Is the SUV Age about over?

[hpkeeper]

Originally posted by: Spikesoldier

Originally posted by: rbloedow
Why do you care so much? So people want large cars - it's their money, STFU already. How they spend THEIR money is of no concern to you.

here we go again..let me throw a cannister of gasoline into the flames..


"well it is of damn concern to me when they ding my car with their big doors, run me off the side of the road because of the huge blind spots, cant stay in their own lane when driving taking two lanes, cant park right taking up two parking spaces...yaddaydaddyadydyblahblbahlahlahalhmoanamoanaon"

edit: added closing "

...more Gasoline.

quit whinning and get a bigger car then...
...if you don't want to spend the money... then shut up.

When has it been proven that SUV's have a higher percentage of dinging up your car door in a parking lot?

I have a GMC Sierra pickup truck that is about the same height as an SUV, am I just as bad?

If you're worried about blindspots on an SUV, drive down the interstate, I'd be more worried about Tractor Trailers.

And anyone who can't park in a parking space is just retarded, has nothing to do with the vehicle they're driving, it's just due to carelessness.

I'm all for people having smaller vehicles... it increases my survival rate. I'll take the larger vehicle over the smaller one any day. I pay for the amount of metal around me for protection. You pay for your small car for it's fuel efficiency. On my tombstone it's not going to say "But I got 30 miles to the gallon" ...Fvck that.

 

[purbeast0]

some of you are so god damn pathetic. let the people buy what ever the hell they want to buy and get over it. no one is telling you what to spend your money on.

i'm sure of you guys who have these fancy 4343Ghz computers with GeForce 9's and 432Gb of PC4593 RAM don't use them to their full potential either, yet you still have em.

get the hell over it, to each their own.

 

[complacent]

Originally posted by: Gurck

MORE MEN OWN SUV'S THAN WOMEN DO, especially since men tend to buy more vehicles

Men whose wives drive them, your point?

You condoned killing people, flaming me doesn't detract from that.

Holy shit, there is no convincing you. How about "Women whose husbands drive them?" You twist data to make it fit what you want. The gender was lifted directly from the registration. There is no reason to believe from that data that the owner of the car isn't the one driving it.

And how did I condone killing people? By saying buy a bigger car? By saying it is their problem if their vehicle can't stand up to a car wreck? It is THEIR problem. What happens if they hit a moose? Or if they get hit by a tractor-trailer? If you are worried about your car's crumple zones, then YOU shouldn't even be driving. You are still wrong and have not provided any sort of compelling, unbiased argument. You maybe should think about not posting to forums anymore.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: complacent
I just found some statistics showing that SUV's account for only 23.9% of the womens market. Men's market share was 25%. Let me get out my calculator....yup, it looks like 25% > 23.9%, hence MORE MEN OWN SUV'S THAN WOMEN DO, especially since men tend to buy more vehicles.

Link: http://www.polk.com/news/releases/2002_0106a.asp

Percentages don't mean what you think it means. Or, it might. There are more women than men so a smaller percentage could still be more women buying SUVs than men.

23.9% of a bigger pie is a bigger than 25% of a smaller pie. You need to look at sales numbers, not percentages.

Also, it doesn't take into account men who buy them for their wives at their wives' request. Like a Pilot I sold a woman in 2003 in my short stint as a car salesman.

 

[Gurck]

If you're worried about blindspots on an SUV, drive down the interstate, I'd be more worried about Tractor Trailers.

Commerce as we know it would grind to a halt without big rigs. We'd likely have bigger & more centralized supermarkets & other stores, meaning a shopping trip would be a day-long excursion for most people. The extra gas used would likely mostly offset whatever we saved without the big rigs as well.

Life as Billy Bob's wife Maggie Sue knows it would not grind to a halt, however, if she had to drive something which wasn't a road-bound weapon down to the corner store to get milk or to drop Jethro off at school. As an added bonus for all involved, walls and parked cars wouldn't get in her way so much.

 

[purbeast0]

lets start the "OFFICIAL OWNAGE OF 2005" thread and nominate and then award it to Gurck

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Gurck

If you're worried about blindspots on an SUV, drive down the interstate, I'd be more worried about Tractor Trailers.

Commerce as we know it would grind to a halt without big rigs. We'd likely have bigger & more centralized supermarkets & other stores, meaning a shopping trip would be a day-long excursion for most people. The extra gas used would likely mostly offset whatever we saved without the big rigs as well.

Life as Billy Bob's wife Maggie Sue knows it would not grind to a halt, however, if she had to drive something which wasn't a road-bound weapon down to the corner store to get milk or to drop Jethro off at school. As an added bonus for all involved, walls and parked cars wouldn't get in her way so much.

What do you drive Gurck?

 

[complacent]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: complacent
I just found some statistics showing that SUV's account for only 23.9% of the womens market. Men's market share was 25%. Let me get out my calculator....yup, it looks like 25% > 23.9%, hence MORE MEN OWN SUV'S THAN WOMEN DO, especially since men tend to buy more vehicles.

Link: http://www.polk.com/news/releases/2002_0106a.asp

Percentages don't mean what you think it means. Or, it might. There are more women than men so a smaller percentage could still be more women buying SUVs than men.

23.9% of a bigger pie is a bigger than 25% of a smaller pie. You need to look at sales numbers, not percentages.

I agree with you there. However, this is more convincing than assuming some stupid figure as Gurck did. However, it is true that more men buy vehicles than women.

Also, when browsing for more stuff, I found that it was reported that women are more likely to buy a compact SUV, like a Ford Escape, than a mid or full size. These compact SUV's are generally built on a car frame, such is the case with the Kia Sportage, weigh in under 4,000 pounds, and are no higher off the ground than a normal car.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: complacent
And how did I condone killing people?

With this - "Skipping over crumple zones and killing passengers: Sounds like YOUR problem, not mine"

By saying buy a bigger car? By saying it is their problem if their vehicle can't stand up to a car wreck? It is THEIR problem. What happens if they hit a moose? Or if they get hit by a tractor-trailer? If you are worried about your car's crumple zones, then YOU shouldn't even be driving. You are still wrong and have not provided any sort of compelling, unbiased argument. You maybe should think about not posting to forums anymore.

If the standard was bigger vehicles with more ground clearance, you'd have a point - but it isn't. I'm not even bitching about gas mileage or SUVs' ugly looks and the fact that most buyers have them only to be trendy, just about their ground clearance. Automakers could give them a lower center of gravity, negating their lethal status to other people, but then office workers who think they're pioneering explorers because their mosntrosity's commercial depicts it climbing Mt. Everest might not think their fashion statement was as uber as someone else's and sales might dip. Automakers won't even consider it, instead offering entirely different vehicles for people with a conscience. The whole "ahm commin, git outta mah way" mentality is responsible for so much human tragedy, this is but a small aspect of it.

Stop posting.

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
What do you drive Gurck?

'85 Audi Quattro

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Gurck

If the standard was bigger vehicles with more ground clearance, you'd have a point - but it isn't. I'm not even bitching about gas mileage or SUVs' ugly looks and the fact that most buyers have them only to be trendy, just about their ground clearance. Automakers could give them a lower center of gravity, negating their lethal status to other people, but then office workers who think they're pioneering explorers because their mosntrosity's commercial depicts it climbing Mt. Everest might not think their fashion statement was as uber as someone else's and sales might dip. Automakers won't even consider it, instead offering entirely different vehicles for people with a conscience. The whole "ahm commin, git outta mah way" mentality is responsible for so much human tragedy, this is but a small aspect of it.

okay Mr. Full-O-Facts ... where is your proof of that fact I bolded out of your quote. or was that YAA ... yet another assumption.

give it a rest.

 

[bigredguy]

It was close, but now that gas is cheaper people won't mind.

 

[desy]

First off let me say I'm a fan of SUV's I've had a couple.
Now to dispell the myths.

Women statistically get in less accidents than men, and less violent ones.
Does that mean they are better drivers? Well it can be argured no as they don't enguage in a driving style that pushes a vehicle.

SUVS are safer, not really, including to themselves SUV drivers typically get in more accidents because once you go over 4000lb GVR the pros of more metal are being disadvantaged by poorer handling characteristics and the high center of gravity as a secondary problem.

The proof
Sorry, they aren't safer statistics don't bear it out

A small car probably is just as safe, false. It is if its engineered properly, also small cars like cavs and neons do really poor cause, A they aren't engineered as well and B because they are cheap, the people who can afford to buy them are young or bought for as a starter car by their parents are the most inexperienced drivers leading to a much higher fatality.

So there are MANY reasons to have a SUV, there are a lot of people who BUY them under false promise and dillusion and would be better of in something else. I don't blame them I have a problem with the collective pshycic that 'keeping up with the Jones' outweighs common sense.

 

[complacent]

Originally posted by: Gurck

If the standard was bigger vehicles with more ground clearance, you'd have a point - but it isn't. I'm not even bitching about gas mileage or SUVs' ugly looks and the fact that most buyers have them only to be trendy, just about their ground clearance. Automakers could give them a lower center of gravity, negating their lethal status to other people, but then office workers who think they're pioneering explorers because their mosntrosity's commercial depicts it climbing Mt. Everest might not think their fashion statement was as uber as someone else's and sales might dip. Automakers won't even consider it, instead offering entirely different vehicles for people with a conscience. The whole "ahm commin, git outta mah way" mentality is responsible for so much human tragedy, this is but a small aspect of it.

Stop posting.

So your problem is with vehicles that have high ground clearance, not with SUV's. Let us look at all the SUV's without high ground clearance: Ford Escape, GMC Envoy, Chevy Trailblazer, Mazda Tribute, Kia Sportage, Kia Sedona, Mercury Mariner, Chevy Equinox, Honda Element...all SUV's with relatively low ground clearance.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Gurck

If the standard was bigger vehicles with more ground clearance, you'd have a point - but it isn't. I'm not even bitching about gas mileage or SUVs' ugly looks and the fact that most buyers have them only to be trendy, just about their ground clearance. Automakers could give them a lower center of gravity, negating their lethal status to other people, but then office workers who think they're pioneering explorers because their mosntrosity's commercial depicts it climbing Mt. Everest might not think their fashion statement was as uber as someone else's and sales might dip. Automakers won't even consider it, instead offering entirely different vehicles for people with a conscience. The whole "ahm commin, git outta mah way" mentality is responsible for so much human tragedy, this is but a small aspect of it.

okay Mr. Full-O-Facts ... where is your proof of that fact I bolded out of your quote. or was that YAA ... yet another assumption.

give it a rest.

I need to prove that 95% of the population doesn't go offroading?

 

[complacent]

Originally posted by: Gurck

I need to prove that 95% of the population doesn't go offroading?

Umm..I don't use my SUV for off-roading. I use it for hauling a lot of people / gear, driving in unsafe winter conditions, hauling a boat, carrying lumber, etc. Never once have I gone offroading, but I couldn't do what I do with an '85 Audi.

Go here: http://www.autoalliance.org/archives/suvusagestudy.pdf to see about SUV usage. LEt's see..

79.3 % of all owners indicate that they use their SUV during harsh weather.
50% use it to haul tools or other bulky items (although your car hauls a tool whenever YOU drive it)
40% use it to access homes or locations
40% use it to take children to various activites
24% use them to carry bikes, kayaks, canoes or skies and also take advantage of the towing ability.
15% use them to go offroading.
4.6% reported that they frequently transport handicapped in their vehicles.

Wow, it seems like you have some assumptions about what an SUV is used for. It is a SPORT UTILITY VEHICLE. UTILITY. Look it up. Now, if it was a SPORT OFF-ROAD VEHICLE you may have a point, but it isn't.

Again, owned.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: complacent

Originally posted by: Gurck

I need to prove that 95% of the population doesn't go offroading?

Umm..I don't use my SUV for off-roading. I use it for hauling a lot of people / gear, driving in unsafe winter conditions, hauling a boat, carrying lumber, etc. Never once have I gone offroading, but I couldn't do what I do with an '85 Audi.

Go here: http://www.autoalliance.org/archives/suvusagestudy.pdf to see about SUV usage. LEt's see..

79.3 % of all owners indicate that they use their SUV during harsh weather.
50% use it to haul tools or other bulky items (although your car hauls a tool whenever YOU drive it)
40% use it to access homes or locations
40% use it to take children to various activites
24% use them to carry bikes, kayaks, canoes or skies and also take advantage of the towing ability.
15% use them to go offroading.
4.6% reported that they frequently transport handicapped in their vehicles.

Wow, it seems like you have some assumptions about what an SUV is used for. It is a SPORT UTILITY VEHICLE. UTILITY. Look it up. Now, if it was a SPORT OFF-ROAD VEHICLE you may have a point, but it isn't.

Again, owned.

I don't buy it, not many people of driving age or older who don't have downs syndrome think saying "owned" or calling someone names wins an argument.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though, and speak as though I don't think you're defending your parents' SUV ownership and not your own. While people who actually use theirs for things they couldn't do with a car have a legitimate reason, they make up a minority of owners, and don't need 5' of ground clearance to do so. Further, I've never had a problem driving a fwd or awd car in the snow, just rwd - I'd think heavier vehicles would have more trouble, and another poster's link backs that up.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Gurck

If the standard was bigger vehicles with more ground clearance, you'd have a point - but it isn't. I'm not even bitching about gas mileage or SUVs' ugly looks and the fact that most buyers have them only to be trendy, just about their ground clearance. Automakers could give them a lower center of gravity, negating their lethal status to other people, but then office workers who think they're pioneering explorers because their mosntrosity's commercial depicts it climbing Mt. Everest might not think their fashion statement was as uber as someone else's and sales might dip. Automakers won't even consider it, instead offering entirely different vehicles for people with a conscience. The whole "ahm commin, git outta mah way" mentality is responsible for so much human tragedy, this is but a small aspect of it.

okay Mr. Full-O-Facts ... where is your proof of that fact I bolded out of your quote. or was that YAA ... yet another assumption.

give it a rest.

I need to prove that 95% of the population doesn't go offroading?

since when does "Sport Utility Vehicle" = Off roading?

dude, just stop posting.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: complacent

Originally posted by: Gurck

I need to prove that 95% of the population doesn't go offroading?

Umm..I don't use my SUV for off-roading. I use it for hauling a lot of people / gear, driving in unsafe winter conditions, hauling a boat, carrying lumber, etc. Never once have I gone offroading, but I couldn't do what I do with an '85 Audi.

Go here: http://www.autoalliance.org/archives/suvusagestudy.pdf to see about SUV usage. LEt's see..

79.3 % of all owners indicate that they use their SUV during harsh weather.
50% use it to haul tools or other bulky items (although your car hauls a tool whenever YOU drive it)
40% use it to access homes or locations
40% use it to take children to various activites
24% use them to carry bikes, kayaks, canoes or skies and also take advantage of the towing ability.
15% use them to go offroading.
4.6% reported that they frequently transport handicapped in their vehicles.

Wow, it seems like you have some assumptions about what an SUV is used for. It is a SPORT UTILITY VEHICLE. UTILITY. Look it up. Now, if it was a SPORT OFF-ROAD VEHICLE you may have a point, but it isn't.

Again, owned.

I don't buy it, not many people of driving age or older who don't have downs syndrome think saying "owned" or calling someone names wins an argument.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though, and speak as though I don't think you're defending your parents' SUV ownership and not your own. While people who actually use theirs for things they couldn't do with a car have a legitimate reason, they make up a minority of owners, and don't need 5' of ground clearance to do so. Further, I've never had a problem driving a fwd or awd car in the snow, just rwd - I'd think heavier vehicles would have more trouble, and another poster's link backs that up.

dude you truly are an idiot. myself i do not own a damn SUV, nor does anyone in my family, with the exception of my brother because he just enjoys big cars, and he actually works at a place where he has to haul mulch and lawn mowers and what not around all day. you don't "buy facts" yet you can make them up. hmm sounds pretty smart.

i personally drive a LOWERED , as in LOW AS SHlT TO THE GROUND, Jetta. i don't have it lowered because i think its "cool" or whatever. its lowered because i love the way it handles as well as the looks. if there was only one mod i could do to any car it would be to lower the car. it handles 10x better. do i know that my crumple zone is now lower to the ground? yes i do ... its my own problem as its been explained to you over and over.

PLEASE do everyone a favor and stop posting.

 

[complacent]

Originally posted by: Gurck



I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though, and speak as though I don't think you're defending your parents' SUV ownership and not your own. While people who actually use theirs for things they couldn't do with a car have a legitimate reason, they make up a minority of owners, and don't need 5' of ground clearance to do so. Further, I've never had a problem driving a fwd or awd car in the snow, just rwd - I'd think heavier vehicles would have more trouble, and another poster's link backs that up.

First, just because you still live at home with your parents doesn't mean I do. Again, petty insults. FYI, I have a '03 GMC Envoy. Nothing too special, nice with lots of storage. Ain't the best, not the worst. It can pull my boat and that is what I care about.

I can tell you first hand that having a heavier vehicle in deep snow is of great benefit; you don't just float across the snow. Come to Alaska sometime during first snowfall. The highway is littered with Ford Mustangs, Chevy Cavaliers, and the likes.

5' of ground clearance? An SUV is actually has about 4-5" more ground clearance than a full size car. Where do you live? Do you get 1" of snow, or do you get 8-9" overnight sometimes? Do you drive up hills? Do you need to start from a stop on glare ice? Then, it pays off. And, of all the things I listed, few of them can be done comfortable with an '85 Audi.

 

[desy]

A Jetta is about one of the safest vehicles you can own
I just talked my buddy out of a Pilot and into a Passat, he picks it up tommorrow! Muhahahaha

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: desy
A Jetta is about one of the safest vehicles you can own
I just talked my buddy out of a Pilot and into a Passat, he picks it up tommorrow! Muhahahaha

yea i was just telling him that i don't own an SUV so i'm not defending them for personal reasons, and also that the trend thing is such a stupid argument.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: complacent
First, just because you still live at home with your parents doesn't mean I do. Again, petty insults. FYI, I have a '03 GMC Envoy. Nothing too special, nice with lots of storage. Ain't the best, not the worst. It can pull my boat and that is what I care about.

I can tell you first hand that having a heavier vehicle in deep snow is of great benefit; you don't just float across the snow. Come to Alaska sometime during first snowfall. The highway is littered with Ford Mustangs, Chevy Cavaliers, and the likes.

5' of ground clearance? An SUV is actually has about 4-5" more ground clearance than a full size car. Where do you live? Do you get 1" of snow, or do you get 8-9" overnight sometimes? Do you drive up hills? Do you need to start from a stop on glare ice? Then, it pays off. And, of all the things I listed, few of them can be done comfortable with an '85 Audi.

I live alone, thanks. I was commenting on namecalling when you have no argument and thinking you "owned" someone, both hallmarks of the very young and/or stupid.

I live in southeastern NY state, which is very hilly country, and where a winter without a few 8-12" storms is rare. The Audi is awd and has no problems getting me around in the stuff.

Originally posted by: purbeast0
dude you truly are an idiot. myself i do not own a damn SUV, nor does anyone in my family, with the exception of my brother because he just enjoys big cars, and he actually works at a place where he has to haul mulch and lawn mowers and what not around all day. you don't "buy facts" yet you can make them up. hmm sounds pretty smart.

i personally drive a LOWERED , as in LOW AS SHlT TO THE GROUND, Jetta. i don't have it lowered because i think its "cool" or whatever. its lowered because i love the way it handles as well as the looks. if there was only one mod i could do to any car it would be to lower the car. it handles 10x better. do i know that my crumple zone is now lower to the ground? yes i do ... its my own problem as its been explained to you over and over.

PLEASE do everyone a favor and stop posting.

More namecalling? In other words, a HS-age ricer has a problem with me? Is this a bad thing?

 

[complacent]

Originally posted by: Gurck

I live alone, thanks. I was commenting on namecalling when you have no argument and thinking you "owned" someone, both hallmarks of the very young and/or stupid.

I live in southeastern NY state, which is very hilly country, and where a winter without a few 8-12" storms is rare. The Audi is awd and has no problems getting me around in the stuff.

Owned is a common term. I don't care too much about the further assumptions you make about people that use it, but it has replaced the term "Point, match" in common English usage. I am 23 years old and am currently studying for my Masters degree in Computer Science. I am neither young or stupid. Wow, nice assumption there. You really are quite bad at this guess work. "If he uses this word, he must by young and stupid." Using fallacious arguments and name calling is a sign of the immature, which you are. That is not an assumption.

You claim I have no argument? You are disturbed. My argument has been all along that you make wild, stupid assumptions and have no facts to back it up, while my argument is backed by various statistics. I have a sound argument, and it seems to be generally agreed that your argument holds no water.

Does your Audi have a backseat? When was the last time you used it? If you don't make good use of your back seat, you should not be driving a car with a backseat. When was the last time you used your trunk? If you don't use your trunk all the time, or if you could use your backseat instead of your trunk, you should not be driving a car with a trunk. AWD? Do you need all-wheel drive? Couldn't you get away with 2wd during the summer? It wastes gas when you don't need it. You should really be driving a 4-wheel drive car since you don't need AWD. Do you get the point? We all have nice things that we COULD live without, but why? Personally, I hope I get the chance one day to roll over your crumple zone.

OWNED

 

[Gurck]

I think I'll just let that last post speak for itself, I couldn't have said it any better. "Personally, I hope I get the chance one day to roll over your crumple zone [and kill you]" is especially choice. You might not have a valid argument for SUVs, but you sure present an excellent one for the idea of having to earn & maintain a license in order to procreate.

ps. "Owned" hasn't replaced anything except for the middle/high school crowd. You're really saying a lot about yourself - and nothing good - by insisting on using it, in much the same way people who use u, ur, wut and other such acronyms are doing.

 

[complacent]

Originally posted by: Gurck

More namecalling? In other words, a HS-age ricer has a problem with me? Is this a bad thing?

Definition - Rice-burner: A car manufactured in Asia.
Volkswagen Jetta: manufactured in Germany.
Let me consult my map...AHA! Germany is not part of Asia. Again, you are wrong.

And you ASSUME that because he drives a lowered car that he is High School aged? Am I to assume that since you drive an '85 Audi that you are poor, and probably didn't receive any education higher than one semester of college before dropping out, and that you live off top Ramen, and can't wait for your parents to invite you home for a nice meal?