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Is Jeb! Getting Desperate?

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LegendKiller said:
I don't really agree. The overwhelming majority of the right disagrees with jeb on fundamental stances that have taken center stage. At this point I think it is more likely (but not certain) we see a genuine outsider.
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It's actually nice to see a real civil discussion about things lately.
 
LegendKiller said:
I don't really agree. The overwhelming majority of the right disagrees with jeb on fundamental stances that have taken center stage. At this point I think it is more likely (but not certain) we see a genuine outsider.
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I think that sensationalist media gives right wing radicals too much air time.

There's an off chance that Repubs could win the presidency. Given that, I hope Jeb takes the nomination because none of the others are even vaguely fit to serve.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
^^agreed^^

I look at Jeb like Romney, a good man just not the right man for right now.
Our more progressive guy probably don't agree.
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Is jeb a good man? I don't think so.

I think he's a empty suit, like his brother. He just promises 300 people 600 things and wants to get rich on the back end by peddling influence.

Does he care about the American people? No.

If he did he wouldn't advocate amnesty and open borders, "love", and these idiotic trade pacts. That's just money for .01. That doesn't make him a "good man" any more than it does hillary.
 
Jhhnn said:
I think that sensationalist media gives right wing radicals too much air time.

There's an off chance that Repubs could win the presidency. Given that, I hope Jeb takes the nomination because none of the others are even vaguely fit to serve.
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What does it mean by being fit to serve? Is Valarie Jarrett fit to advise the guy fit to serve? What makes her and good, other than being a poor Chicago politician?

Jeb is fit to cater to the .01%, no more.

As far as the other stuff, I think that the fear of trump running rampant is overblown. The guy runs pretty successful businesses and people keep coming back to him.

I know a few people who know his kids, two belong to the same country club in Westchester co. They say they are all great people who do a ton of charity work and work very hard and are more down to earth than you would expect. Not Paris Hilton types. I think that says a lot about his ability to be ability stable father figure and teach good and practical lessons despite extraordinary circumstances.

I don't have a problem with him having nuke codes. Why? Because he understands how much people can lose if you make a terrible decisions, including his own empire.
 
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What's with Republican hard on on Valerie Jarrett? What makes one fit to be adviser to the President is the President seeking their advise. End of story.
Jeb Bush is a signatory of the PNAC principles, which gave rise to neoconservatist foreign policy, which focused on regime changes over terrorism in the run up to 9/11 and gave us Iraq in the aftermath. Trusting him with nuke codes is like trusting GWB with foreign policy for another term.
 
senseamp said:
What's with Republican hard on on Valerie Jarrett? What makes one fit to be adviser to the President is the President seeking their advise. End of story.
Jeb Bush is a signatory of the PNAC principles, which gave rise to neoconservatist foreign policy, which focused on regime changes over terrorism in the run up to 9/11 and gave us Iraq in the aftermath. Trusting him with nuke codes is like trusting GWB with foreign policy for another term.
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Because she has no real experience in advising anybody on anything on a n international scale. Disqualifying trump is akin to disqualifying Obama or Jarrett.
 
LegendKiller said:
Because she has no real experience in advising anybody on anything on a n international scale. Disqualifying trump is akin to disqualifying Obama or Jarrett.
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Trump isn't disqualified by his experience, he's disqualified by his history of hilarious racism, xenophobia, and poorly laid out plans about public policy he doesn't understand.

One interesting thing to note however is that say, Trump's tax plan, while it is definitely a laughably inept piece of public policy, it's not substantially more inept than any other republican tax plan. They all are in the realm of fantasy.
 
eskimospy said:
Trump isn't disqualified by his experience, he's disqualified by his history of hilarious racism, xenophobia, and poorly laid out plans about public policy he doesn't understand.

One interesting thing to note however is that say, Trump's tax plan, while it is definitely a laughably inept piece of public policy, it's not substantially more inept than any other republican tax plan. They all are in the realm of fantasy.
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What xenophobia? That he doesn't want an unfettered flood of poorly educated, low income, entitlement needing, and high criminality population pouring into the country, suppressing wages and raising unemoyment for unskilled labor?

The majority of america agrees with him.

I do agree that his tax plan leaves a lot to be desired, but so does billery's
 
LegendKiller said:
What xenophobia? That he doesn't want an unfettered flood of poorly educated, low income, entitlement needing, and high criminality population pouring into the country, suppressing wages and raising unemoyment for unskilled labor?
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And he's not afraid of ICE acting like the gestapo towards 20% of citizens to do it, either.

Really nasty smear, btw.

The majority of america agrees with him.

I do agree that his tax plan leaves a lot to be desired, but so does billery's
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Any source for that agreement part?

If Dem tax plans leave much to be desired, it must be all of the magic asterisks prevalent in Repub plans.
 
LegendKiller said:
Because she has no real experience in advising anybody on anything on a n international scale. Disqualifying trump is akin to disqualifying Obama or Jarrett.
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The duly elected and re-elected President of the United States values her advise. Therefore she is his adviser. The end.
 
Jhhnn said:
And he's not afraid of ICE acting like the gestapo towards 20% of citizens to do it, either.

Really nasty smear, btw.



Any source for that agreement part?

If Dem tax plans leave much to be desired, it must be all of the magic asterisks prevalent in Repub plans.
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Then enforce e verify, ratchet up the fine to 100k per instance, per day. No need to treat anybody poorly.


Want to not willfully self deport? Then they can sit in a holding camp with no jobs, no money, minimal healthcare, and minimal sustenance. They will self deport.
 
MongGrel said:
You have never met him in person I take it.

He's actually a pretty cool guy, I wish he was POTUS other than Dubya around 9/11.

But I digress.

Trump is a joke, but that is just my opinion.
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No, but I lived in fl for almost 7 years, including when he was governor and during Terri Schiavo.
 
Trump has been ripping Jeb apart for flip flopping and being disingenuous over and over again. Such as Jebs false claims that his brother somehow kept the country safe, while Jeb completely ignored what happened to the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, and those 4 passenger planes under Juniors watch. And this bit of historical revisionism was going to be part of his dubious claim to the Presidency. And don't forget that all of the 20 Jihadi hijackers entered the country through Florida, under Governor Jebs watchful Eagle eye for security, don't ignore that part. This Jeb campaign strategy to revise history and fudge the facts shows just how stupid the GOP thinks most Republicans really are.

Oh, this looks like good news. I guess trying to outspend Trump thanks to all the clueless Super Pacs donators isn't working out so well ATM for Jeb.

http://nypost.com/2015/10/23/jeb-bush-reduces-campaign-staff-cuts-salaries/
 
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LegendKiller said:
What xenophobia? That he doesn't want an unfettered flood of poorly educated, low income, entitlement needing, and high criminality population pouring into the country, suppressing wages and raising unemoyment for unskilled labor?

The majority of america agrees with him.

I do agree that his tax plan leaves a lot to be desired, but so does billery's
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There's really no similarity. Trump's tax plan relies upon living in a fantasy world where math no longer works.
 
eskimospy said:
There's really no similarity. Trump's tax plan relies upon living in a fantasy world where math no longer works.
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Which is pretty much every tax plan out there. There isn't a single one that works. None really accomplish anything either.

Billery's plan sucks. Sanders plan sucks. Paul Ryan's plan sucks...etc.
 
LegendKiller said:
Which is pretty much every tax plan out there. There isn't a single one that works. None really accomplish anything either.

Billery's plan sucks. Sanders plan sucks. Paul Ryan's plan sucks...etc.
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Explain how they rely on equally unrealistic assumptions. Be specific.

I think if you actually take the time to look at them you will notice they are a lot different. Funny thing is that Trump the businessman has the most hilariously bad one of all. It basically boils down to either he's an idiot or he thinks you are.
 
SlickSnake said:
Trump has been ripping Jeb apart for flip flopping and being disingenuous over and over again. Such as Jebs false claims that his brother somehow kept the country safe, while Jeb completely ignored what happened to the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, and those 4 passenger planes under Juniors watch. And this bit of historical revisionism was going to be part of his dubious claim to the Presidency. And don't forget that all of the 20 Jihadi hijackers entered the country through Florida, under Governor Jebs watchful Eagle eye for security, don't ignore that part. This Jeb campaign strategy to revise history and fudge the facts shows just how stupid the GOP thinks most Republicans really are.

Oh, this looks like good news. I guess trying to outspend Trump thanks to all the clueless Super Pacs donators isn't working out so well ATM for Jeb.

http://nypost.com/2015/10/23/jeb-bush-reduces-campaign-staff-cuts-salaries/
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It's unfair to slime Jeb over 9/11. As Florida governor, he had no control over legal entry into this country.

I don't even blame Dubya. Our security "experts" just never put hijacking & suicide attacks together in their thinking. Reinforced cockpit doors & better in-flight procedures likely would have thwarted the attacks but nobody thought of it beforehand. They'd grown complacent over the usual "Take me to Havana!" routine. The attackers exploited a blind spot.

"He kept us safe" is just dumb.
 
Jhhnn said:
It's unfair to slime Jeb over 9/11. As Florida governor, he had no control over legal entry into this country.

I don't even blame Dubya. Our security "experts" just never put hijacking & suicide attacks together in their thinking. Reinforced cockpit doors & better in-flight procedures likely would have thwarted the attacks but nobody thought of it beforehand. They'd grown complacent over the usual "Take me to Havana!" routine. The attackers exploited a blind spot.

"He kept us safe" is just dumb.
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About as dumb as obama being able to claim there have been no terrorist attacks because he refuses to aim anything as terrorism. Like he repeatedly refuses to call benghazi terrorism.
 
Sounds like he's about to take his ball and go home...

"If this election is about how we're going to fight to get nothing done, then … I don't want any part of it," Bush said, according to CNN. "I've got a lot of really cool things I could do other than sit around, being miserable, listening to people demonize me and me feeling compelled to demonize them. That is a joke. Elect Trump if you want that."
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/10/24/donald-trump-needles-jeb-bush-over-campaign-shakeup-during-florida-rally/
 
LegendKiller said:
About as dumb as obama being able to claim there have been no terrorist attacks because he refuses to aim anything as terrorism. Like he repeatedly refuses to call benghazi terrorism.
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Not quite as dumb as continuing to make stupid, absolutely proven wrong time and time again statements.

"Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe," he said. "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."
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-Obama, September 12, 2012

I mean, if your derangement system is strong, in place, and holding strong, I guess you could spin it by saying that Obama literally said, "no acts of terror" when discussing Benghazi(!) on September 12th, the very next day... but it would be just as honest as the whole "Obama said you didn't build that" out-of-context statement that only faith-based conservatism could take as a reflection of observable reality.

Then again, given how conservatives rely on conjuring phrases to express their political opinions, I guess that since Obama didn't say the magical conjuring word "terrorism" and instead said "act of terror", that Obama is, of course, unwilling to describe the Benghazi attack as "terrorism", since that exact word wasn't used. I'm guessing because freedom, but of course and, very appropriately, Benghazi.
 
Jhhnn said:
It's unfair to slime Jeb over 9/11. As Florida governor, he had no control over legal entry into this country.

I don't even blame Dubya. Our security "experts" just never put hijacking & suicide attacks together in their thinking. Reinforced cockpit doors & better in-flight procedures likely would have thwarted the attacks but nobody thought of it beforehand. They'd grown complacent over the usual "Take me to Havana!" routine. The attackers exploited a blind spot.

"He kept us safe" is just dumb.
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Oh, but he certainly did have a lot of control over it. He just chose to ignore that part of being a hands on governor, because he was way too busy constantly fund raising and other political grandstanding sorts of stuff, and don't you know it.

Meanwhile, the 20 Jihadi nutters didn't even bother to complete their entry paperwork, leaving large portions not filled out. Someone just stamped a passport, ignored the uncompleted entry paperwork, and waved them all right in.

Not to mention, 13 had a Florida drivers license under Governor Jeb, with obviously no background checks to verify anything required to get them, to boot.

http://www.fairus.org/issue/identity-and-immigration-status-of-9-11-terrorists
 
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