I pledge allegance to the flag
of the United States of America.
And to the republic, for which it stands,
One nation, under God, indivisible
with liberty and justice for all.
I pledge allegance to the flag
of the United States of America.
And to the republic, for which it stands,
One nation, under God, indivisible
with liberty and justice for all.
While I see the reasons behind adding "under God" this is the original.
'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' (Francis Bellamy 1892)
Not actually the "original version" was quoted.
Ripped off of the web......for your reading joy.......
Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag of the United States, oath of loyalty to the U.S. national emblem and to the nation it symbolizes. The idea for such a pledge is said to have originated with one of the editors of The Youth's Companion, a magazine for children. By proclamation of President Benjamin Harrison, the pledge was first used on October 12, 1892, during Columbus Day observances in the public schools. The original wording of the pledge was as follows:
I pledge allegiance to my flag and to
the republic for which it stands: one nation, indivisible, with liberty
and justice for all.
The pledge was amended subsequently by the substitution of the words ?the flag of the United States of America? for the phrase ?my flag.? The newly worded pledge was adopted officially on Flag Day, June 14, 1924. By joint resolution of Congress the pledge was further amended in 1954 by the addition of the words ?under God.? This is how the pledge now reads:
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
and to the republic for which it stands: one nation under God, indivisible,
with liberty and justice for all.
When reciting the pledge of allegiance, civilians should stand at attention or with the right hand over the heart. Men should remove their hats. Armed services personnel in uniform face the flag and give the military salute.
None, but republicans and the Christian right would through a fit if you tried to take it out and return the pledge to its TRUE and original form.
This country thrives because of its ability to adapt to the changing times. I suspect "under God" will be removed soon enough. It really won't change it much, just adapt to a broader population. We are moving (can I say evolving) from a God fearing Nation to a thinking Nation. Many have dropped their belief in any god. I still hold my beliefs and will teach my children. There is something good in all religions that can help everyone live a good life. But to keep those who refuse to believe in any god I don't see a problem with dropping the words. I see no need to fight or sue because of the words.
If you feel that it needs removed, then you are a communist and unamerican and should get OUT!!!
(at least that's what i've been told when I ask why it's there)
Again Christians (Anyone who follows a religion) and republicans need to take another beating. You say TRUE and original form. Is our Constitution not evolving? With your argument we should go back to the original written constitution. Please don't use this argument it's too easy. What's wrong with an evolving pledge? What's wrong with saying we need to change it a bit to appeal to a broader population (as I stated in my other post)? When you argue to change things to the way they were it is counter productive because you need to be consistent. Can't say we need to go back, America is always moving forward!
Schools are run by fassict loser retards who are given too much power over the kids by the guise of "cearting a learning environment." When in reality most teachers need to cover up their own ineffectiveness. I learned the definition of hypocisy in 7th grade when we learned about the bill of rights and freedom of speech only to see that kids in school have no rights, including free speech. And when a student does attempt to exercise a right granted to him by the constitution, he is segregated out, discriminated against, and punished without due process. Nothing is more confusing to a teen who is fully capable of grasping the ideal of free speech, only to take that right away.
Kids are second class citizens in this country, oppressed by an innefective and maligned school system. But no one gives a crap about them, since when they turn 18 they are free. Unfortunately this contributes to all sorts of violence and social issues that one could only hope to predict.
So it does not suprise me that some schools have their head up their arse and would punish a kid for not saying the pledge, because when you are a student in a school, you have no rights, except the right to be abused.
Kids are second class citizens in this country, oppressed by an innefective and maligned school system. But no one gives a crap about them, since when they turn 18 they are free. Unfortunately this contributes to all sorts of violence and social issues that one could only hope to predict.
So it does not suprise me that some schools have their head up their arse and would punish a kid for not saying the pledge, because when you are a student in a school, you have no rights, except the right to be abused.
Heh. as Red Dawn has pointed out, I edited my post
I figured my signature would make it clear I was being sarcastic.I don't care if it's there. I do care when people think I should leave the country because I go against the norm.
Any examples? Oh and using "fasCiSt loser retards" is a rather ineffective way to argue a point. You will learn that later in life, if you stay in school.
I do think there is an issue with many districts. The teachers' union is demanding more and producing less.
Very true. I hear full day pre-school for 3 year olds is going to be manditory. That's too early in my opinion. It's becoming goverment paid daycare. I don't agree.
Oh I'm not trying to argue a point, I'm trying to raise eyebrows so people can think twice about how unjust our schools are. I find arguing on anandtech to be pointless, but since you asked, i'm not going to thow bombs, i'll give you some examples of rights teens in school don't have. Btw, I did stay in school, and went to college which was a much needed experience after growing up during the PC 90's. I was glad I got out when I did, after things like columbine, even my tiny country school in VT was cracking down and herding kids like it was a prison. Oh I forgot, it may as well have been a prison.
The main problem is that teachers and administration can do whatever they want to the kids in the name of "good education" and "safety." Much how anything in the real world can be done to us in the name of public health/safety, but that is another topic.
1) The first amendment, a student does not have the right to speak whenever he pleases, this possibly could be disruptive, but the student does not also have the right to sit outside the classroom and protest in good conscience. Also, in many schools kids have to follow a dress code and can't express themselves with even certain apparel, even stuff that isn't blatantly offensive.
2) the right to bear arms. Now, I'm not in favor of kids going to school with guns, I know and agree it's a safety hazard. But I'm guessing there are some rural states where a kid can legally own a gun and still be in high school, and despite following all proper laws, could be denied this right by being a student in a public school. Not a strong point I know, but a case could be made.
3) The right against unlawful search and seizure (I think that's the fourth amendment). The principal of a school doesn't need a search warrant or permission of a judge to search the private space of students lockers or bookbags if they so choose. You can argue all you want that they need cause, but if there is no legal process for this, unlawful searches should be illegal.
4) Pile together all the ridiculous stores you hear from kids who go to school. Simple things, like kids can't quietly play cards during study hall in some schools. Oh in my school christmas was banned, even having a tree was not allowed thanks to the Bill Clinton PC mentality by our administration.
My school wasn't that bad, but I have heard and seen what goes on at worse schools. When kids turn 13, they have the ability to think for themselves. They should not be subjected to the maligned whims of an innefective teacher on a power trip. Typically there are 2 kinds of teachers in a school, the good kind that care about education and teaching, and the bad, and far more common kind who instead of teaching try to control students and are given all the leeway they want to mess with the kids. And since most kids have been made complacent by years of prior schooling, it's expected for them. IMNSHO, school should be about education, not about behavior control, and sadly, some prisoners in the country have more rights than our kids in public school.
I don't see why it's such a big deal. I stopped saying the pledge in middle school. Why? Because I don't like talking in the morning, and I can still be patriotic without having to recite some silly poem every day. And for those uber-patriots who would blow up at me for not reciting it, this is America, I am an American, and it is my right to not say it if I don't want to. To yell at someone for exercising their rights by not reciting a patriotic poem is hypocrisy at its best.
File this one under irony, but when I was in the Max. Security Prison in Trenton NJ (JUST VISITING, MIND YOU), I couldn't help but notice that the furniture, decor and architecture in the common room was remarkably similar to most schools I had been to.
Regarding these "constitutional" issues, I have two things to say:
First, kids rarely understand the meaning of their rights. For example, most kids not reciting the pledge (I got in trouble for this, too!) are not protesting anything or making a point - they are just being jackasses. I certainly was.
Second, in "the real world" your rights are not guaranteed in the private sector, and it's best to learn that early. You can protest or wear whatever you want to work. You can bring a gun. You can claim they illegally read your e-mail or searched your desk drawers, but all this talk of rights and freedom won't stop you from getting fired.
apoppin
Lifer
Reverence for the flag = RELIGIOUS DEVOTION.
This is PROVED by jehovah's witnesses in the 1940 before the US SUPREME Court.
YOU DO NOT HAVE TO SAY THE PLEDGE. IT IS YOUR RIGHT NOT TO DO SO.
:roll:
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