unanimously agreed upon that it is rape if she is almost passing out, so there must be a law about it somewhere. Wherever you find that law, you find what I said as well.

 

[BooGiMaN]

He offered you the girl liek sloppy seconds cuz he knew she would be too far gone to know what was happenign to her and you still wonder if its rape?

I hope you didnt take him up on his offer, only thing he was tryign to do was cover his ass. That way he'd know you wouldnt say anythign cuz you share in the guilt.

We all know in reality there are two things goign on here:

1.He will not turn his freind in, but he is trying to justify his guilty feelings by having us validate she was consenting. which if you read the thread we are not doing.

2.He partook in the rape and is trying to figure out what to do, or find an excuse i.e. "she consented".

He is not your freind, and sooner or later you and him will take the fall if he keeps doing this, because basically your now his partner in crime. When he goes down he is definitley going to take u down with him. and you will be posting from the po po, that is ..if bubba lets his you.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Not rape. If she was half asleep, that means she was still half awake. But it was still a horrible thing to do, and you do need to find a new friend.

Rape = forcing a girl to have sex with you.
Not rape (but still bad) = taking advantage of a girl who got into the situation by her own stupidity.

 

[Hoober]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: Deeko
he was referring to your line "OMG you invited me here"

So your won't answer the question either? If alcohol is involved but the girl does not consider it rape, is it rape?

I did answer. Read the thread before responding sir.

There used to be a period of time in history when men were supposed to be gentlemen. We seem to have lost that element. Whether a woman is too inebriated to make a valid response to a question, spoken or not, that you, or she, might pose, is something that you, as the gentleman, have a duty to determine. Certainly alcohol can be, and usually is, involved before sex. The question is whether or not either party has had enough alcohol to lose their "normal" inhibitions.

 

[HakunaMatata]

this will be my last post on this subject because i don't feel like talking about it alot.

I won't be calling teh cops about this matter, because if the girl decides she was raped, she would have called them in the first place. Maybe she doesn't want anyone to know what happened to her???

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Not rape. If she was half asleep, that means she was still half awake. But it was still a horrible thing to do, and you do need to find a new friend.

Rape = forcing a girl to have sex with you.
Not rape (but still bad) = taking advantage of a girl who got into the situation by her own stupidity.

Total BS.