Is it illegal to refuse the pledge in public schools?

[MAME]

people should NOT have to acknowledge the pledge in any way. stay seated and flip off the flag if they want

 

[0roo0roo]

forcing kids to recite a pledge smacks more of communism or facism then democracy. esp when the pledge has been altered from its original intent into a proclamation of faith.

its not illegal to refuse, its more like your duty as as a citizen that understands the ideals of the founders. jefferson would not approve.

most of us didn't really say it anyways, mouth open....mouth close...mouth open.. mouth close... "i pledge alliegence to the flag and blah blah blah blah for richardstands..blah blah blah blah..

mostly thinking,...goddamnit its 7 in the morning, i want to sleep...

 

[BadNewsBears]

Originally posted by: juancferrer
in our school we say the pledge everyday in the classroom. I never stand, and of course i don't say it either. When there's a special function or a meeting, then i stand, but dont' say it

Then leave. Now. Or just stand up. You don't even have to say it.

Actually now that I think about he must have done it for the flamebait factor.

 

[Red Dawn]

I pledge allegance to the flag
of the United States of America.
And to the republic, for which it stands,
One nation, indivisible
with liberty and justice for all.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I pledge allegance to the flag
of the United States of America.
And to the republic, for which it stands,
One nation, indivisible
with liberty and justice for all.

*slowly starts to clap*

 

[DJFuji]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: juancferrer
in our school we say the pledge everyday in the classroom. I never stand, and of course i don't say it either. When there's a special function or a meeting, then i stand, but dont' say it

And what's your problem? I don't care if you say it or not, but at least stand up and show some respect for the country that you live in and the people who died protecting your freedom.

Damn straight, brother. In the Marine Corps, we often have ceremonies in which the chaplian says a prayer. I'm not religious at all, but you're god damned right i stand up and bow my head slightly, because it's out of respect.

I'm not saying we should be legally made to stand or say the pledge. But show a little respect.

Too many hippie parents from the Vietnam era these days...

 

[BigJ]

In my school, students do not have to recite the pledge, nor stand up. But usually the kids who don't stand up are extremely disrespectful and talk during the recitation, and I'd prefer if they went out in the halls during that time.

My $0.02

 

[BAMAVOO]

If you little wanna be hardcore against the man types, would just have respect and treat others better. We wouldn't have to kick all your arses. This type stuff starts at home and has to be blamed on the parents. You should never have to question standing nor saying the pledge. All you stupid kids care about is, "Look at me, I am a badass, I didn't stand or say the pledge/" "Mommy, mommy, the bad man looked at me wrong, let's sue!"

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO
If you little wanna be hardcore against the man types, would just have respect and treat others better. We wouldn't have to kick all your arses. This type stuff starts at home and has to be blamed on the parents. You should never have to question standing nor saying the pledge. All you stupid kids care about is, "Look at me, I am a badass, I didn't stand or say the pledge/" "Mommy, mommy, the bad man looked at me wrong, let's sue!"

Expect a letter from my lawyer reguarding this post. Er... from my mother's lawyer.

 

[Saulbadguy]

I stand out of respect of the instutition of where i'm at, but usually for the national anthem (i'm not in too many places where they do the pledge). I don't sing along, I don't cover my heart. I've learned to take my hat off though, otherwise the dumb hicks surrounding me get angered. Flame away, nationalists

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
I stand out of respect of the instutition of where i'm at, but usually for the national anthem (i'm not in too many places where they do the pledge). I don't sing along, I don't cover my heart. I've learned to take my hat off though, otherwise the dumb hicks surrounding me get angered. Flame away, nationalists

Bwahahaha....

Your post made me laugh for some reason. Probably the hicks part.

 

[TMPadmin]

The problem these days is nobody has any respect for anybody else or anything. Many people go through life believing strongly in something they don't know the first thing about. I saw your reasons why you don't want to say the pledge and they have nothing to do with the reason we say the pledge, right there you are showing your ignorance to the entire issue.

So many people do things like this but when it comes to getting something from the country they are absolutely entitled to whatever it is they want. I see a lot of liberal sway here lately and it doesn't surprise me, too many of the new generation want things and don't want to do anything to earn what they get.

Your small protest against the flag (pledge) is actually a protest against this country. I'm not saying to lie down and accept everything the government does, that's not what made this country great. But saying the pledge is a small gesture showing you actually believe in this country -not the government, this country!

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Vertimus

Originally posted by: amdfanboy
All I am going to say is the thing about flag burning. When you no longer can burn the flag, maybe you should.

So, just because I don't say the pledge means I burn flags?

No, just because you don't say the pledge you don't understand analogies.

--

I have never sung O Canada during our school stuff but most of the reason for that is because _it's a very bad song_. It's goofier than a drunk clown.

 

[vood0g]

Originally posted by: TMPadmin
The problem these days is nobody has any respect for anybody else or anything. Many people go through life believing strongly in something they don't know the first thing about. I saw your reasons why you don't want to say the pledge and they have nothing to do with the reason we say the pledge, right there you are showing your ignorance to the entire issue.

So many people do things like this but when it comes to getting something from the country they are absolutely entitled to whatever it is they want. I see a lot of liberal sway here lately and it doesn't surprise me, too many of the new generation want things and don't want to do anything to earn what they get.

Your small protest against the flag (pledge) is actually a protest against this country. I'm not saying to lie down and accept everything the government does, that's not what made this country great. But saying the pledge is a small gesture showing you actually believe in this country -not the government, this country!

agreed. i am buddhist (somewhat), but i still stand and bow my head when someone says a prayer to god. i do it out of respect to other people's religion. saying the pledge is just showing respect to the country you live in. to me it is like shaking someone's hand when they extend their hand to you. you dont have to shake it, but it will be rude if you dont.

i do not see the pain and suffering that standing and saying the 10 sec pledge can cause.

 

[jyates]

Originally posted by: DJFuji

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: juancferrer
in our school we say the pledge everyday in the classroom. I never stand, and of course i don't say it either. When there's a special function or a meeting, then i stand, but dont' say it

And what's your problem? I don't care if you say it or not, but at least stand up and show some respect for the country that you live in and the people who died protecting your freedom.

Damn straight, brother. In the Marine Corps, we often have ceremonies in which the chaplian says a prayer. I'm not religious at all, but you're god damned right i stand up and bow my head slightly, because it's out of respect.

I'm not saying we should be legally made to stand or say the pledge. But show a little respect.

Too many hippie parents from the Vietnam era these days...

I agree with you.

We have lots of freedoms.......even the freedom to be disprectful.

Even if you have the freedom to be disprectful should you be?

 

[Red Dawn]

Whyb should an American have to pledge Allegence to his country more than once in his lifetime? Is it to reaffirm his allegence to the country for others to hear? Say it once why say it again. Is it just to be polite, respectful or is it a exercise in redundancy. I know when I said it I meant it. I don't feel the need to reaffirm my patriotism for the sake of others.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: MrCodeDude

Originally posted by: dolph
most people here get it, but there are a few that don't. let me spell it out very clearly so everyone understands:

you know the "liberty and justice for all" part? specifically the "liberty" line? well, that means they have the LIBERTY to NOT recite the pledge or even stand up. it is fully within their rights, and to punish anyone for exercising that right is far worse than burning the flag.

But they are not acknowledging that liberty by not standing.

Read your democratic philosophy. You can not give up your natural rights because they are just that: natural. Whether or not you acknowledge them, you possess them.

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: TMPadmin
The problem these days is nobody has any respect for anybody else or anything. Many people go through life believing strongly in something they don't know the first thing about. I saw your reasons why you don't want to say the pledge and they have nothing to do with the reason we say the pledge, right there you are showing your ignorance to the entire issue.

So many people do things like this but when it comes to getting something from the country they are absolutely entitled to whatever it is they want. I see a lot of liberal sway here lately and it doesn't surprise me, too many of the new generation want things and don't want to do anything to earn what they get.

Your small protest against the flag (pledge) is actually a protest against this country. I'm not saying to lie down and accept everything the government does, that's not what made this country great. But saying the pledge is a small gesture showing you actually believe in this country -not the government, this country!

So, what if you don't believe in this country?

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Whyb should an American have to pledge Allegence to his country more than once in his lifetime? Is it to reaffirm his allegence to the country for others to hear? Say it once why say it again. Is it just to be polite, respectful or is it a exercise in redundancy. I know when I said it I meant it. I don't feel the need to reaffirm my patriotism for the sake of others.

Good question. I'd guess it's so that those around you can find out who's not "one of the group", and make sure that everybody is a good little nationalist.

 

[TMPadmin]

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: TMPadmin
The problem these days is nobody has any respect for anybody else or anything. Many people go through life believing strongly in something they don't know the first thing about. I saw your reasons why you don't want to say the pledge and they have nothing to do with the reason we say the pledge, right there you are showing your ignorance to the entire issue.

So many people do things like this but when it comes to getting something from the country they are absolutely entitled to whatever it is they want. I see a lot of liberal sway here lately and it doesn't surprise me, too many of the new generation want things and don't want to do anything to earn what they get.

Your small protest against the flag (pledge) is actually a protest against this country. I'm not saying to lie down and accept everything the government does, that's not what made this country great. But saying the pledge is a small gesture showing you actually believe in this country -not the government, this country!

So, what if you don't believe in this country?

If you don't believe in this country maybe you should try to change the things you don't like. Identify what it is about the country and do something about it. Within reason, I'm sure if it is for the betterment of the country it will be embraced by many -but will also be rejected by many. Look at everything that happened in recent history. Don't tell me that you can't change the country if your idea are just, honorable and for the overall good of the country.

 

[jyates]

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: TMPadmin
The problem these days is nobody has any respect for anybody else or anything. Many people go through life believing strongly in something they don't know the first thing about. I saw your reasons why you don't want to say the pledge and they have nothing to do with the reason we say the pledge, right there you are showing your ignorance to the entire issue.

So many people do things like this but when it comes to getting something from the country they are absolutely entitled to whatever it is they want. I see a lot of liberal sway here lately and it doesn't surprise me, too many of the new generation want things and don't want to do anything to earn what they get.

Your small protest against the flag (pledge) is actually a protest against this country. I'm not saying to lie down and accept everything the government does, that's not what made this country great. But saying the pledge is a small gesture showing you actually believe in this country -not the government, this country!

So, what if you don't believe in this country?

Go and find one you do believe in

 

[Red Dawn]

So what's the point of saying the Pledge over and over again?

 

[TMPadmin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
So what's the point of saying the Pledge over and over again?

Standing together with your fellow countrymen and reaffirming your allegiance, to stand together in hard times, in good time, to stick together no matter what. Showing your respect for those around you as another American and realizing that being so makes a brotherhood between you. True you do not need to do this to feel this way but think of it as a battle song sung by warriors in the pub before the battle. We battle everyday; we fight to just make it through life. Some easier than others, some just barely make it. But we are united together to help each other out in times of need. To expect to be helped when we need the help. It's not about policy or party affiliation it?s about us. We as Americans need to realize that this country was founded for the people by the people. Remember those words from history class? What has happened to America lately? We are in hard times, now is not the time to divide and battle among each other, now is the time where we should be supporting each other. Maybe the only way to do that is to stand next to the guy or girl next to you in class or at a baseball game and pledge or sing the National Anthem. But it's showing your respect and appreciation for your neighbors and letting them know you will be there in a time of need. And they are doing the same for you.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
So what's the point of saying the Pledge over and over again?

There is none expect for the fringe group that follows in the lines of old times when all the anti-communist groups thought if you keep saying it you won?t be a communist. :roll:

Of course the pledge is not even the REAL pledge. Christian groups changed it to fit THEIR ways and force them upon others. Now if they had the TRUE pledge then I would have less negative feeling toward it, but the current one is nothing more then a political/religious sham at best.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: TMPadmin
The problem these days is nobody has any respect for anybody else or anything. Many people go through life believing strongly in something they don't know the first thing about. I saw your reasons why you don't want to say the pledge and they have nothing to do with the reason we say the pledge, right there you are showing your ignorance to the entire issue.

So many people do things like this but when it comes to getting something from the country they are absolutely entitled to whatever it is they want. I see a lot of liberal sway here lately and it doesn't surprise me, too many of the new generation want things and don't want to do anything to earn what they get.

Your small protest against the flag (pledge) is actually a protest against this country. I'm not saying to lie down and accept everything the government does, that's not what made this country great. But saying the pledge is a small gesture showing you actually believe in this country -not the government, this country!

So, what if you don't believe in this country?

Viva La Revolution!