Is it illegal to refuse the pledge in public schools?

[acemcmac]

In mother russia, the flag... the flag.... M4H SAVE ME!!!! I R TEH n00bz00r!

 

[Description]

I make the students in my homeroom stand, but I couldn't care one way or the other if they actually say the pledge. However, I judge the students' character on that. I hope a student who doesn't recite the pledge or is rude doesn't ever dare to ask me for a recommendation for something someday.

And this is why you get paid so little. Your character is judged by such imbecilic statements.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Description

I make the students in my homeroom stand, but I couldn't care one way or the other if they actually say the pledge. However, I judge the students' character on that. I hope a student who doesn't recite the pledge or is rude doesn't ever dare to ask me for a recommendation for something someday.

And this is why you get paid so little. Your character is judged by such imbecilic statements.

I am absolutely dumbfounded.

I thought you were better than that man. That is atrocious. I don't think I would want you teaching my kids.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Description

I make the students in my homeroom stand, but I couldn't care one way or the other if they actually say the pledge. However, I judge the students' character on that. I hope a student who doesn't recite the pledge or is rude doesn't ever dare to ask me for a recommendation for something someday.

And this is why you get paid so little. Your character is judged by such imbecilic statements.

I am absolutely dumbfounded.

I thought you were better than that man. That is atrocious. I don't think I would want you teaching my kids.

I agree, that shocked me quite a bit. It's not usually a disrespect issue, there are quite a few religions that prohibit such recitations.

 

[thirtythree]

I don't believe you have to here in utah (or maybe it's just my school district). you're supposed to get a note from your parent though.

 

[halik]

eh i wouldnt have any problems saying the pledge if i was american (i think i might have to do it if i get dual citizenship). Definitely not saying "under god" though ... there is no need for cold war mementa anymore

 

[stev0]

i think we stopped saying the pledge in 5th grade.

and no, it can't be against the law, i went to school with many kids who didn't say the pledge because or religious beliefs.

 

[stev0]

Originally posted by: Evadman
If you get a Satuday School, don't go. Then they give you 2. If you don't go to those, you get Suspended for 3 days. Ahh, Vacation.

saturday school is a bunch of sh1t. one winter we had a lot of snow (120'' or so) and missed 20 some days of school because of it. it was the school boards bright idea to make up class on saturdays :|

 

[MrCodeDude]

If you don't want to stay and say the pledge, why are you here in the first place?

Show some respect for your country, a$$hole. We had this guy in 5th grade who would not even stand and I went off on him. When I was called into the principals office and my parents were called in, my dad was defending me. It was fantastic

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: MrCodeDude
If you don't want to stay and say the pledge, why are you here in the first place?

Show some respect for your country, a$$hole. We had this guy in 5th grade who would not even stand and I went off on him. When I was called into the principals office and my parents were called in, my dad was defending me. It was fantastic

Oh, please. Showing respect for your country goes far beyond a pledge of allegiance.

 

[Description]

If you don't want to stay and say the pledge, why are you here in the first place?

To further one's education, such that they may not be forced into dronish activities such as this.

We had this guy in 5th grade who would not even stand and I went off on him. When I was called into the principals office and my parents were called in, my dad was defending me. It was fantastic

No shock. Your father propably taught such irrational behavior.

So you got your ass kicked, and were suspended form school. For what?

 

[clicknext]

What is the pledge? I'm Canadian so I don't really know... I think I have a shadow of a memory of it from my gr1 and gr2 in the states, but from then on I've been in Canada. Can someone type it out?

 

[slpaulson]

We all did in High School after 9/11 at the beginning of every day.

That said, I thought it was pretty lame. It's not like I have anything against
saying the pledge, but I think it's silly that we should have to say it every day
to prove we're good little Americans. To me it seemed more like our school
was just jumping on the patriotic bandwagon that happened after 9/11.

 

[dolph]

most people here get it, but there are a few that don't. let me spell it out very clearly so everyone understands:

you know the "liberty and justice for all" part? specifically the "liberty" line? well, that means they have the LIBERTY to NOT recite the pledge or even stand up. it is fully within their rights, and to punish anyone for exercising that right is far worse than burning the flag.

 

[MrCodeDude]

Originally posted by: clicknext
What is the pledge? I'm Canadian so I don't really know... I think I have a shadow of a memory of it from my gr1 and gr2 in the states, but from then on I've been in Canada. Can someone type it out?

Not standing during the pledge is kind of like booing O'Canada.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: clicknext
What is the pledge? I'm Canadian so I don't really know... I think I have a shadow of a memory of it from my gr1 and gr2 in the states, but from then on I've been in Canada. Can someone type it out?

I pledge allegance to the flag
of the United States of America.
And to the republic, for which it stands,
One nation, under God, indivisible
with liberty and justice for all.

 

[Description]

I thought it was pretty lame. It's not like I have anything against
saying the pledge, but I think it's silly that we should have to say it every day
to prove we're good little Americans. To me it seemed more like our school
was just jumping on the patriotic bandwagon that happened after 9/11.

Right.

 

[MrCodeDude]

Originally posted by: dolph
most people here get it, but there are a few that don't. let me spell it out very clearly so everyone understands:

you know the "liberty and justice for all" part? specifically the "liberty" line? well, that means they have the LIBERTY to NOT recite the pledge or even stand up. it is fully within their rights, and to punish anyone for exercising that right is far worse than burning the flag.

But they are not acknowledging that liberty by not standing.

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: juancferrer
in our school we say the pledge everyday in the classroom. I never stand, and of course i don't say it either. When there's a special function or a meeting, then i stand, but dont' say it

And what's your problem? I don't care if you say it or not, but at least stand up and show some respect for the country that you live in and the people who died protecting your freedom.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
I make the students in my homeroom stand, but I couldn't care one way or the other if they actually say the pledge. However, I judge the students' character on that. I hope a student who doesn't recite the pledge or is rude doesn't ever dare to ask me for a recommendation for something someday.

Yay for teachers. :disgust:

 

[virtuamike]

Originally posted by: Vertimus
I somehow remembered that I got saturday school in 5th grade for that. It wasn't that long ago, just 3-4 years.

So, can the school force me to say the pledge or allegiance or not?

You're young. You haven't seen the world. If you looked back 5 years at all the stuff you did in the 4th grade, I'm sure you'd come to the conclusion that you were stupid. 5 years from now, you'll look back at all the things you did in the 9th grade and go damn, that was stupid too. That's probably what you'll be thinking if you ever revisit this thread in the future. So instead of debating about the pledge, do something productive. Socialize. Bang some chicks. Stop analyzing everything, there's plenty of time to do that when you're old and senile.

And no, refusing to say the pledge will not get you laid.

 

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: juancferrer
in our school we say the pledge everyday in the classroom. I never stand, and of course i don't say it either. When there's a special function or a meeting, then i stand, but dont' say it

And what's your problem? I don't care if you say it or not, but at least stand up and show some respect for the country that you live in and the people who died protecting your freedom.

I never stood or said it in high school. That doesnt mean I don't respect the country, but merely I don't respect this sudden outburst of "we love our country, so now we will say the pledge because of the events of september 11th." And I asked the administration, "Where was the pledge Sept 10th?" No answer. So bite me. How about you respect my freedom NOT to say it, as I realize people have died for my right to not say it, and I respect yours to stand up and say it, as that is a right you are also granted by those who have died.

 

Originally posted by: MrCodeDude
If you don't want to stay and say the pledge, why are you here in the first place?

Show some respect for your country, a$$hole. We had this guy in 5th grade who would not even stand and I went off on him. When I was called into the principals office and my parents were called in, my dad was defending me. It was fantastic

Wow, you are an ass. This whole "love this country or get out" thing is out of control. Do you really think this country would be the way it was if some people didnt refuse? What makes this country great is the FREEDOMS we have, including the one that grants me the right NOT to stand, NOT to say the pledge, and perhaps even, BURN the flag. If you do not want to give others these right, perhaps it is you who should think of moving.

 

Originally posted by: DrPizza
I make the students in my homeroom stand, but I couldn't care one way or the other if they actually say the pledge. However, I judge the students' character on that. I hope a student who doesn't recite the pledge or is rude doesn't ever dare to ask me for a recommendation for something someday.

So you punish kids for knowing their rights, even if in a limited extent? Wow, congrats on being a douchbag.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: MrCodeDude
If you don't want to stay and say the pledge, why are you here in the first place?

Show some respect for your country, a$$hole. We had this guy in 5th grade who would not even stand and I went off on him. When I was called into the principals office and my parents were called in, my dad was defending me. It was fantastic

Wow, you are an ass. This whole "love this country or get out" thing is out of control. Do you really think this country would be the way it was if some people didnt refuse? What makes this country great is the FREEDOMS we have, including the one that grants me the right NOT to stand, NOT to say the pledge, and perhaps even, BURN the flag. If you do not want to give others these right, perhaps it is you who should think of moving.

I don't think the government should stop people from burning the flag. That's freedom of speech. But that guy burning the flag had better be ready to die, or take one helluva beating for doing so.