Is the SUV Age about over?

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: bharok

Originally posted by: DurocShark

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: DurocShark
I sure as fsck hope so.

I know you love your VW bus & all, but I would never put my family in one...

Take a folding chair out to your driveway and have a friend drive his car into your knees. That'll give you an idea of what it will feel like to have a front-end crash in an old VW bus. The engine's in the back. And you sit so far up front in that vehicle that your knees basically ARE the front bumpers. Not literally, but pretty close.

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Right, and Tom and Ray are SOOOOO reliable as sources. :roll:

And that crushed bus... You really think a different car would have survived better in that kind of wreck?

that is the primary false perception peope have .
if you want saftry drive a safe car like a volvo or a suburu
no neeed to get a huge unsightly SUV
they are actually more unsafe ( roller overs etc ..)

I own a VW Golf with a crapload of airbags and fair crashworthiness ratings, I'm not saying you have to have an SUV to be safe, I am saying that old VW buses are not crashworthy, and that I would not put my family in one...

And Gurck is incorrect about "pick ups not being allowed, there are exceptions:

Passenger Class Registration for Pick-up Trucks

Can I get a passenger class registration for my pick-up truck and drive the truck on parkways?

You can get passenger class plates for a light-duty pick-up truck that has an unladen weight of 5,500 lbs. or less.

See form MV-114 (Information For Pick-Up Truck Owners) to get more information.

The agency that controls a parkway decides if pick-up trucks with passenger class plates are allowed on the parkway. To make sure you can drive your pick-up truck on a parkway, contact the agency that manages the parkway. Some parking regulations and traffic regulations in New York City depend on the type of vehicle plates on your vehicle. Passenger class plates on your pick-up truck can change how NYC regulations affect you. Contact New York City about their regulations.

What pick-up trucks qualify for passenger class plates?

A pick up truck that is not changed and has an open bed can qualify for passenger class plates if the truck:

* is used only for non-commercial purposes, and
* has an unladen weight of 5,500 lbs. or less (the unladen weight of your pick-up truck is listed on the title certificate and on the door sticker), and
* does not have any business advertisements on the truck.

http://www.nysdmv.com/register.htm#pickup

The bans are for primarily intended for commercial vehicles, here in Texas, we'd crucify someone who dared to suggest such a thing, as would most states.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Most people bashing SUVs in this topic, have unnecessary spoilers (even Corolla's come from the factory with spoilers), "performance wheels", more than 4 cylinders, and use more gasoline per year than the average SUV driving soccer mom.

Sticking your fingers in your ears and repeating yourself endlessly like a child won't change the difference between what you're saying and what others are.

On pickups, I wasn't sure, but the current state of affairs is a good start. I'm told there's more to come.

 

[Ornery]

You have truly selected the PERFECT avatar, Bozo. :roll:

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Ornery
You have truly selected the PERFECT avatar, Bozo. :roll:

Unfortunately this has nothing to do with the argument at hand and is a sure sign that you have no real argument. Honestly, are you about 15?

 

[Ornery]

There is no fvcking argument, shltferbrains. A lot of the other clowns in this topic bitch about SUVs being unnecessary to their owners, all the while driving unnecessary "sports cars". Then, they bitch about the gasoline wasted by SUV drivers, while they're using more gasoline than the soccer moms! Hypocritical maggots!

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Gurck

On pickups, I wasn't sure, but the current state of affairs is a good start. I'm told there's more to come.

So you've been driving this toll road & seen pickups & posted what you did anyway?

So NY toll roads are going to ban SUV's?

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: rbloedow
Why do you care so much? So people want large cars - it's their money, STFU already. How they spend THEIR money is of no concern to you.

Hey, when we are fighting wars to secure oil for ourselves, you bet the use of every mother fscking drop is our concern.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: NFS4
You SUV bashers are a bunch of hypocrites. You bash SUV's but don't seem to give two sh!ts about pickup trucks. Hell, most of the big-ass SUV's are based on 1/2 ton pickup truck frames (Expedition, Tahoe, Suburban, Armada, Sequoia, etc.) and guzzle just as much gas. You ingrates do know that the F-Series is still the best selling vehicle in America followed by the Silverado/Sierra twins...RIGHT??

I don't see you little whiners bitching about the plethora of extended cab, crew cab, long-bed, duallie, etc, etc. trucks out there on the road that are longer just as wide and have turning circles far worse even the biggest SUV's. Hell, my dad's "compact" Nissan Frontier Crew Cab Long Bed is harder to drive, harder to see out of, harder to park, and harder to navigate with than his Toyota Highlander Limited.

I think the main diffference is that pickup drivers are generally seen as needing the vehicles, whereas an SUV isn't much different from a wagon.

 

[Ornery]

What kind of car do you drive, Smedly? How many miles to and from work? How many miles spent cruising around needlessly? You know for certain that you use less gasoline anually than the SUV drivers?

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: bharok

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: EGGO
I'm not an SUV basher, but I see a problem with your argument: Usually those who own pickup trucks have a real good reason why they own them.

Agreed, the main highway in my area down to NYC no longer allows pickups on it (Taconic). Further I'm not as concerned about gas usage as I am my safety when some soccer mom too busy putting on her makeup or yakking on her cell phone to stay on her side of the road head-ons me and kills me.

:thumbsup:
more highways need to do this

They don't allow pickups but they allow SUVs?

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: NFS4
You SUV bashers are a bunch of hypocrites. You bash SUV's but don't seem to give two sh!ts about pickup trucks. Hell, most of the big-ass SUV's are based on 1/2 ton pickup truck frames (Expedition, Tahoe, Suburban, Armada, Sequoia, etc.) and guzzle just as much gas. You ingrates do know that the F-Series is still the best selling vehicle in America followed by the Silverado/Sierra twins...RIGHT??

I don't see you little whiners bitching about the plethora of extended cab, crew cab, long-bed, duallie, etc, etc. trucks out there on the road that are longer just as wide and have turning circles far worse even the biggest SUV's. Hell, my dad's "compact" Nissan Frontier Crew Cab Long Bed is harder to drive, harder to see out of, harder to park, and harder to navigate with than his Toyota Highlander Limited.

I think the main diffference is that pickup drivers are generally seen as needing the vehicles, whereas an SUV isn't much different from a wagon.

Who gives a %&#@? They're still using the same damn roads. Who gives a crap what someone uses or doesn't use?

My Camry has 4 doors and room for 5. Very rarely do I have more than 1 passenger in my car and my trunk is normally empty. So what does that make me??

 

[Pliablemoose]

Glad I'm renting a jackhammer tomorrow morining so I can justify owning a pickup...

 

[Ornery]

Shhhh, quiet Brandon. mercanutard is just about to explain how he uses less fuel anually than the SUV driving soccer moms. He is VERY concerned obout our oil supply you know. :roll:

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Ornery
There is no fvcking argument, shltferbrains. A lot of the other clowns in this topic bitch about SUVs being unnecessary to their owners, all the while driving unnecessary "sports cars". Then, they bitch about the gasoline wasted by SUV drivers, while they're using more gasoline than the soccer moms! Hypocritical maggots!

You think namecalling and bringing impertinent issues into an argument helps your case? What's next, a comment detailing my mother's profession as a sexual services provider? Now you've got me guessing more like 12-13... At least you get points for reading the thread and not assuming I have a problem with gas mileage. Intelligent kid

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Gurck

On pickups, I wasn't sure, but the current state of affairs is a good start. I'm told there's more to come.

So you've been driving this toll road & seen pickups & posted what you did anyway?

So NY toll roads are going to ban SUV's?

Who said the Taconic was a toll road? It isn't, and I didn't so much as infer that it was. Pickups are extroadinarily rare where I live, most around here likely consider it a vehicle for Jethro and his cousin-brother-dad Clem, and the majority I see are indeed commercial vehicles. As a matter of fact, the last one I saw on the Taconic, about six months back, had a bunch of furniture with a blanket improperly tying it down, flapping in the wind (not joking) - real classy. At any rate, on the rare occasion one is on the Taconic, it's easy to assume they're just exit jumping in hopes of better travel time or that the police are being lenient. The word from the grapevine isn't that SUVs alone will be banned, but that all vehicles which aren't passenger cars would be. I never stated it as fact, just as something I heard. Your post is fraught with assumptions, try to work on that.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: rbloedow
Why do you care so much? So people want large cars - it's their money, STFU already. How they spend THEIR money is of no concern to you.

Hey, when we are fighting wars to secure oil for ourselves, you bet the use of every mother fscking drop is our concern.

You mean the oil we aren't getting? What a joke. Go back to whatever forum you came from.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Who said the Taconic was a toll road? It isn't, and I didn't so much as infer that it was. Pickups are extroadinarily rare where I live, most around here likely consider it a vehicle for Jethro and his cousin-brother-dad Clem, and the majority I see are indeed commercial vehicles. As a matter of fact, the last one I saw on the Taconic, about six months back, had a bunch of furniture with a blanket improperly tying it down, flapping in the wind (not joking) - real classy. At any rate, on the rare occasion one is on the Taconic, it's easy to assume they're just exit jumping in hopes of better travel time or that the police are being lenient. The word from the grapevine isn't that SUVs alone will be banned, but that all vehicles which aren't passenger cars would be. I never stated it as fact, just as something I heard. Your post is fraught with assumptions, try to work on that.

I heard you're an asshole & lie every time you open your mouth.

 

[alent1234]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: NFS4
You SUV bashers are a bunch of hypocrites. You bash SUV's but don't seem to give two sh!ts about pickup trucks. Hell, most of the big-ass SUV's are based on 1/2 ton pickup truck frames (Expedition, Tahoe, Suburban, Armada, Sequoia, etc.) and guzzle just as much gas. You ingrates do know that the F-Series is still the best selling vehicle in America followed by the Silverado/Sierra twins...RIGHT??

I don't see you little whiners bitching about the plethora of extended cab, crew cab, long-bed, duallie, etc, etc. trucks out there on the road that are longer just as wide and have turning circles far worse even the biggest SUV's. Hell, my dad's "compact" Nissan Frontier Crew Cab Long Bed is harder to drive, harder to see out of, harder to park, and harder to navigate with than his Toyota Highlander Limited.

I think the main diffference is that pickup drivers are generally seen as needing the vehicles, whereas an SUV isn't much different from a wagon.

if you have ever been outside a city you would see how wrong your post is. Even in NYC a lot of people are buying trucks just to drive one.

 

[alent1234]

I think today's news will show just how wrong the OP is. The Ford Escape hybrid has a waiting list 80,000 long and GM is going to show off the Sequel, a hydrogen fuel celled SUV that will go into production around 2010.

SUV's aren't going away. they are going to be more environment friendly.

 

[SuperStrokey]

80k long? Wow thats great news! Means they should be fairly affordable then. I wonder if they can even deliver close to that man

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Gurck

Who said the Taconic was a toll road? It isn't, and I didn't so much as infer that it was. Pickups are extroadinarily rare where I live, most around here likely consider it a vehicle for Jethro and his cousin-brother-dad Clem, and the majority I see are indeed commercial vehicles. As a matter of fact, the last one I saw on the Taconic, about six months back, had a bunch of furniture with a blanket improperly tying it down, flapping in the wind (not joking) - real classy. At any rate, on the rare occasion one is on the Taconic, it's easy to assume they're just exit jumping in hopes of better travel time or that the police are being lenient. The word from the grapevine isn't that SUVs alone will be banned, but that all vehicles which aren't passenger cars would be. I never stated it as fact, just as something I heard. Your post is fraught with assumptions, try to work on that.

I heard you're an asshole & lie every time you open your mouth.

Another namecalling child? If that's your argument I guess I win

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Another namecalling child? If that's your argument I guess I win

Actually, I had a long, well reasoned argument typed out, then realized you lied, I asked you to back up your claim days ago, you chose not to, just posting misrepresentations & conjecture about the subject. Then when you do adnit you were incorrect, you post a little class bias to spice it up.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Gurck

Another namecalling child? If that's your argument I guess I win

Actually, I had a long, well reasoned argument typed out, then realized you lied, I asked you to back up your claim days ago, you chose not to, just posting misrepresentations & conjecture about the subject. Then when you do adnit you were incorrect, you post a little class bias to spice it up.

While you argue by calling people names, way to go :roll: Your bridge called...

Which brings me to my point; the anti-SUV argument thus far has detailed many good points, such as gas mileage and danger - both for SUV drivers and those they hit... while the pro-SUV argument has read like an AOL chat room. I think that says pretty much all that needs to be said on the subject.